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02:23:34 homie`` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-163-152.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 02:25:06 qu1j0t3: yes, optimally 02:28:50 -!- mmc [~michal@178-85-63-71.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:31:04 didi [~user@177.64.28.98] has joined #scheme 02:50:44 -!- xwl [~user@123.108.223.115] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:57:17 "eval" 02:57:28 although serious schemers sniff when spoken to of "eval" 02:57:42 rudybot: (define wozzit (eval "+")) 02:57:42 *offby1: Done. 02:57:48 rudybot: (wozzit 2 3 ) 02:57:48 *offby1: error: procedure application: expected procedure, given: "+"; arguments were: 2 3 02:57:51 heh 02:57:53 hmm 02:57:55 :) 02:58:05 honestly don't know why that didn't work. 02:58:11 rudybot: wozzit 02:58:11 *offby1: ; Value: "+" 02:58:16 a string? 02:58:17 hmm 02:58:23 #;1> (eval (string->symbol "+")) 02:58:25 # 02:58:40 I thought "eval" took strings, not symbols 02:58:44 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:58:47 rudybot: (eval '+) 02:58:48 *offby1: ; Value: # 02:58:52 #;2> (eval '(+ 3 4)) 02:58:52 *offby1* rubs chin 02:58:54 7 02:59:11 rudybot: (eval (with-input-from-string "+" read)) 02:59:11 *offby1: ; Value: # 02:59:28 but i wouldn't recommend this approach crdueck unless it really is necessary 02:59:32 rudybot: (define wozzit (eval (with-input-from-string "+" read))) 02:59:33 *offby1: Done. 02:59:36 rudybot: (wozzit 2 3) 02:59:36 *offby1: ; Value: 5 02:59:45 seasoned schemers sniff. 02:59:52 i'm not a seasoned schemer but i sniff 03:00:06 i pettifog and quibble 03:00:15 I prevaricate myself 03:00:21 pleased to meet you 03:00:26 i equivocate 03:01:03 divagate and waver. 03:01:51 I've done some dithering in my time. 03:06:50 i've knelt at the floyd-steinberg altar myself. 03:07:25 but now, looking back, my errors seem diffused and distant 03:07:39 hovering spots on an endless plain 03:08:16 my, this acid really is the good kind! klutometis! thank your man for me. 03:11:43 I remember that time you took the bad kind. Have you gotten those esophageal stitches removed yet? 03:12:12 *qu1j0t3* gulps 03:14:19 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.185] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:24:27 ThePawnBreak121 [Cristi@94.177.108.25] has joined #scheme 03:26:34 -!- Myk267 [~myk@adsl-71-149-249-146.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:26:49 Myk267 [~myk@adsl-71-149-249-146.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:31:58 -!- MontgoDB [~mmontgome@cpe-66-69-6-73.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:32:35 MontgoDB [~mmontgome@cpe-66-69-6-73.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:36:44 -!- homie`` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-163-152.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:38:19 homie`` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-163-152.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:38:55 -!- homie`` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-163-152.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:59:32 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-233.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:03:45 -!- CampinSam [~Sam@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:05:18 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@ip70-162-88-143.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #scheme 04:05:19 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@ip70-162-88-143.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:05:19 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 04:13:18 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 04:14:02 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 04:18:39 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-244.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:25:16 -!- Myk267 [~myk@adsl-71-149-249-146.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Myk267] 04:29:29 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-244.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:29:37 Myk267 [~myk@adsl-71-149-249-146.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 04:29:59 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-244.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:31:25 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-244.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:32:29 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-244.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:32:45 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-163-152.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 04:36:08 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.112.96.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:36:48 samth_away: thanks, I didn't know that - when was it introduced? 04:38:39 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:39:12 rudybot: (not #true) 04:39:12 *offby1: ; Value: #f 04:39:20 rudybot: is that true? 04:39:20 *offby1: well, true enough. 04:39:23 *offby1* nods gravely 04:41:12 foof: Looks like it's been in since October 2010 04:44:12 It was not in 5.0.1 but is in 5.2.1. 04:48:34 -!- didi [~user@177.64.28.98] has left #scheme 04:56:30 Radium [~carbon@117.203.11.184] has joined #scheme 05:01:04 -!- Radium [~carbon@117.203.11.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:01:41 -!- tuubow [~adityavit@c-24-0-148-151.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 05:01:43 tuubow_ [~adityavit@c-24-0-148-151.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:01:48 dino82 [75c49131@gateway/web/freenode/ip.117.196.145.49] has joined #scheme 05:06:12 -!- ec [~me@ell.io] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:17:18 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-167-123.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 05:18:21 rudybot: (not (not #false)) 05:18:22 jhemann__: your sandbox is ready 05:18:22 jhemann__: ; Value: #f 05:29:47 -!- forcer [~forcer@hmbg-5f7622b7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:44:14 answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has joined #scheme 05:44:56 -!- arcfide [~arcfide@c-98-223-204-153.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:54:18 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-244.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 06:07:12 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #scheme 06:25:46 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-51-244.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:35:04 republican_devil [~g@pool-108-13-218-184.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 06:35:45 ok before anyone get excited, my main question is to what extent can you use scheme as a database? and you save everything in an image incremenatlly to disk? 06:36:20 -!- bfig [~b_fin_g@r186-52-164-213.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:36:52 bfig [~b_fin_g@r186-52-129-105.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 06:36:58 leo2007 [~leo@123.114.42.170] has joined #scheme 06:38:23 Athanasius [icxcnika@freenode/weird-exception/network-troll/afterdeath] has joined #scheme 06:45:24 I saw something in gnu scheme but it seemed half baked 06:45:29 maybe it was complete 06:45:35 able to create tables in scheme 06:45:38 and indexes 06:45:53 -!- francisl [~flavoie@bas1-montreal48-1176343411.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 06:52:34 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:07:24 -!- jakky [jokk@2001:470:33:2::1ce] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:11:25 jakky [jokk@2001:470:33:2::1ce] has joined #scheme 07:15:09 keenbug [~daniel@p4FE3B772.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 07:15:25 -!- kudkudyak [~user@94.72.134.92] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:32:00 -!- tuubow_ [~adityavit@c-24-0-148-151.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:36:24 kvda [~kvda@202.159.131.70] has joined #scheme 07:36:39 i want to do something like (let ([a (amb '(1...100))])), how could i do that? is there some way to have amb look over a list of values? 07:38:46 _ruud_ [~ruud@123.125.0.179] has joined #scheme 07:39:01 tuubow_ [~adityavit@c-24-0-148-151.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 07:39:12 crdueck: you mean standard continuation-defined amb? 07:39:23 MichaelRaskin: yes 07:39:38 You have some implementation or want to get one? 07:40:28 crdueck: or you have an implementation and want to understand how it works? 07:41:02 i'm using this implementation: http://planet.plt-scheme.org/display.ss?owner=murphy&package=amb.plt i'm just not sure if its possible to have amb search a list 07:41:16 Isn't it what amb _always_ does? 07:41:46 Ah 07:42:01 I see, it uses multiple arguments 07:42:34 yes, it works with (amb 1 2 3), but i'd like to use it like (amb '(1 2 3)) 07:43:36 (define (amb-list l) (if (> (length l) 0) (amb (car l) (amb-list (cdr l))) (fail))) 07:43:53 I think I am doing something in a non-Scheme-ish way in that line. 07:44:16 (I write Common Lisp for my day job) 07:44:21 But should work 07:46:03 -!- kvda [~kvda@202.159.131.70] has quit [Quit: x__x] 07:46:36 crdueck: does it work? 07:46:47 i'm getting complaints about (fail) 07:46:57 Erm 07:47:08 Let me read amb.ss 07:47:20 unbound modifier, i'm using Racket (PLT Scheme), so it might not have (fail) 07:47:37 I thought fail is defined by amb.ss 07:47:43 To move on to next case 07:47:45 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:48:06 Maybe (amb-fail) 07:48:44 -!- Pepe_ [~ppjet@anderith.bouah.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:49:05 (amb) should be defined to fail 07:49:31 pyro-: good point 07:50:44 both work. i've got it now, thanks MichaelRaskin 07:51:36 (apply amb '(1 2 3)) might be an alternative 07:51:47 pyro-: Applying syntax? 07:52:20 :) not if your amb is syntax 07:52:44 woonie [~woonie@nusnet-214-185.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has joined #scheme 07:52:52 murphy's amb is 07:53:11 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.114.42.170] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.0.95.1] 07:54:09 Pepe_ [~ppjet@anderith.bouah.net] has joined #scheme 07:58:46 leo2007 [~leo@123.114.42.170] has joined #scheme 07:59:09 Whitesquall [~notwhites@94.242.145.107] has joined #scheme 07:59:25 -!- tuubow_ [~adityavit@c-24-0-148-151.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:00:41 may not matter for your use case, but might be faster to test if it's a pair, or not nil, or something, rather than recalculating the length each iteration 08:03:13 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:03:47 answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has joined #scheme 08:05:21 a day job that involves writing lisp sounds pretty awesome 08:10:37 First step included writing Python as if it were Lisp because there is no time to write code anyone except me-later will be able to read. 08:11:49 -!- dino82 [75c49131@gateway/web/freenode/ip.117.196.145.49] has left #scheme 08:12:21 djcb```` [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 08:13:29 -!- djcb``` [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:13:57 hah 08:14:58 MontgoDB1 [~mmontgome@cpe-66-69-6-73.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 08:15:37 -!- MontgoDB [~mmontgome@cpe-66-69-6-73.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:16:46 i'm just jealous. there's not much interesting programming work around where i live (or i don't know how to find it). why on earth does everyone here use asp.net for everything 08:16:48 Looked up now-long-retired (for organizational reasons, not technical ones) Python code. Not much metamagic, but at key places 08:17:03 What is the size of the city? 08:17:15 -!- _ruud_ [~ruud@123.125.0.179] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:17:27 melbourne, australia 08:17:48 Erm 08:18:12 -!- republican_devil [~g@pool-108-13-218-184.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:18:54 tomobrien [~tomobrien@host-92-2-79-163.as43234.net] has joined #scheme 08:18:57 You know, here there are also many 1C (Russian accounting program) or PHP jobs, that doesn't mean you cannot find other ones.. 08:19:05 I don't believe multi-million Australian city doesn't have sane programming places. 08:21:40 I guess if you join Melbourne Functional User Group and are willing to accept some pay downgrade if the working team is nice, you have a reasonable chance 08:21:59 Not quickly, of course... 08:24:57 well they must exist. but precious few that i've come across. of course i'm still an undergraduate, but i'm watching ~90% of my graduating friends, including better developers than me, all settleing into asp.net shops. scary 08:25:40 i really want (apply amb '(1 2 3)) to work. that's why i'm fond of fexpr's/first class macro's 08:26:49 It may be that ASP.net places who correctly think that they need smart developers and incorrectly think they need ASP.net pay more 08:27:21 mm 08:34:48 replore [~replore@EM117-55-65-135.emobile.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 08:35:03 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@71-13-82-190.static.bycy.mi.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 08:40:11 mmc [~michal@178-85-63-71.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 08:42:29 -!- tomobrien [~tomobrien@host-92-2-79-163.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:44:44 -!- machine1 [machine1@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:46:52 Skola [~bas@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #scheme 08:46:53 -!- Skola [~bas@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 08:50:39 stis 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Not sure if this is emacs or mac font itself; but is this normal? Is there a way to set a pre-scale somewhere such that the autogenned default-font setting can work for both without me having to put (* 120 factor) in it ? 11:50:56 rudybot: eval (list #t#t) 11:50:56 leppie: error: #:1:6: read: bad syntax `#t#' 11:57:11 interesting, R7RS remove that '#' delimiter, R6RS got it strangely, I think it might be a mistake or it's purpose miscommunicated 12:03:17 it's gone in IronScheme now - poof! 12:14:42 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-167-123.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:38 -!- replore_ [~replore@EM117-55-65-135.emobile.ad.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:45:13 kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has joined #scheme 12:46:22 civodul [~user@reverse-83.fdn.fr] has joined #scheme 12:53:04 replore [~replore@EM117-55-65-136.emobile.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 12:53:06 -!- replore [~replore@EM117-55-65-136.emobile.ad.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:55:08 antithesis 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