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Is there a common way of interpreting it, or could my lecturer just be using strange terminology?:-) 08:22:55 -!- kvda [~kvda@202.58.240.18] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:22:59 -!- surrounder [~surrounde@d130031.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:23:17 surrounder_ [~surrounde@d130031.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 08:24:28 never mind, finally figured it out.. Isn't it always like that when you ask a question?:-) 08:28:23 -!- albert-sicp [~albert-si@71.156.36.143] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:31:24 EbiDK [~ebi@3e6b71f5.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #scheme 08:31:51 -!- surrounder_ is now known as surrounder 08:35:07 -!- phao [phao@187.1.192.100] has left #scheme 08:38:52 -!- EbiDK [~ebi@3e6b71f5.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 08:48:04 i1126 [~i1126@85.88.17.198] has joined #scheme 08:51:36 gejr: Do tell. 08:52:16 -!- tomobrien [~tomobrien@host-92-2-68-225.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:59:55 dzhus [~dzhus@95-28-239-49.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 09:00:04 -!- dzhus [~dzhus@95-28-239-49.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:12 I thought I coined a couple neologisms tonight; "pararational," namely, and "discordingly." 09:00:32 Turns out I was scooped, of course; goddammit. 09:00:44 dzhus [~dzhus@95-28-239-49.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 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one explicit 10:15:30 i wasnt familiar with the terminology 10:18:14 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-185-131.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:19:32 -!- surrounder_ [~surrounde@d130031.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:20:18 surrounder [~surrounde@d130031.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 10:22:08 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-138-50.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:35:09 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 10:41:33 gejr: What a bizarre choice of words. 10:41:44 :) 11:03:37 -!- dzhus [~dzhus@95-28-239-49.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06:05 -!- surrounder [~surrounde@d130031.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:06:48 surrounder_ [~surrounde@d130031.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 11:08:38 -!- antithesis [~antithesi@s51476e07.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: antithesis] 11:09:24 -!- Urchin 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equallity test operators? I can understand the idea behind equal? vs eq?/eqv?, but why the eq? vs eqv? distinction? 13:46:22 Since numbers are immutable, I can't see it ever being interesting whether (/ 6 2) is 3 or not.. 13:46:35 Surely, it is always 3.. regardless of whether it's really 3 or 6/2 13:46:44 Or 3/1 or whatever 13:47:26 -!- surrounder_ [~surrounde@d130031.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:48:31 surrounder [~surrounde@d130031.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 13:54:22 LeoNerd: eq? is faster, whereas eqv? is more 'correct' 13:55:15 OK... but then when would you ever use eq? if you cared about it possibly being wrong? 13:55:45 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.15.231] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:58:19 LeoNerd: if you know that you're not dealing with numbers 13:58:37 or you are ok with a conservative approximation (as with caching) 13:58:53 or you're using the value as a generative tag 13:59:30 -!- joast [~rick@98.145.85.206] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:00:34 But if you're not dealing with numbers, eq? and eqv? behave the same, no? They only differ on numbers anyway 14:00:50 -!- arbn [~arbn@68-112-50-76.static.hlrg.nc.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01:39 arbn [~arbn@68-112-50-76.static.hlrg.nc.charter.com] has joined #scheme 14:04:47 LeoNerd: also on characters 14:07:44 -!- surrounder [~surrounde@d130031.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:07:57 masm [~masm@bl18-43-11.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 14:08:23 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-60-2.gmavt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:08:32 surrounder [~surrounde@d130031.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 14:09:13 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:11:35 jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-148-123.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 14:11:49 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 14:12:30 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-193-238.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 14:14:21 -!- mvuets [~mvuets@95.154.250.228] has quit [Quit: 73!] 14:16:59 -!- MichaelRaskin 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18:25:32 surrounder [~surrounde@d130031.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 18:27:21 hello all 18:27:39 anyone knows where can i take r7rs draft sources (latex) ? 18:29:30 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-148-123.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:39:15 will this do: trac.sacrideo.us/wg/attachment/wiki/WikiStart/r7rs-draft-1.pdf ? 18:42:43 yywi: nope, its pdf. i searching for source of this pdf. latex or any other plain text document 18:42:52 ideally tracked by vcs 18:43:15 just like w3c specs developed in svn... 18:44:01 ah ok 18:44:31 nothing like this? 18:44:43 i found track but no repository 18:45:03 is r7rs developed in wiki pages? 18:45:26 jewel [~jewel@196-215-114-57.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 18:45:55 antono: I don't think the sources are public. 18:46:17 You may need to ask jcowan, foof or arcfide. 18:46:46 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-189-113.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 18:48:16 -!- yywi 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The WG would have to decide about that. I'm not opposed myself (probably a hg-based site, since we use a private hg server right now). 23:25:11 *ijp* chases after jcowan on a giant spider 23:25:24 *jcowan* whips out Sting and scares the spider away. 23:25:52 jcowan: is there any real obstacles for this? (public doc i mean) 23:25:58 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:26:12 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:26:55 Technical obstacles, no. However, currently editors commit things before they are verified, though everything is verified by another editor before it sees daylight. We may wish to keep to that protocol. 23:27:18 Certainly the draft will be published in LaTeX form as well as various final forms (PDF, HTML, etc.) 23:29:56 jcowan: so is there public source for draft #6 of r7rs small? 23:30:39 -!- phao [phao@177.27.1.12] has quit [Quit: Not Here] 23:32:01 -!- arbn [~arbn@68-112-50-76.static.hlrg.nc.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:32:51 At present, no. If you convince me you have a solid need for it, I'll send it to you by email, but obviously that doesn't scale. 23:33:17 However, if you follow the tickets feed, you'll only miss minor editorial changes. 23:33:24 jcowan: i just wanted to format it for my kindle :) 23:33:44 You could turn it on its side and read the PDF. 23:34:40 yep, doing so. but this way i cannot control font size :( 23:36:31 arbn [~arbn@68-112-50-76.static.hlrg.nc.charter.com] has joined #scheme 23:38:13 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD60048.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:41:38 Zeedox [DanDan@h-140-21.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #scheme 23:43:37 True. 23:46:04 -!- robolobster54 [~robolobst@77.241.58.140] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46:26 robolobster54 [~robolobst@77.241.58.140] has joined #scheme