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I'm curious. 02:21:45 Aethaeryn: do you want the first use of nil, or just a random example? Because it is everywhere 02:22:01 just a random example 02:22:16 I want to see if the print version also has that 02:22:26 yes 02:22:41 Aethaeryn: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-15.html#%_sec_2.2.1 02:22:49 I just opened up to a random page (115) and it had it 02:23:38 To be fair, the first use has this footnote: 02:23:39 It's remarkable how much energy in the standardization of Lisp dialects has been dissipated in arguments that are literally over nothing: Should nil be an ordinary name? Should the value of nil be a symbol? Should it be a list? Should it be a pair? In Scheme, nil is an ordinary name, which we use in this section as a variable whose value is the end-of-list marker (just as true is an ordinary variable that has a true value). Other dialects of Lisp, includ 02:23:51 (not sure if that message got cut off 02:24:00 "Other dialects of Lisp, includ" 02:24:07 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-156-94.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:24:31 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 02:25:02 ing Common Lisp, treat nil as a special symbol. The authors of this book, who have endured too many language standardization brawls, would like to avoid the entire issue. Once we have introduced quotation in section 2.3, we will denote the empty list as '() and dispense with the variable nil entirely. 02:26:20 harhar 02:26:22 nerds 02:26:28 mmalorni [~mmalorni@modemcable162.45-59-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 02:26:52 So basically... 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2)))) (hash-table-ref instructions 'movzx)) => ;Value 1347: (#f #f) 22:45:36 Riastradh: x86_64 22:46:56 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-4-146.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 22:47:56 Well, that should be easy to fix. 22:48:06 ...and that's a trifle embarrassing. 22:49:44 tell me more 22:50:19 But right now I'm worried about the leap second that's going to happen in just over an hour! 22:50:24 Got any exciting experiments planned for it? 22:51:43 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-4-146.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:52:19 1 second more or less..who cares? 22:53:28 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 22:53:28 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:53:29 jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has joined #scheme 22:57:46 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-4-146.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 22:59:19 phao [phao@187.117.233.60] has joined #scheme 23:01:35 -!- soegaard [~soegaard@188.183.250.62] has quit [Quit: soegaard] 23:01:43 i'm sorry if i'm asking too stupid questions 23:01:53 but i'm trying hard and it's not easy to understand the docs 23:01:57 anyway 23:02:39 how to, within the semantics of syntax-case, determine which identifier is equal to which? 23:02:56 as in, bound syntax identifiers 23:02:57 That's a difficult question, not a stupid question! 23:03:01 i think i have a solution 23:03:14 let me think about it one time more 23:03:33 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:04:56 walk over the syntax-form, replacing all identifiers in the template with the content of the bound variable 23:05:29 but still, something is missing 23:05:55 is it necessary to attach a lexical context to a syntax object? 23:06:14 such as, a list of bindings with their unique identifiers? 23:06:18 maybe this is the solution? 23:07:27 or, i could walk over the returned expression, treating the binding (lambda (foo ...) bar baz ...) specially 23:08:27 but then, i have to know whether 'lambda' is 'that' lambda, not something that was bound lexically to the name 23:09:59 How would I take a list of symbols e.g. (list 'a 'b) and a body expression (could be anything) and transform that into (lambda (a b) body) keeping in mind that the list could have any number of symbols. 23:10:12 I'm not sure how to do this with macros. 23:10:18 I'm using Racket btw. 23:10:50 Nisstyre, macros work at compile-time, you can't do that at runtime 23:11:03 weirdo: makes sense 23:11:23 unless you want to compile a form using `eval' 23:11:27 weirdo: that being the case, I have an AST (made up of nested structs) 23:11:34 and I want to evaluate that in the most efficient way 23:11:42 eval seems like the solution 23:11:42 such that I can store something to be evaluated quickly later 23:11:56 bigfg [~b_fin_g@r186-48-223-225.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 23:12:22 weirdo: I'm implementing a small language for fun 23:12:40 i'm implementing scheme for fun 23:12:50 if you want perf, definitely compile lambdas 23:13:32 well, I could do that with Racket 23:13:42 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-4-146.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:15:05 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-wloxjszzmcpyhrug] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:17:09 weirdo: Ideally I just want to have a syntax object I can serialize 23:17:28 hmm 23:17:30 instead of tokenizing, parsing, and evaluating every time I want to run something 23:17:37 (oh and type checking) 23:17:38 you can serialize stuff that doesn't contain lambdas 23:17:42 since they're opaque 23:17:45 I'm implementing a hindley-milner type system as well 23:17:49 i see 23:17:56 weirdo: fair enough 23:18:15 I could serialize the parsed and type checked tree 23:19:51 weirdo: seems like our problems are somewhat similar 23:20:18 'somewhat' is relative :) 23:20:33 mine is with the implementation of the r6rs hygiene system 23:20:33 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-4-146.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 23:20:50 heh 23:20:59 I've been reading up on creating hygienic macros 23:21:05 seems like a hard problem to solve 23:21:22 doable 23:21:33 everything's that worthwhile is hard 23:21:41 well Racket makes them lexically scoped, so yeah 23:22:19 #lang racket? 23:22:29 yes 23:24:49 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-4-146.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:27:51 -!- mejja [~user@c-b1b0e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 23:30:38 -!- Suthe [~Suthe@99.Red-79-156-38.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Suthe] 23:40:17 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-4-146.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 23:40:35 weirdo, i've compiled 5.3.0.13 from git, and basic things seems to work. what's not working for you? 23:41:08 jao, ,enter 23:41:14 in r5rs mode 23:41:26 did that ever work? 23:41:34 it complains about proc-id.1 not being bound 23:41:35 yes 23:41:38 it did in 5.2.1 23:41:42 ok 23:42:04 i asked racket hackers first, but they said they need a simple test case in order to fix it 23:42:24 and "run geiser and see it break" apparently ain't one 23:42:30 and what do you exactly mean by "in r5rs mode"? that the module you're entering is #lang r5rs? 23:42:43 yes 23:44:56 ok... geiser uses its own version of enter.rkt, so it's probably geiser's fault 23:45:32 i grepped for proc-id and there were none 23:45:37 in geiser, that is 23:45:48 yes, i'm seeing the error now 23:46:09 it's inside r5rs/main.rkt, so i might be wrong 23:47:26 but using racket's enter! in a vanilla REPL works fine, so it must be something with geiser 23:48:51 thank you for taking care of it 23:50:26 Riastradh, what if each let-form created an integer assigned to the identifier and each occurence of it? 23:50:49 Leap second in ten minutes! 23:50:58 ooh 23:51:08 if I look to the horizon, will I see a green flash? 23:51:20 and each free identifier had #f intead of the integer 23:51:22 it's the end of the world, I tells ya 23:51:46 would that be the solution to the hygiene question? :) 23:53:27 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-28-174.dynamic.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:58:01 T minus two minutes!