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I'm thinking of something that checks (through testing various sizes of inputs) whether an algorithm is O(n), O(n^2), or so. 15:47:14 Timing it then doing regression for the function in question. 15:47:53 It would be nice if it would just take say 6 measurements and figure out by itself what function the complexity most likely follows. 15:48:40 tom_i [~thomasing@ingserv.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 15:48:48 -!- hiato [~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:48:59 -!- noam_ [~noam@37.142.141.69] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:49:58 noam_ [~noam@37.142.141.69] has joined #scheme 15:52:18 -!- samth_away [~samth@samth2.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:55:18 hiato [~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za] has joined #scheme 15:56:02 snizzo [~Claudio@host57-1-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 16:00:03 samth [~samth@samth2.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 16:01:04 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:01:22 wingo [~wingo@c-174-62-76-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:01:48 -!- hiato [~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:03:28 hiato [~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za] has joined #scheme 16:03:52 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.4.9] has joined #scheme 16:03:52 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.4.9] has quit [Changing host] 16:03:52 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 16:15:10 -!- hiato [~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:16:07 hiato [~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za] has joined #scheme 16:23:26 -!- tessier [~treed@216.105.40.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:25:23 tessier [~treed@216.105.40.125] has joined #scheme 16:26:32 -!- mmc1 [~michal@178-85-63-71.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:31:41 githogori [~githogori@c-50-131-15-16.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:31:56 -!- githogori [~githogori@c-50-131-15-16.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 16:33:42 chrissbx: I guess you could, time n = 1, 10, 100, 1000, 10000 16:34:47 estevocastro [estevocast@nat/hackerschool.com/x-tmtaogbiwwavdxqv] has joined #scheme 16:34:56 it'd be pretty crude. 16:35:11 it should give you some idea at least :p 16:35:19 You'd have to start with a few canned "orders", like N, N-log(N), etc; and then try to "fit" each and see which "fits" best. 16:35:33 *offby1* hasn't done any curve fitting this century 16:35:45 actually it could become an engaging project. 16:41:12 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 16:41:54 jhemann [Jason@2001:18e8:2:28a2:7418:e5d5:6478:cafb] has joined #scheme 16:42:30 kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has joined #scheme 16:42:34 -!- snizzo [~Claudio@host57-1-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46:18 jhemann_ [Jason@140-182-211-96.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 16:47:11 offby1: Nice; what were the tweaks? 16:47:51 -!- jhemann [Jason@2001:18e8:2:28a2:7418:e5d5:6478:cafb] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:48:23 I think I mentioned 'em earlier: holding the "corpus" in a sqlite DB instead of RAM, thereby allowing a lot more to be accessible. 16:48:42 I think you said you'd always done that, or some equivalent 16:48:53 -!- keenbug [~daniel@p4FDB684C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:52:48 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:52:55 ijp [~user@host86-151-72-82.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 16:57:02 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 17:03:52 offby1: Oh, I see; yeah, there was a gig or more, IIRC. 17:06:25 jao [~user@160.Red-81-39-169.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 17:06:39 -!- jao [~user@160.Red-81-39-169.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:06:39 jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 17:07:50 ssbr_ [~ssbr@python/site-packages/ssbr] has joined #scheme 17:10:44 -!- jhemann_ [Jason@140-182-211-96.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:12:53 jhemann [Jason@140-182-225-18.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 17:15:04 FreeArtMan [~fam@213.175.106.134] has joined #scheme 17:15:23 HG` [~HG@dsbg-4db578ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 17:18:01 turbofail [~user@c-24-5-89-172.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:20:18 right now it's only about 600 Mb 17:20:35 -!- HG` [~HG@dsbg-4db578ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:23:46 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has left #scheme 17:26:20 -!- ijp [~user@host86-151-72-82.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: The garbage collector got me] 17:29:36 I'm having trouble understanding this function: http://pastie.org/private/lfqsg5hlhjdkpelx8izba -- it counts words and how many times they occur in a list but I'm having trouble understanding thef olding 17:31:59 namidark: "If the key is in the alist already, find the element it's in, add 1 to the occurrences, and prepend it to the alist, but remove the container itself from it" (i.e. replace the element with an incremented element) "and if it's not in there already, add it to the list with a value of 1" 17:34:00 It's quite annoying that the alist interaction is intermingled with the actual code there. (alists are annoying anyhow) 17:34:17 :\ 17:34:45 namidark: Don't let my grumpy old fart rants get to you. Did my "translation" above help? 17:34:57 forcer: mapping it to the code and then i'll see if you agree :) 17:35:05 is the 'ass' variable the tail of the list? 17:35:24 dzhus [~sphinx@176.14.94.92] has joined #scheme 17:35:51 Nah, it's a single element of the alist 17:36:30 *forcer* goes to rewrite that silly code to something readable. 17:36:55 kvda [~textual@202.58.240.18] has joined #scheme 17:37:57 forcer: this is what I have so far if I understood properly: http://pastie.org/private/udpbs7qiippcv7lldoafq 17:38:11 but if you can make it more readable <3 :) 17:38:51 sstrickl [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 17:42:46 How embarassing 17:42:54 I don't have a working scheme installed anywhere anymore 17:43:07 :) 17:43:10 namidark: Second :-P 17:43:15 if it makes a difference I'm using mit-scheme 17:45:04 jlongster [~user@pool-96-253-85-90.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 17:48:35 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 17:48:43 namidark: http://pastie.org/3763312 17:48:59 I didn't do particularly much except to give that inner lambda a name 17:49:20 (And add some comments, but got bored halfway through) 17:49:22 Should make it more clear what is doing what there 17:49:48 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-63-71.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 17:50:29 (I also fucked up and didn't replace the 1s inside ALIST-INCREMENT with INCREMENT variables. Doh me.) 17:52:22 wollw [~davidsher@75-101-85-170.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 17:55:30 forcer: thanks :) looking it over now 17:59:36 forcer: hm I get Unbound variable: exclude 17:59:51 visar [~visar@77.29.157.67] has joined #scheme 18:00:34 Haha 18:00:42 -!- visar [~visar@77.29.157.67] has left #scheme 18:00:49 Sorry 18:01:00 namidark: Replace that call to exclude with alist-remove 18:01:11 I renamed that function to make its purpose more clear 18:01:16 forcer: nice :) 18:01:18 Forgot to rename the call point 18:01:38 now if I wanted to sort this I would apply a custom map function right? 18:03:04 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-233.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:03:04 MAP does not reorder the list it maps over 18:03:17 Sorting without reordering the list is kinda suboptimal, though 18:04:07 namidark: Most Schemes have a SORT function built-in. Unless you want to practice writing sorting algorithms, it's probably best to use the built-in one. 18:04:41 forcer: so I use the (sort ) function and then for the operator i give my own function? or are there built ins? 18:05:01 in-place merge sort on a linked list is a fun programming exercise 18:05:25 namidark: Well, you can use the identity function as the comparison function, but you probably want slightly different behavior :-) 18:06:11 Hm 18:06:13 turbofail: there's an in-place version of merge sort? 18:06:21 This? http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/values.html 18:06:24 qu1j0t3: for linked lists yes 18:06:47 turbofail: hm... i didn't know that. i've done the ordinary merge sort in scheme 18:06:56 turbofail: do you have a link? 18:07:01 turbofail: so to speak 18:07:27 http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/algorithms/listsort.html 18:07:52 actually i remember reading something about a practical in-place merge algorithm for arrays too but i haven't looked at it yet 18:08:41 turbofail: nice. /me files away in unreliable memory bank 18:10:44 snizzo [~Claudio@host57-1-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 18:13:05 -!- tom_i [~thomasing@ingserv.demon.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:18:41 tom_i [~thomasing@ingserv.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 18:26:27 23 18:26:28 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-57-27.gmavt.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:26:53 -!- kvda [~textual@202.58.240.18] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:27:35 -!- pygospa [~Pygosceli@kiel-5f77bc49.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:28:56 31 18:29:25 nay you can't just pull out 31 like that 18:29:39 pygospa [~Pygosceli@kiel-4dbede22.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 18:31:25 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-177-242.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 18:33:46 wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-165-25.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 18:34:21 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-165-25.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 18:35:07 tomodo: but he did! 18:35:17 tomodo: who's counting! 18:35:47 study at the russian school, they were the first to refute that move 18:35:47 -!- metasyntax|work [~taylor@fw-its-kt209a-2.dyn.ipfw.edu] has quit [Quit: The Spark of Deity ignites in our hands!] 18:36:14 47 18:36:32 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-177-242.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:36:43 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-177-242.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:37:28 tomodo: aha but Krankelstein proves that the refutation applies only to special cases! 18:38:01 a lot of pros have been dropping 47s early on, it's solid 18:40:06 tomodo: shhh don't give away valuable strategy! 18:42:00 kudkudyak [~user@94.72.150.209] has joined #scheme 18:45:51 -!- dnolen [aa95640a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.170.149.100.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:46:38 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:47:33 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-165-25.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:47:50 -!- wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-165-25.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:54 wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-165-25.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 18:49:13 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-165-25.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 18:52:03 -!- estevocastro is now known as estevo|lunch 18:54:26 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 18:55:03 ssbr__ [~ssbr@python/site-packages/ssbr] has joined #scheme 18:58:48 -!- ssbr_ [~ssbr@python/site-packages/ssbr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:02:31 kaiku [mokou@i.orz.fi] has joined #scheme 19:04:29 hello. i consider myself a hardcore dude, though i am unexperienced. i seek guidance: what is the best way to make a modern game with scheme? 19:04:53 -!- woonie [~woonie@nusnet-237-193.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:04:54 with real time interaction, opengl graphics and a REPL? 19:05:08 impossible unless i want to make everything myself? 19:05:22 Racket has open GL graphics, a repl, and real-time interaction 19:05:49 the GUI framework is ok when you get your hands around it, and it ships with a number of examples 19:06:29 can i compile parts of the code and still have repl? 19:07:10 well if you want to make a "modern" game you might want access to the newer opengl APIs 19:07:16 -!- ThePawnBreak121 [Cristi@94.177.108.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:07:39 if i recall correctly the racket gl bindings target the older API 19:08:43 im worried about performance: is it possible to compile code to fast binary and still manipulate it with repl? 19:08:52 kaiku: yes 19:09:09 -!- mucker [~harsha@183.83.227.117] has left #scheme 19:09:11 racket uses a jit compiler so you don't need to compile ahead of time 19:10:55 kuribas [~user@d54C43316.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 19:11:17 if i wanted to compile ahead of time, for example when publishing the game for the public, could it still have repl? 19:11:50 kaiku: i don't know what you mean by a game having a repl 19:12:53 i mean it to work the same way as the command line of modern games, like SOURCE-enginge games 19:13:14 where you can go to dev-mode and change stuff on the fly and script events, etc 19:13:52 ah, ok 19:13:59 then yes, you can build things like that 19:14:14 naughty dog uses as the scripting language for some of their games 19:15:02 well, they did... 19:15:04 samth: you mean GOAL? 19:15:19 qu1j0t3: they still do 19:15:34 samth: hm.... did you read Gavin's blog series on that? 9+ parts 19:15:41 http://cufp.org/conference/sessions/2011/functional-mzscheme-dsls-game-development 19:15:41 http://tinyurl.com/6ac6sxp 19:15:56 right they actually used PLT scheme for uncharted 19:15:58 samth: ah, that's not the old lisp inspired one then? 19:16:02 samth: GOOL/GOAL 19:16:09 back when it was still called PLT 19:16:25 my understanding is that they haven't moved to racket yet 19:16:41 qu1j0t3: i think they're all the same thing 19:16:53 samth: no, the older one isn't scheme, and isn't an off the shelf lisp either, afaik. 19:16:58 samth: but it was discontinued 19:17:14 samth: let me find you the blog series link 19:17:15 qu1j0t3: i think GOOL/GOAL was a dsl they built in plt scheme 19:17:20 hmmmmmmm 19:17:23 no 19:17:27 it was his own lisp impl 19:18:00 samth: this is a very long and detailed explanation of that period at Naughty Dog. http://all-things-andy-gavin.com/2011/02/02/making-crash-bandicoot-part-1/ 19:18:05 samth: many parts 19:18:13 samth: of course, i might be misremembering that detail ) 19:18:13 GOAL was actually a compiler to the PS1's processor that they built using common lisp 19:18:14 qu1j0t3: i read that at some point 19:18:18 turbofail: yeah 19:20:54 ijp [~user@host86-151-72-82.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 19:21:07 tcleval [~funnyguy@187.58.93.4] has joined #scheme 19:29:17 -!- tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31:59 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@95-26-94-26.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:34:55 -!- FreeArtMan [~fam@213.175.106.134] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:35:22 -!- tom_i [~thomasing@ingserv.demon.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:46:51 lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #scheme 19:46:56 cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-232-54.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 19:47:18 -!- jhemann [Jason@140-182-225-18.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:51:29 jhemann [Jason@140-182-228-128.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 19:55:20 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 19:55:36 -!- estevo|lunch is now known as estevocastro 20:04:38 -!- turbofail [~user@c-24-5-89-172.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:08:25 realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has joined #scheme 20:20:53 I've got a function thanks to forcer that will count up duplicated words, but how would I sort this? http://pastie.org/private/sectwowg8lkyvmblfohj8g -- would I need to use a wt-tree or? 20:26:16 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-232-54.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:31:45 jcowan [~John@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has joined #scheme 20:32:52 -!- jcowan [~John@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32:52 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-233.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 20:33:03 jcowan [~John@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has joined #scheme 20:37:26 hoi 20:39:21 like I can sort by string if I do (sort lst string namidark: (lambda (x y) (< (cdr x) (cdr y))) 20:40:32 ijp: so (sort lst (lambda...? 20:41:02 or give it a name, say, cdr ijp: your my hero :) 20:42:08 cash donations can be made in the foyer :) 20:44:42 turbofail [~user@c-24-5-89-172.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:49:02 -!- bfig [~b_fin_g@r186-53-163-59.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:55:23 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-180-19.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:58:05 offby1: Had a catastrophic server failure; have yet to resurrect incubot. Would like to, though; we need a Chicken REPL to balance the force. 20:58:46 Whether Chicken or Racket is Sith or Jedi is an exercise for the reader. 21:01:06 Neither. They are the school of Hillel and the school of Shammai. 21:02:16 hm. 21:02:19 *qu1j0t3* ponders this 21:02:25 bfig [~b_fin_g@r186-53-131-32.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 21:02:45 arcfide [~arcfide@2001:18e8:2:10f4:3008:61a9:2f02:bbe0] has joined #scheme 21:03:03 jcowan: That may be; I nevertheless contend that Chicken is Hillel: it nominates its wife beautiful, but divorces her for burning popcorn. 21:03:20 I think that's what I said. 21:03:52 jcowan: Oh, good; there was an implicit "respectively" in there somewhere. 21:04:00 Yeah. 21:04:06 Brilliant. 21:04:56 god, i can't breathe in this rarefied air. klutometis why is it brilliant. assume i'm a peasant. 21:10:45 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has left #scheme 21:18:10 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 21:23:04 jhemann_ [Jason@2001:18e8:2:28a2:bdb1:c3ce:e824:915b] has joined #scheme 21:25:19 -!- jhemann [Jason@140-182-228-128.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:28:53 qu1j0t3: The schools of Hillel and Shammai were two famous schools of Jewish legal scholars about 2000 years ago. Hillel generally took a liberal interpretation of Jewish law, Shammai a conservative one. 21:29:09 like Plato and Aristotle 21:29:24 *qu1j0t3* fails to draw klutometis out 21:29:28 or Seinfeld and David 21:29:40 or bugs bunny and daffy duck 21:29:52 How is this IRC channel different from all other IRC channels? 21:29:57 Or Chicken and Racket 21:29:59 *offby1* turns to qu1j0t3 since he is the youngest 21:30:04 qu1j0t3: Shammai was pretty rigorous, for instance, in the sense that you durst not beautify your wife; even on your wedding day. 21:30:08 qu1j0t3 is the youngest? 21:30:14 I hope not! 21:30:15 ijp: HAHA 21:30:21 ijp: I hadda pick someone for the sake of the joke. Just go with it 21:30:32 qu1j0t3: The Hillel would let you divorce her, on the other hand, for trivia. 21:30:36 ok then, proceed 21:30:41 klutometis: wow, my wife wouldn't stay with him unless bound by a pile of weird old tribal covenants! 21:31:11 klutometis: she gotta have her shelf of cosmetics! (where shelf is defined as 'every horizontal surface within 6 metres of the bathroom') 21:31:40 offby1: i am, however, a very poor choice by that metric. 21:31:46 offby1: you weren't to know! 21:33:32 on IRC nobody knows you're a geezer 21:33:34 langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 21:33:38 offby1: :) 21:34:02 jcowan: which of chicken & racket is conservative, in your estimation? 21:34:12 i can come up with interpretations either way 21:34:18 Racket is *strict*, which is probably a better characterization. 21:34:21 Chicken is loose. 21:35:22 jcowan: but chicken is all about strict adherence to the old ways, and racket takes a liberal attitude toward new innovations 21:35:31 Point. 21:35:37 Except not so strict. 21:35:55 it all depends on what you're being strict about 21:37:06 rudybot: should we be strictly loose or loosely strict? 21:37:07 ijp: but a fingerprint is half of a "cert", loosely speaking. 21:37:23 indeed 21:42:21 samth: What are "the old ways"? R5RS, maybe? 21:42:54 The name "Scheme"? 21:43:11 klutometis: the former, more than the latter 21:44:45 -!- estevocastro [estevocast@nat/hackerschool.com/x-tmtaogbiwwavdxqv] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:46:55 estevocastro [estevocast@nat/hackerschool.com/x-kwgwuclhvthvlfzq] has joined #scheme 21:48:07 klutometis: have you seen the algorithm I "invented"? 21:50:35 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 21:54:30 -!- lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:56:08 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:00:16 samth: Maybe that's true; but R6RS isn't so much new as it is orthogonal, isn't it? 22:00:30 It's new in a trivial sense. 22:00:50 But also perhaps isolated. 22:00:53 klutometis: it seems likes it's new in the obvious sense of coming after the r5rs 22:01:13 it's as isolated as every r5rs scheme's custom variant of it is 22:02:27 i would describe r6rs as having wide adoption among popular scheme implementations, and producing several new ones 22:05:37 -!- dzhus [~sphinx@176.14.94.92] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:06 CampinSam [~CampinSam@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 22:10:09 confab [~confab@public-nat2.arc.losrios.edu] has joined #scheme 22:12:31 -!- tcleval [~funnyguy@187.58.93.4] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:17:00 phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 22:17:00 -!- phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 22:17:00 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #scheme 22:20:11 -!- masm [~masm@bl18-40-195.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:20:49 djcb` [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 22:22:04 samth: Indeed; but surely those spawn of R6RS are reproductively isolated. In fact, R6RS was a form of /parapatric speciation/, I think; and if R7RS emerges as King Richard, R6RS may be a parenthesis in the history of Scheme. 22:22:18 We'll see. 22:22:21 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@m90-141-49-231.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 22:22:42 -!- djcb [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:23:12 depends what you mean by "king richard" in this sense 22:23:52 the likely outcome is, r7rs small "wins", and scheme remains in much the same portability ghetto its in right now 22:24:14 klutometis: an ink blot 22:24:20 *qu1j0t3* runz 22:24:26 ijp: Hmm; very plausible. 22:27:49 qu1j0t3: Heh; in the sense of a Rorschach test? 22:29:36 jrslepak [~jrslepak@129.10.229.1] has joined #scheme 22:30:19 klutometis: i don't know why you think that guile and larceny are more "reproductively isolated" than chicken or gambit 22:31:28 -!- ssbr__ is now known as ssbr_ 22:37:04 -!- djcb` [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:47:30 -!- kuribas [~user@d54C43316.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:50:40 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50:57 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 22:53:47 samth: Sorry; I was thinking more of Ikarus and Ypsilon. 22:54:07 klutometis: sure, new scheme implementations rarely have descendants 22:54:25 ypsilon had a positivie influence on mosh 22:55:21 ikarus, alas, is in statis 22:55:32 i thought there was a fork that was active 22:56:08 active, but too active, if you know what I mean 22:56:13 er, not too active 22:56:37 -!- confab [~confab@public-nat2.arc.losrios.edu] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:57:53 *ijp* adds marco maggi to the list of fallen portable schemers 23:02:30 -!- Myk267 [~myk@adsl-71-149-249-146.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:36 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 23:02:56 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@129.10.229.1] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:05:20 "mosh" is also the "mobile shell", a replacement for ssh that I just started using; 23:05:21 . 23:09:31 confab [~confab@public-nat2.arc.losrios.edu] has joined #scheme 23:09:33 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:19:54 -!- wingo [~wingo@c-174-62-76-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:23:01 -!- jhemann_ [Jason@2001:18e8:2:28a2:bdb1:c3ce:e824:915b] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:30:23 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:31:26 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:34:39 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:37:44 If I have (1 . 2) how would I write the (lambda to print that? 23:37:55 print 1 and then print 2 individually 23:38:24 Myk267 [~myk@adsl-71-149-249-146.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 23:38:44 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:39:02 rudybot: (define display-pair (lambda (p) (display (car p)) (newline) (display (cdr p)))) 23:39:03 *offby1: your sandbox is ready 23:39:03 *offby1: Done. 23:39:10 rudybot: (display-pair '(1 . 2)) 23:39:10 *offby1: ; stdout: "1\n2" 23:39:14 like that? 23:39:25 offby1: yup! 23:39:48 rudybot: (define display-thing (lambda (thing) (display thing) (newline))) 23:39:48 *offby1: Done. 23:39:58 rudybot: (display-thing '(1 . 2)) 23:39:58 *offby1: ; stdout: "(1 . 2)\n" 23:40:12 rudybot: (display-thing "It's not just for pairs!") 23:40:13 *offby1: lists of these pairs are often used like hashes in other programming languages, this is called an association list or alist. 23:40:16 rudybot: eval (display-thing "It's not just for pairs!") 23:40:17 *offby1: ; stdout: "It's not just for pairs!\n" 23:40:25 rudybot: eval (display-thing (list 10 9 8)) 23:40:25 *offby1: ; stdout: "(10 9 8)\n" 23:40:29 etc etc 23:40:31 nice 23:40:45 hmmm I get a #!unspecific when using it :\ 23:40:53 It does it but then I get #!unspecific 23:41:05 that's OK 23:41:16 that's the _return value_ from display-pair 23:41:40 but presumably you don't care about the return value; instead, presumably, you care about the side-effect of sending characters to the output stream. 23:41:55 your REPL is showing you both, for completeness 23:42:05 hm 23:42:15 for some reason rudybot doesn't do that. Probably because I tole him not to. 23:42:21 how would I set the return value to be a blank then? if I use () it returns foobar 1() 23:42:39 '() * 23:42:41 rudybot: (define display-pair (lambda (p) (display (car p)) (newline) (display (cdr p))) "") 23:42:41 *offby1: error: #:1:0: define: bad syntax (multiple expressions after identifier) in: (define display-pair (lambda (p) (display (car p)) (newline) (display (cdr p))) "") 23:42:45 gaah 23:42:53 rudybot: (define display-pair (lambda (p) (display (car p)) (newline) (display (cdr p)) "")) 23:42:53 *offby1: Done. 23:43:02 rudybot: (display-pair '(3 . 4)) 23:43:02 *offby1: ; Value: "" 23:43:03 *offby1: ; stdout: "3\n4" 23:43:05 yay :) 23:43:07 thanks offby1 ! 23:43:25 jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-148-123.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:43:29 ah, rudybot never says "value #!unspecific", but always shows you _other_ return values. 23:53:27 scared to appear weak 23:53:27 -!- arcfide [~arcfide@2001:18e8:2:10f4:3008:61a9:2f02:bbe0] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:53:51 rudybot: don't show fear in the face of the enemy! 23:53:51 ijp: "Don't buy from Kinkos, enemy of your freedom!" 23:54:06 kinkos? 23:55:07 now known as "FedEx Office" 23:55:32 not sure we get that over here 23:55:54 harharhar 23:56:05 offby1: yeah with that asterisk logo. 23:56:10 at least that'll make it easy for me not to buy from them 23:56:10 offby1: we have this. 23:57:38 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]