00:01:12 replore_ [~replore@FL1-125-198-49-191.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 00:07:16 steampunkey [4e86862d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.134.134.45] has joined #scheme 00:08:11 (eq? "smth" (symbol->string (car '(smth)))) ;; why does this return #f? 00:08:53 kvda [~kvda@124-171-28-218.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 00:08:53 steampunkey: Because they are not "the same". 00:08:55 strings aren't required to be interned 00:09:19 interned? 00:09:28 didi: how do i compare strings then? 00:09:35 equal? 00:09:53 o.O there's a difference? 00:09:57 yes 00:10:03 steampunkey: Yes. :) 00:10:07 -_- 00:10:13 bfig [~b_fin_g@r190-135-74-144.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 00:10:18 obviously there is, my implied question was what? 00:10:22 steampunkey: Philosophical, even. ;^) 00:10:42 alas, thx for the alternative 00:10:48 steampunkey: similarly (eq? (cons 'foo 'bar) (cons 'foo 'bar)) is #f 00:11:05 -!- replore_ [~replore@FL1-125-198-49-191.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:11:11 steampunkey: There is also `string=?', but I don't know if it is from Scheme or my implementation. 00:11:32 but "there is" :-) 00:11:53 steampunkey: But (define x (cons 'foo 'bar)) (eq? x x) => #t 00:12:14 steampunkey: eqv? means "is the same object", equal? means "they might be different objects, but they are equal" 00:12:21 eq? is like eqv? but more specific 00:12:46 eqv? implies equal?, but the converse is not true 00:13:37 kthx 00:14:44 -!- jrslepak_neu [~jrslepak@punchout.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:16:14 can i get the first n chars of a string as a new string? 00:16:58 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:17:16 or even first word (everything until the first whitespace)? 00:17:19 jrslepak_neu [~jrslepak@punchout.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 00:17:24 steampunkey: Some implementations have functions like `string->list'. 00:18:09 string-take is in srfi 13, but how to import that is implementation dependant 00:18:19 surely there's a more convenient way to work with strings? 00:18:39 didi: I'd like to think all implementations have that, but it's part of the scheme standard, so that's probably wishful thinking 00:18:41 steampunkey: You'll be happier with lists and symbols. ;) 00:18:57 ijp: Nice. 00:19:32 didi: can i load a file so as that i get (quote ) ? 00:20:02 that's actually (quote ()) 00:20:10 steampunkey: Some type of `read'? I don't know. 00:20:31 so, just like someone put '( at the beginning of the file, and ) at the end 00:20:54 Jayrays [~parabola@unaffiliated/jayrays] has joined #scheme 00:21:12 steampunkey: Well, my limit understanding of scheme is starting to show. 00:21:37 s/limit/limited 00:22:26 *trollface* 00:23:22 jkjk 00:26:11 anyone? "a string" => '(a string) plz? 00:27:18 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-16-10.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 00:28:24 writing a mini-parser? 00:28:51 tomobrien [~tomobrien@host-92-2-68-225.as43234.net] has joined #scheme 00:29:09 FareTower: you got me. 00:30:36 steampunkey: in guile (map string->symbol (string-split "a string" #\space)) 00:32:48 didi: nice 00:32:54 thanks 00:33:07 steampunkey: :^) 00:33:20 -!- tomobrien [~tomobrien@host-92-2-68-225.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:41:09 tuubow [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:41:43 -!- woonie13 [~woonie@124.109.163.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:42:46 didi: until you write "a string" ==> (a || string) 00:45:45 FareTower: That's a bummer. 00:47:39 -!- jasox [~user@178.239.26.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:47:43 i don't see that 00:47:57 (filter (lambda (x) (> (string-length x) 0)) (map string->symbol (string-split "a string"))) 00:48:18 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I say we dispatch agent cluck to the scene. 03:22:52 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:23:51 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-160-140.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:24:18 rudybot: I don't see any problem which could be resolved by sending in cluck. 03:24:19 ijp: I like both types of bindings... I use vimium in chrome to navigate pages, like emacs bindings... I resolved early on to get into both types because I can't ignore either... especially when I am hopping onto servers with vi baked into them into which I can't install eclipse. 03:30:44 rudybot: i guess it's the label emac which offends you 03:30:44 qU1j0t3: interesting question: if you are in freedomjebusland, but not in arizona, and offends someone in "the zone" (as I shall now call it), have you crossed state lines while committing an offence? 03:31:09 rudybot: hypodermically? 03:31:09 qU1j0t3: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 03:31:20 rudybot: googlewhack? 03:31:21 qU1j0t3: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 03:31:28 rudybot: rudy whack. 03:31:32 qU1j0t3: you whack yourself on the head with the Emacs info book 03:33:44 drrckln [~drrckln@ool-ad03a5e7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 03:34:11 -!- Jayrays [~parabola@unaffiliated/jayrays] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:35:41 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has left #scheme 03:45:34 -!- tuubow [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:49:43 -!- kvda [~kvda@124-171-28-218.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 03:51:19 tessier [~treed@216.105.40.125] has joined #scheme 03:51:20 -!- tessier [~treed@216.105.40.125] has quit [Changing host] 03:51:20 tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has joined #scheme 03:53:38 homie`` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-155-252.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:55:21 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-160-140.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:55:38 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-160-140.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:02:07 kvda [~kvda@124-171-28-218.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 04:06:34 faroel [~faroel@39.210.17.54] has joined #scheme 04:08:16 rudybot: please define the word "quixotic" 04:08:16 *offby1: um, no, that's quixotic that's pronounced like quicksort 04:09:13 rudybot: ignore my learned friend. 04:09:14 qU1j0t3: I figured out a secret when I learned Forth. 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The only lesson I learned from Forth is that I don't like Forth. 14:58:07 ijp: mtucker, I give up. You need a lesson in creative writing... 14:58:15 :( 15:03:11 rudybot: you don't have to be so jolly blunt. 15:03:12 qU1j0t3: band of jolly rascals 15:07:53 kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has joined #scheme 15:14:13 jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has joined #scheme 15:15:19 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:29:15 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:31:35 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #scheme 15:32:57 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:33:28 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #scheme 15:33:52 -!- pjb is now known as Guest34522 15:34:26 -!- Guest34522 is now known as pjb 15:48:38 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:49:10 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:53:06 -!- DGASAU [~user@91.218.144.129] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:53:28 DGASAU [~user@91.218.144.129] has joined #scheme 15:53:35 -!- woonie13 [~woonie@124.109.163.3] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 15:55:14 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-146-201.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 15:57:03 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-155-252.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:57:09 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-155-252.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:06:06 -!- RITRedbeard [~RITReadbe@c-68-37-165-37.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:12 RITRedbeard [~RITReadbe@c-68-37-165-37.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:11:52 -!- githogori [~githogori@c-50-131-15-16.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:12:53 mucker [~mucker@183.83.227.117] has joined #scheme 16:16:08 -!- RITRedbeard [~RITReadbe@c-68-37-165-37.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:12 RITRedbeard [~RITReadbe@c-68-37-165-37.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:17:10 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 16:21:21 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-146-201.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:21:53 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-146-201.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:21:53 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91.119.75.149] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:24:42 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-146-201.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:25:43 -!- jonathansizz [~ian@128.249.96.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:26:07 -!- RITRedbeard [~RITReadbe@c-68-37-165-37.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:26:12 RITRedbeard [~RITReadbe@c-68-37-165-37.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:26:17 -!- hash_table [~quassel@128.249.96.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:26:17 -!- getpwnam [~ian@128.249.96.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:30:19 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-146-201.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:30 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-146-201.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:33:45 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-146-201.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:33:51 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:33:52 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has left #scheme 16:35:00 rudybot: seen jcowan 16:35:00 *offby1: jcowan was seen in #scheme two days ago, saying "Indeed. We will be soliciting new blood^Wmembers for WG2", and then jcowan was seen leaving the channel in #scheme two days ago, saying ""Leaving"" 16:36:07 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-146-201.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:36:07 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-146-201.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36:58 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-146-201.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 16:37:24 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-146-201.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:37:30 rudybot: omit needless words 16:37:32 qU1j0t3: As I said earlier, after pretty careful study of gitology, I am fairly certain that git's lack of anonymous branches cascades into a bunch of needless complication. The following concepts could be excised from gitology if git allowed anonymous branches: bare repos, the need to merge when you pull, detached HEADs, branches not really being branches but being refs, tracking branches, asymmetrical push and pull operati 16:37:33 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-146-201.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:40:27 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-146-201.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 16:40:41 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-146-201.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 16:45:03 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-146-201.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:46:02 Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-16-175.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #scheme 16:47:38 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-146-201.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:51:08 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:51:11 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 16:51:47 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 16:53:22 tuubow 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