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addition over it 07:09:56 :) 07:09:56 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-178-141.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:10:35 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 07:11:01 then the length of the list tells you the distinct numbers 07:11:23 copumpkin: can you explain a bit more? 07:11:42 homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-194-86.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 07:12:39 sorry, half asleep :) I mean that your accumulator for the fold starts out as an empty set, then your fold function just adds to the accumulated set. Then you take the result of the fold and check its size is two 07:12:52 I can't provide scheme because I haven't written any scheme in years :P 07:13:30 cdidd [~cdidd@95-28-116-109.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 07:13:59 hm, fold - I should learn to use it more :) 07:16:25 copumpkin: what do you use now? 07:16:52 mostly haskell for fun and scala for work 07:17:31 -!- teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:17:43 -!- Euthydemus` [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:17:52 how can i pass compiler and linker flags to the c compiler? 07:17:55 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@h77-53-198-146.dynamic.se.alltele.net] has joined #scheme 07:18:00 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@h77-53-198-146.dynamic.se.alltele.net] has quit [Changing host] 07:18:00 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #scheme 07:19:08 teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has joined #scheme 07:19:10 ie, i'm linking with sdl and i need to pass around `sdl-config --cflags --libs` straight to the compiler 07:19:33 or well, `sdl-config --cflags` as compiler flags and `... --libs` as linker flags 07:19:55 copumpkin: what work do you do in scala :? 07:20:06 financial stuff :) 07:20:13 analyzing portfolios, etc. 07:24:18 is there a way to pass flags to the c compiler at all? 07:24:30 i'm looking at http://wiki.call-cc.org/man/4/Using%20the%20compiler#basic-command-line-options and nothing shows up 07:24:31 http://tinyurl.com/79hsskd 07:24:50 *copumpkin* goes to sleep! 07:26:37 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:35:26 jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-85.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 07:37:25 -!- mmc [~michal@178-85-63-71.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:41:53 antithesis [~antithesi@81.71.110.7] has joined #scheme 07:44:08 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:44:36 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 07:50:14 woonie [~woonie@175.156.118.115] has joined #scheme 07:50:22 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:50:23 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.200.248] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 07:56:16 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:04:15 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:10:50 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.62.38] has joined #scheme 08:10:50 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.62.38] has quit [Changing host] 08:10:50 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 08:14:30 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 08:18:50 madmuppet006 [~user@122-62-124-247.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 08:19:37 keenbug [~daniel@p4FDB6D37.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 08:30:38 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:38:17 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:39:35 choas [~lars@p5795C568.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 08:40:55 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 08:43:21 dzhus [~sphinx@176.14.86.51] has joined #scheme 08:46:12 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 08:50:39 forcer [~forcer@hmbg-4d0692fd.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 08:52:25 -!- sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:52:31 araujo [~araujo@190.38.61.1] has joined #scheme 08:52:31 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.38.61.1] has quit [Changing host] 08:52:31 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 08:53:07 add^_ [~add^_^@m83-185-142-102.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 08:54:21 sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has joined #scheme 08:54:50 -!- t0lkman [~Talkman@c-67-170-223-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 09:00:38 -!- tom_i [~thomasing@ingserv.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:01:09 -!- Radium [~carbon@117.203.9.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:02:10 any hints on writing a iterative procedure for the golden ratio? I can do it with recursive procedure .. just not sure how to do it with iteration 09:06:14 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@91-67-230-210-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:07:04 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:07:34 hhm got it .. just have to see what is happening 09:08:06 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@91-67-230-210-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 09:11:16 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 09:13:52 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Client Quit] 09:17:18 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 09:32:33 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:32:43 -!- tuubow [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:35:10 djcb` [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined 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20:31:56 UTF-Retro 20:32:02 I think I like that best 20:32:14 UTF-8ish 20:32:37 I still want to see my suggestion of UCS-2 be implemented somewhere 20:32:46 (That's UCS 2 and 5/8) 20:33:15 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-154-203.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 20:34:30 -!- antithesis [~antithesi@81.71.110.7] has quit [Quit: yes leaving] 20:35:56 ijp: i know 20:36:09 LeoNerd: pointer? 20:36:09 *qu1j0t3* fails 20:36:23 bfgun [~b_fin_g@r186-53-169-95.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 20:36:24 LeoNerd: ah nice, renders lovely in Deja Vu 20:36:44 Indeed 20:36:58 Plus, the name of the encoding itself needs to be encoded in some sort of encoding :) 20:39:26 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 20:45:40 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-237.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:47:25 -!- noam [~noam@37.142.141.69] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47:37 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@m83-185-142-102.cust.tele2.se] 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for a certain concept of 'participate' yes 21:09:08 BFG9000 21:09:17 bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:09:36 i used haskell, and i hadn't programmed haskell in a couple months so i had to waste a lot of time with the API :p 21:10:29 i handed in the first problem and had to redo it for some stupid reason (instead of reading a number into a string with haskell's read function i used digitToInt and blowed up the case # string... stupid, right?) 21:11:08 then the second problem i had most of it worked out, i put the exception for 0 but not for 1 or 29... it was 5 am so i stopped there and went to sleep 21:11:23 a friend convinced me to enter the competition at like 2 am 21:12:27 if you want to see the code i handed in: BFG9000 21:13:24 hmm, I'm not seeing anything 21:14:14 yeah i trying to find my name too and not finding 21:14:35 possibly related to the fact that i couldn't really navigate to anything owned by google the other day for some unexplainable reason 21:14:43 i could still download the code samples though :| 21:15:08 no wait, i got positive confirmation from the server, it must be some other thing 21:17:56 ijp: hehe, thanks ijp :) 21:18:17 mark_weaver, congrats :) 21:18:47 My GCJ nick is "mhw". I just feel bad that I wimped out and didn't use Scheme for the last two problems, for fear that they wouldn't run fast enough. 21:19:10 ijp deserves kudos for using Scheme for more solution sets than anyone else :) 21:20:51 Hmmm that reminds me, I should get back to writing my Scheme implementation by writing Project Euler solutions... 21:20:58 Been a while since I prodded it 21:22:07 LeoNerd: Pointer to your UTF-2 5/8 idea? 21:22:17 jcowan: Heh.. was nothing terribly serious 21:22:24 pothos_ [~pothos@114-36-240-221.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 21:22:29 Was just the observation that Unicode always fits in 21 bits. So UCS-4 using 32 bits per value is a waste. 21:22:31 I figured, but I like nonserious things 21:22:41 Using just 21 bits means 2 and 5/8 bytes. 21:23:10 -!- pothos [~pothos@114-36-237-8.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:23:17 -!- pothos_ is now known as pothos 21:24:05 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:24:17 Ah, thanks. 21:28:41 it looks like i was in 'practice mode' all the time 21:28:51 i assume at least 21:32:49 i can't seem y name 21:33:17 bfgun: did you register for the contest? 21:33:52 i think i did 21:35:21 it was cool that you could use any language but besides that i didn't really mind. i had fun, now back to uni stuff :p 21:35:51 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 21:36:11 i will participate in next events as long as they allow me to use a language like haskell or scheme. that's in fact why i haven't ever competed in TC 21:39:48 We need some good Scheme hackers to participate in this years ICFP contest. I don't see Scheme listed in any of the past winners. We should fix that! 21:40:39 we also need some bad scheme hackers to make the good hackers look even better by comparison :) 21:40:49 *ijp* volunteers for the latter 21:41:41 lol 21:42:01 -!- mmc [~michal@178-85-63-71.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:51:25 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.200.248] has quit [Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/] 21:53:07 bigfg [~b_fin_g@r186-53-132-21.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 21:56:44 -!- bfgun [~b_fin_g@r186-53-169-95.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:59:31 -!- bigfg is now known as bfig 22:06:44 *jcowan* endures hugely long guile build time 22:07:25 heh. it takes less time than bootstrapping GCC though :) 22:08:12 as a bonus, you can actually start using guile before it has finished bootstrapping, but it will be rather slow because the compiler has not yet been compiled :) 22:08:45 mark_weaver, i'm looking at your code. i would've programmed in scheme if i knew how to manipulate strings prettily 22:09:03 i use chicken though, i didn't know you could do for-each for strings :) 22:10:00 srfi-13 is your friend 22:10:35 Guile has SRFI-13 built-in, which is why I might not have explicitly imported it (a no-op on Guile) 22:10:50 kniu [~kniu@pool-71-182-251-175.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 22:11:25 yeah, i figured that out after you mentioned 22:12:21 what does iota mean? 22:12:33 (iota n) -> (0 1 ... n) 22:12:42 er, ... n-1 22:13:03 why I otta... 22:13:04 (looking at problem 2 code sample) 22:13:08 rudybot: (require srfi/1) 22:13:08 offby1: Done. 22:13:11 rudybot: (iota 10) 22:13:11 offby1: ; Value: (0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9) 22:13:18 cool 22:13:26 bfig: (iota n b) generates a list of n consecutive integers starting at b (0 by default) 22:13:31 I think APL gets the blame for the name 22:13:54 what do you think about APL? is it worth to learn? 22:13:56 rudybot: (require srfi/1) 22:13:57 mark_weaver: your sandbox is ready 22:13:57 mark_weaver: Done. 22:13:58 :p 22:14:03 rudybot: (iota 10 1) 22:14:04 mark_weaver: ; Value: (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10) 22:14:12 bfig: depends, do you like hieroglyphs? 22:14:16 lol 22:14:35 bfig: I don't think there are any implementations of APL for any computer you're likely to encounter. 22:14:44 There is however a modern descendant called J 22:14:48 offby1: there are APLs for unices 22:14:48 lol, that's what i thought (regarding offby1 's comment) 22:14:58 a+ for one 22:14:58 ijp: really? Didn't know that 22:15:46 *offby1* dimly recalls APL on a "Cyber 70" 22:16:44 was that before or after the invention of the penny-farthing :P 22:17:14 is there a package for J in debian? 22:17:45 dnolen [~user@pool-71-183-176-110.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 22:20:30 rudybot: do you like APL? 22:20:30 ijp: Wait, I think it was something like "cardinality" in APL 22:21:25 chrissbx [~chrissbx@c-98-217-198-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:21:31 rudybot: you can't just make arbitrary non-sequiters, this isn't family guy. 22:21:31 ijp: rudybot went to live with a nice family in the country 22:22:04 *ijp* bangs head off table 22:22:07 bfig: doesn't look like it 22:24:19 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 22:25:08 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:26:22 bleh, i still gotta do some otehr stuff. maybe some other time :P 22:26:24 i'll consider learning it 22:27:26 Open Source APL for Windows: http://aplwiki.com/Open%20Source%20APL%3A%20NARS2000 22:27:32 also runs under Wine 22:29:20 chimchambo_ [4625d71a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.37.215.26] has joined #scheme 22:30:55 -!- choas [~lars@p5795C568.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:35:28 -!- woonie [~woonie@nusnet-219-157.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:35:38 Guile's ./configure runs through a jillion tests, then crashes because you don't have a library. Install, repeat, taking longer each time. 22:35:40 Arrgh. 22:35:44 It can't check up front? 22:36:00 Same thing with Spark 22:36:08 jcowan: it's supposed to, but maybe we forgot something. which library? 22:36:19 *jcowan* looks. 22:36:46 mutley89 [~mutley89@cpc1-hudd6-0-0-cust741.4-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 22:37:31 I restored /usr/local from backup, and kept getting warnings about "source newer than compiled code" because I forgot to set the switch to preserve modtimes. 22:37:39 So, rebuild from scratch. 22:38:43 The first time, crashed for lack of libtool just after "checking whether to build static libraries" 22:39:30 Second time, crashed for lack of libunistring. 22:40:09 Third time, crashed for lack of libffi just after testing version of pkg-config. 22:40:27 when you say "crashed", what do you mean exactly? 22:40:43 ./configure terminated 22:40:53 Fourth time, for lack of libgettext. 22:41:03 (Each time, I installed the -dev package; this is Lucid) 22:41:36 oh, I see, the problem is that it doesn't continue to find what else you're missing before aborting. I'll poke our autotools guru to look into that. 22:41:49 -!- chrissbx [~chrissbx@c-98-217-198-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:42:26 Right. It should test for all these packages first thing, and fail fast, reporting what is missing. 22:42:46 I know autotools sucks, but if I were building Guile 2.0 on Cygwin, I would have Reached Out And Touched Someone by now. 22:42:49 Probably with a cannon. 22:44:00 Arrgh; now I am failing with this: 22:44:01 ./configure: line 39618: syntax error near unexpected token `external,' 22:44:01 ./configure: line 39618: `AM_GNU_GETTEXT(external, need-ngettext)' 22:44:16 This is not because libgettext is not loaded; it's probably because I have the wrong version of autotools. Arrrgh. 22:44:50 Alas, Lucid lacks a Guile 2.0 package. 22:46:01 jcowan: are you building from a tarball release, or from git? 22:46:23 2.0.5 tarball 22:46:50 in that case, the version of autotools shouldn't matter, because we've already run it for you. what system is this on? 22:49:11 iffsid [~user@c-98-222-193-118.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:49:17 -!- iffsid [~user@c-98-222-193-118.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:50:15 Ubuntu Lucid, but not fully patched yet. 22:50:52 automake is 1.11.1, autoconf is 2.65 22:52:59 jcowan: did you run autoconf or automake? if so, you should _not_ have done so. 22:53:15 No, not unless make did it for me. 22:54:06 For my purposes, I don't normally want "trunk" versions unless the last release is woefully out of date (e.g. Chicken numbers egg) or doesn't exist (e.g. Owl Lisp) 22:54:29 Should I untar a fresh source? 22:55:11 jcowan: yes, I think you should. it looks like your ./configure got regenerated for some reason, and that you didn't have the necessary gettext automake macros on your system to do the job properly. 22:55:22 -!- chimchambo_ [4625d71a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.37.215.26] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:55:52 jcowan: ah, maybe it's because you restored the source tree without preserving timestamps, and it saw that your configure.ac was newer than your configure and so regenerated it, or something. 22:56:05 Yeah, bingo. 22:56:37 Okay, it's running. Let's see what lib I crash on now. 22:56:47 ("Let's start 'er up and see why she don't work.") 22:57:37 *ijp* places 2 credits on gmp 22:57:58 No, that's loaded; many Schemes depend on it. 22:58:04 s/loaded/installed 22:58:20 *jcowan* always chuckles when "futimens" goes by on the syscall list. 22:58:26 I always read it "futi-mens" 22:59:14 instead of "file-update-time-nanoseconds" 22:59:25 I was just about to ask 23:00:21 rudybot: who comes up with these names? 23:00:22 ijp: its not really is it since the names are quite non descripit so often. better to learn the keys and the C-h k them ;) 23:00:56 yes, that is sadly the case 23:00:57 Okay, crashed for lack of "bdw-gc" even though "libgc-dev" is installed. 23:01:28 *jcowan* pokes about. 23:01:43 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD600CE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:02:49 futimens sounds like "fewmets" 23:02:55 *offby1* goes hunting 23:03:39 jcowan: if your libgc was installed without a pkg-config .pc file, then you will probably need to set the BDW_GC_CFLAGS and BDW_GC_LIBS environment variables when running ./configure 23:03:43 Very few and very weary are those who are in at the death of the Blatant Beast. 23:07:09 jcowan: Guile's resident autotools guru suggests passing -C to configure, to create a configure cache that will make later runs go much faster. 23:07:18 Ta. 23:07:45 That should be the default, considering how many things are tested. 23:08:45 I suspect it's not the default because of the danger that the cache might become stale. 23:14:56 *jcowan* nods. 23:18:35 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:21:08 -!- dnolen [~user@pool-71-183-176-110.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:05 Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #scheme 23:23:59 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:24:47 if you look closely, you'll see that long "configure" runs often report that they're getting some value out of some cache. 23:25:12 I have trouble believing that autotools are still the best solution to the problem of portable source 23:28:11 *jcowan* believes in the Chicken Way. 23:30:19 adu [~ajr@pool-71-241-252-15.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:30:40 The Way of Chicken leads to the Palace of Waffles. 23:32:09 wut 23:32:56 offby1, was that 'hunting fewmets' bit a Madeleine L'Engle reference? If so, kudos. 23:32:57 chrissbx [~chrissbx@c-98-217-198-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:33:38 offby1, incidentally, I am indeed Canuckistanian. I just work for $EMPLOYER, which is an Australian firm. Not quite New Zealand, but close. 23:36:54 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:37:05 "If your system is not Solaris, Linux, *BSD, Cygwin, MinGW, MinGW-Msys, or Haiku, you are on your own. Good luck and send us patches! 23:37:26 *jcowan* hopes to see Chicken on z/OS someday 23:37:43 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #scheme 23:37:49 mark_weaver: Apparently the latest libgc package has the .pc file in it. 23:38:55 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:39:14 jcowan: was there an installed libgc.pc file that Guile's configure failed to find? if so, where was it? 23:39:56 No, apparently not. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=546833 23:40:46 actually, I guess it's looking for bdw-gc.pc 23:41:23 yes 23:41:40 *jcowan* snarfs it from http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/cvs/viewvc.cgi/rapper/gc7.0/bdw-gc.pc?view=markup&sortdir=down and hope it works 23:41:40 http://tinyurl.com/7bqg8mx 23:42:28 jcowan: I wouldn't assume that it will work on a different system, because it depends on the paths where things are installed. 23:42:41 prefix=/usr/local 23:42:41 exec_prefix=${prefix} 23:42:41 libdir=${exec_prefix}/lib 23:42:41 includedir=${prefix}/include 23:42:41 Name: Boehm-Demers-Weiser Conservative Garbage Collector 23:42:42 Description: A garbage collector for C and C++ 23:42:44 Version: 7.0 23:42:46 Libs: -L${libdir} -lgc 23:42:48 Cflags: -I${includedir} 23:42:50 Looks pretty trivial 23:43:19 jcowan: presumably you'll need to change /usr/local to /usr, but other than that it'll probably work I guess 23:43:37 Yes, sure. 23:44:52 No, actually I want it in /usr/local, because I used the default prefix for config. 23:45:15 no, wait, hmmm. 23:48:36 trying... 23:48:49 "Futimens!" -- Harry Potter spell to make ./configure run properly 23:50:37 *jcowan* left out Mac OS X from the list of Chicken hosts above. 23:51:01 jcowan: I thought you said you're using the Ubuntu packages for libgc, which means libgc will be in /usr, not /usr/local 23:51:10 Right. 23:51:17 Even though I'm building Guile in /usr/local. 23:51:46 right, but Guile's location is irrelevant for bdw-gc.pc. 23:51:51 *jcowan* nods. 23:51:53 jcowan: it's ok, you may have intended macosx with "*BSD" 23:52:01 No, I didn't. 23:52:13 s/intended/covered/ 23:52:40 I don't think so, but possibly. 23:53:18 but that's kinda like saying TiVo was made by RMS 23:53:41 No, there are definite differences, beginning with the SO suffix. 23:54:36 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 23:56:11 mark_weaver: completed ./configure! 23:56:17 githogori [~githogori@c-50-131-15-16.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:56:44 Though overall it might have been faster to reload everything from the backup than to rebuild Guile from source. Which is pretty sucky.