00:00:53 -!- githogori [~githogori@216.207.36.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:03:53 arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has joined #scheme 00:06:35 -!- kvda [~kvda@124-169-155-127.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: x___x] 00:08:49 There is mounting evidence that Let Over Lambda is a virtuosic trollwork propagated by a Lisperate paleo-troll who predates even 4chan. 00:11:21 what's the latest piece of evidence? 00:11:31 ossified footprints? 00:11:44 car and cdr shells preserved in amber? 00:12:53 -!- hopfrog [~bill@76.73.221.195] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:13:44 confab [~win7@public-nat2.arc.losrios.edu] has joined #scheme 00:14:58 prehistoric parentheses worn down by erosion? 00:18:59 maybe even a confession written in his own blood when the trollhunters finally got him? 00:25:09 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:25:22 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 00:27:26 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.143.157] has joined #scheme 00:30:15 robclark [~robclark@ppp-70-129-134-19.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 00:30:25 -!- robclark [~robclark@ppp-70-129-134-19.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has left #scheme 00:31:11 cswords_ [~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:34:26 -!- cswords [~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:52:52 klutometis, what's let over lambda? 01:01:47 Jsandys [~jeff@184-77-234-225.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined #scheme 01:01:48 jeff__ [~jeff@184-77-234-225.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined #scheme 01:02:01 woonie [~woonie@137.132.42.78] has joined #scheme 01:03:38 -!- Asphodelia [~delia@unaffiliated/asphodelia] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:09:55 -!- fizzie [fis@unaffiliated/fizzie] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:12:36 rageous [~Adium@65-128-200-54.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 01:13:37 -!- rostayob [~rostayob@5add3a82.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 01:19:12 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 01:26:20 -!- jeff__ [~jeff@184-77-234-225.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:29:12 Lajla: a book. 01:30:46 qu1j0t3, ahh, like Mein Kampf? 01:30:49 Yeah, I know of these books 01:30:55 from an ancient time before the enlightement of the internet 01:31:01 Where people used to for propaganda 01:32:02 Lajla: A book. 01:33:03 Lajla: kinda like an ebook, only heavier and words were on paper rather than a screen 01:34:38 -!- virl [~virl__@85-127-158-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:34:54 books are superior to ebooks 01:35:35 that depends entirely on the metric 01:35:42 sure 01:36:24 I'm partial to some dead tree myself, but I like my kindle for pdfs 01:36:38 ijp: yeah more practical on the streetcar/bus for me. :) 01:36:38 I can't imagine reading an ebook while taking a bath. 01:36:50 lcc: correct. I use paper books in this situation. but not hardcovers. 01:37:10 lcc: I would feel deeply uncomfortable, if not stupid, using the Kindle in the bath. 01:37:21 -!- pygospa [~Pygosceli@kiel-4d067e75.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:37:30 pygospa [~Pygosceli@kiel-4d066f0b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 01:40:21 -!- tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:41:31 -!- woonie [~woonie@137.132.42.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:44:40 futilius [~will@99-174-253-193.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:55:14 -!- futilius [~will@99-174-253-193.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:06:34 -!- confab [~win7@public-nat2.arc.losrios.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:07:48 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 02:08:35 fizzie [fis@unaffiliated/fizzie] has joined #scheme 02:13:41 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-51-216.gmavt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:14:42 xwl_ [user@nat/nokia/x-bamrvvkqricdkrsx] has joined #scheme 02:16:30 githogori [~githogori@c-50-131-15-16.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:22:59 lcc, I really, really really really really really really dislike books 02:23:06 They lack ctrl+f amongst others 02:23:19 Also, I find it annoying to read stuff from not a screen, I got spoilt man 02:23:26 all that stuff that isn his own light source 02:23:37 not to mention the fact that in a digital medium you can adjust text size and all that good stuff 02:23:43 Lajla: I have no problem with ebooks, as long as they are not drm. 02:23:45 I got a praeference for a fairly small text size. 02:23:57 Well, books are DRM by practice 02:24:02 Very hard to copy a book 02:24:13 I do like search and regex features. 02:24:21 Lajla: you can share books 02:24:24 Books just read in a very awkward way without the convenience of digial manipulation 02:24:28 Lajla: you can't share drm books 02:24:32 lcc, well, if you share it it means you don't have it any more 02:24:37 Oh you can. 02:24:56 They just make it about as hard as actually having to get on a cycle and bring someone your book 02:25:03 instead of at the press of a button like with DRM free books 02:25:04 amirite? 02:26:04 *cky* buys from publishers that don't use DRM. 02:26:15 \me does too 02:26:18 oops 02:26:19 For example, O'Reilly, PragProg, Apress, Manning, etc. do not use DRM. 02:26:20 *lcc* does too 02:26:36 Oh, and many InformIT titles (especially newer ones) are DRM-free too. 02:26:44 Personally I like a combination of books and ebooks. 02:26:49 (InformIT == Pearson, Addison-Wesley, etc.) 02:28:37 jcowan [~John@cpe-66-108-19-185.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:30:00 hoi 02:31:53 futilius [~will@99-174-253-193.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:31:56 *ijp* asks jcowan for the password and secret handshake 02:32:26 Which secret society are you interested in joining? 02:32:42 Or are you demanding, rather than requesting, them? 02:33:15 how do we know you're really a schemer if we don't see the appropriate credentials? 02:34:25 Ah, I see. 02:34:25 rudybot: it used to be the scheme underground, now people just waltz right in 02:34:26 ijp: ah. That would be an address :) 02:34:51 Like chanting "gee-mu-nu" proves you belong to the General Relativists. 02:38:47 Lajla: the lack of backlighting in epaper is more comfortable to some people. 02:39:09 -!- Jsandys [~jeff@184-77-234-225.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:39:56 qu1j0t3, so I heard, but I'm pretty sure those things are merely what one is used to. 02:40:00 Like ehh, Serif versus sans fonts 02:40:10 ijp: Data and procedures and the values they amass / Higher-order functions to combine and mix and match / Objects with their local state, the messages they pass / A property, a package, a control point for a catch 02:40:12 you often read that serif is more legible, but this is personal and in fact nurture, not nature 02:40:19 In the Lambda Order they are all first-class. 02:40:28 Like, in the states, serif has the upper hand, in europe sans has for instance 02:40:40 One Thing to name them all, One Thing to define them, One Thing to place them in environments and bind them 02:40:47 In the Lambda Order they are all first-class. 02:40:47 Lajla: well no 02:40:53 There: satisfied? 02:40:55 -!- masm [~masm@bl17-205-178.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:40:58 that will be sufficient :) 02:41:19 Lajla: i've tried plenty of backlit reading, I mean, we've used backlit screens for years, so we should be used to it? But epaper is still much more comfortable to me for long term reading. 02:41:31 Lajla: we're also "used to" paper. 02:41:39 Lajla: anyway use what you like. I do. :) 02:42:13 qu1j0t3, that's what I say, people are used to it, also, these things often develop in childhood 02:42:19 the human body is remarkably adaptive during childhood 02:42:28 but which should I be "used to"? I've used backlit screens for a long time. 02:42:29 Like, I read something lately that young people in theory don't get RSI any more 02:42:37 if you're used to typing from a young age you don't really get it. 02:42:46 qu1j0t3, probably depends on what you've grown up with. 02:43:10 people who grow up without paper books ... well. where would I begin... 02:43:11 I've grown up with screens all around me and far less paper, I find paper, especially glossy paper, to read more tiring. 02:43:26 funny how they don't print books on glossy paper :) 02:43:34 Obviously depends on what you've seen more, like everything, it probably has a nurture+nature component 02:43:38 They prints chool books on it 02:43:44 and magazines 02:43:48 i would, however, like higher resolution epaper. 02:44:03 Well, epaper does allow you some of the benefits of a screen, such as ctrl+f 02:44:17 I'd like a higher resolution reality. I swear I can see the pixels some times .... 02:44:18 for me epaper is a real advance. 02:44:20 ctrl+f alone justifies the ritual burning of books at 412 farenheit 02:44:37 i can definitely see the pixels on a kindle. 02:44:50 not so much on APple Retina, but yeah, backlighting and power guzzler, so w/e 02:45:08 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:45:13 I think you missed the point of fahrenheit 451 02:45:25 well you see, that's the thing; we don't need to burn any books. we have those _as well_ (and I own countless) 02:45:47 unless you wanted to burn books to generate power for an iPad, and I might challenge that 02:47:50 samth [~samth@c-66-31-201-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:49:25 ijp, I'm joking 02:49:35 Besides, fossile fuels are running out 02:49:40 since those trees are already dead, I don't mind. 02:49:53 -!- futilius [~will@99-174-253-193.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:51:51 what about all of the crap that enters the atmosphere, in the production of computers and kindles? 02:52:41 -!- lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:53:36 -!- CampinSam [~CampinSam@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:54:31 Environmental debates are very tricky, and honestly I don't think there's a simple answer 02:54:57 like, you might be 'Ohh, let's make windmil farms', okay, so then you get energy, then the wind slows down because you get energy from it, aqnd then you influence the eocosystem with that. 02:55:11 'Let's get solar panels', okay, then you cool the ground down, again, you influence the oecosystem. 02:55:41 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:55:45 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 02:55:49 The last sounds very unlikely, though I agree with the style of argument in principle. 02:56:06 "Environmental problems should be approached with fear and trembling and a good computer." 02:56:12 jcowan, I don't know the numbers of course, but yeah, it's just an ilustration 02:56:38 *jcowan* nods. 02:56:48 Though, now I am confused 02:56:57 like, say we want the stuff to be cooler because of global warming 02:57:02 so we place some solar panels in the sahara 02:57:19 I do remember hearing that you can't do that because thermodynamics or something 02:57:27 Oh wait 02:57:29 Nonono 02:57:37 you can because the sahara is hotter than it's surroundings I guess 02:57:51 Yes. However, you can also make ice cream there. 02:57:53 I think that's the rule. 02:57:56 (the Romans did) 02:57:59 Yeah, but then you can't gain energy from it 02:58:03 You have to input then 02:58:11 Also, solar cells aren't heat engines. 02:58:22 True 02:58:25 But solar panels are 02:58:34 Solar panels work with water as far as I know 02:58:38 *jcowan* nods. 02:58:38 which drives some turbine 02:58:43 God bless you Mr. Watt 02:59:04 Biggest invention since banging your head into a granite wall. 02:59:22 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:59:35 The trick with the ice cream is to dig a pit, insulate it, and put the ingredients in uncovered after dark. They will have frozen by daybreak. 02:59:51 THe Sahara is really cold at night or something? 03:00:07 No, it's the sky that's cold at night: 3 kelvins. 03:00:21 3 kelvin? 03:00:25 That is quite cold... 03:00:33 The temperature of the cosmic background radiation. 03:01:38 That serves as the heat sink, although radiation is such an inefficient heating/cooling process that the temperature doesn't drop very much below freezing in the pit. 03:03:11 (In fact the temperature of space near the Sun is probably much higher than 3 K) 03:04:09 The reason this doesn't work outside the desert is that water vapor, being a greenhouse gas, pretty much blocks it, but the amount of water vapor over a desert is minuscule. 03:06:11 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:11:53 jcowan, yeah, this I never understood 03:11:59 this illusive 'temperature' 03:12:14 I mean, temperature of a vacuum 03:12:23 .oO(jcowan++ for spelling minuscule correctly) 03:12:41 The only way to meassure temperature of a vaccum is to put something in it and meassure the temperature of that, right? 03:12:57 People tend to spell it wrongly? 03:13:05 I love people who spell definitely like 'defiantly' 03:13:12 I have no idea how you can do that, but it pops up quite often. 03:13:34 "definately" spelling-corrected, probably. 03:15:12 Lajla: "miniscule" is a common misspelling. In fact, so common that lots of people accept it. 03:15:31 Most dictionaries included. 03:15:35 Ahhh 03:15:36 Yep. 03:15:49 Well, most dictionaries include outrageous things such as equal for aequal. 03:15:56 Surely equal relates to horses and aequal to identity 03:16:00 You know I'm right 03:16:27 dictionaries include outrageous things because people say and write outrageous things 03:16:43 As my ex used to say 'A paedophile is a lover of children, a pedophile a lover of soil' 03:16:48 True 03:16:49 silly people 03:17:13 Join the revolution, start re-introducing aequal even today. 03:17:25 rudybot: (define aequal? equal?) 03:17:25 cky: your sandbox is ready 03:17:25 cky: Done. 03:17:33 rudybot: (define aeqv? eqv?) 03:17:33 cky: Done. 03:17:38 rudybot: (define aeq? eq?) 03:17:38 cky: Done. 03:17:43 Lajla: ^^--- happy now? 03:17:49 I'll get right on that, right after I convince people to start using "begging the question" correctly, and Americans to spell colour correctly 03:18:03 Well, there is certainly argument for color 03:18:09 ijp: Don't get me started on enrol, manoeuvre, etc. 03:18:19 As in, the American color got from color < colour < couleur < color 03:18:33 ijp: Similarly with distil, instil, etc. 03:18:43 ijp: wilful, skilful 03:18:44 I actually don't care either way; the point is it isn't going to happen 03:18:46 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.176] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:18:49 ijp: :-) 03:18:53 ijp, you and I baby 03:18:55 we can make this work 03:19:00 You and I against the world. 03:19:08 Also, let's spell it like dwargh and darghes 03:19:22 I love how Tolkien 're-instroduced' 'dwarves' except that it never existed and makes no sense 03:19:29 Elves is cool though 03:19:47 Tolkien knew that. 03:19:53 jcowan, he didn? 03:19:55 (about "dwarves") 03:19:56 THen why did he come with dwarves? 03:20:29 I like how Tolkien used 'wanhope' 03:20:30 It started out as an error, and he decided to stick with it. He wasn't the first and won't be the last. 03:20:33 Most awesome word ever 03:20:39 Ahhh 03:20:45 Well, I assume he eventually knew it 03:20:45 I am very fond of "dwimmerlaik" myself. 03:20:49 Oh yes. 03:20:50 People would have told him. 03:20:52 yeah 03:21:17 "Begone foul dwimmerlaik" 03:21:28 Best word ever is 'paedagogantic' for 'pedantic' of course. 03:21:29 jcowan: Dwimmerlaik? Is that related to D&D dwoemers? 03:21:38 Uh, pardon misspelling. 03:21:42 Yes it is. 03:21:55 Interesting. 03:22:07 We should just be like Icelandic people and go out with words like 'to program' in general and use awesome words like 'to forewrite' 03:22:26 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@176.222.173.199] has joined #scheme 03:22:39 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@176.222.173.199] has quit [Changing host] 03:22:39 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 03:26:18 Lajla: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.language.artificial/msg/69250bac6c7cbaff <-- "Uncleftish Beholding" 03:26:19 http://tinyurl.com/7s7yo 03:27:35 "He is a wizard cunning and dwimmer-crafty" 03:28:37 http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_it_Dwarfs_rather_than_Dwarves <-- quotes Tolkien's letter explaining his use of "dwarves" 03:29:39 Ah, that is quite readable 03:30:01 Well, in English most of the Germanic words still have existed as counterparts to their latinate ones 03:30:07 I find it interesting that some are in fact more formal 03:30:30 -!- samth [~samth@c-66-31-201-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 03:30:38 samth [~samth@c-66-31-201-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:33:59 IIRC about 60% of known Old English words have been lost. 03:34:05 lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #scheme 03:34:42 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 03:35:10 There are some words that were obviously in OE but it so happens that we don't have them in our corpus. 03:37:35 Well, what I mean is that for most latinate words today there exists a germanic synonym which is still understandable 03:38:04 unlike in say Finnish which absorbed a lot of Germanic words to the point that there are no uralic counterparts any more, even nouns denoting close kinship are often germanic 03:38:11 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-233.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:40:13 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has left #scheme 03:41:23 xb 03:43:09 Lajla: True 03:43:21 IIRC you can only reconstruct Uralic numbers 1-6. 03:43:31 Everything after that is an Indo-European borrowing. 03:46:57 The oldest layer of borrowings in Finnish (e.g. _kuningas_) still have their Proto-Germanic form, whereas in the actual Germanic languages it has changed to king, König, koning, kong, etc. 03:47:24 Latin borrowings in English didn't really take off until the 16th century, so it is not surprising that they coexist with native words. 03:48:04 jcowan, yeah, kingungas still has the Proto-Germanic case ending 03:48:07 which is pretty awesome 03:48:44 I find finnish interesting in that and uralic alnguages in general, they seem to have almost no resistance for borrowing into open classes but a high resistance of borrowing into closed classes and inflexional endings 03:48:49 And derivational endings 03:49:05 zzach1 [~zzach@dslb-084-061-109-183.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 03:49:06 I think that's fairly typical of most languages; that's why they call them "closed classes" 03:49:24 English has been big on borrowing derivational endings, but most derived words still use native endings. 03:49:37 And Dutch has not "factored" its Latinate endings the way English has 03:50:24 The only way to borrow an affix is to borrow lots of words with the affix, in general. 03:50:58 -!- zzach [~zzach@dslb-178-001-227-100.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:51:48 jcowan, I disagree, English has borrowed a lot of things like 'versus' and 'except' which are closed classes as well as derivational endings 03:52:09 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:52:28 In finnish you have weird stuff like tyttönikinkö hypothetically which would mean 'my girlfriend too?' where tyttö is Germanic 03:52:43 Prepositions aren't in fact a closed class. 03:52:59 I don't really know any derivational endings in Finnish which are borrowed 03:53:13 Seems reasonable. 03:53:20 "In linguistics, a closed class (or closed word class) is a word class to which no new items can normally be added, and that usually contains a relatively small number of items. Typical closed classes found in many languages are adpositions (prepositions and postpositions), determiners, conjunctions, and pronouns." 03:53:27 THe again, there's obviously a gradient of closed-ness 03:53:40 personal pronouns are a lot more closed than adpositionals obviously. 03:54:04 *jcowan* nods. 03:54:11 Although in some langs even those aren't closed. 03:54:16 True 03:54:27 there's arguemnt to be made that Japanese adpositionals are in fact nouns. 03:54:33 I meant the pronouns 03:54:47 In Chinese classifiers are closed, but in Burmese they aren't. 03:54:48 Also, in Finnish like if you say 'with Lajla' you literally say 'in Lajla's company', 'with' is the inessive case of a noun technically. 03:54:56 Cool. 03:55:01 You mean the classifiers you use with counting? 03:55:04 Yes. 03:55:13 Ahh 03:55:28 I like the analysis where they just say 'In CJK languages, all nouns are mass nouns', it some-what makes sense. 03:57:03 *jcowan* agrees. 03:57:32 Yeah, I do feel people in general tend to analyse languages in a 'western perspective' if you will where it technically doesn't apply 03:57:50 As in, the 'passive voice' of Japanese as I look at it is not a voice at all, it seems to be a derivation to a new verb which just turns it around 03:57:53 idem with Finnish 03:59:37 I think in Thai the personal pronouns are not closed. 04:00:14 Hmm 04:00:30 That's sort of what I mean I guess, most likely they aren't 'pronouns' at all, but just nouns. 04:00:33 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:42 Like, in some languages 'I' would literally translate to 'this person' or something like that 04:00:42 The general history is that polite ones become rude and then get lost, and new polite ones have to be invented. 04:00:44 if you get what I mean. 04:00:49 Yes. 04:01:05 Well, that happened sort of in English and Dutch 04:01:27 Enoria [~Enoria@jte.kidradd.org] has joined #scheme 04:01:34 As far as I know 'du' used to be informal and 'jij' used to be formal, nowadays du is gone, jij is informal and 'u' is formal. 04:01:49 I didn't know du was gone. 04:02:27 In Dutch it is, in German it's obviously still going strong 04:02:34 We also have a new plural form, which literally means 'you guys' 04:02:36 Right. 04:02:38 I see some parallel going on here 04:03:00 The languages of the European _Sprachbund_ coevolve these things. 04:03:12 When was du lost? 04:05:02 Long ago, I don't think they are to be found in 1700 texts any more, not sure of the date though 04:05:09 might look that up 04:06:11 About the same as English, then. 04:06:47 Pretty much, except that most Dutch people wouldn't recognise du as easily as most English speakers recognise thou. 04:06:58 But then again, they seem to think that thou is in fact formal instead of informal 04:07:07 The linguistic phylogeneticists (Ringe, Tarnow, etc.) did a test on the modern West Germanic languages to try to work out a tree. Can't be done: there is too much homoplasy (crossover) between them. 04:07:25 If we didn't have older forms, we would have no idea of the genetic relationships. 04:07:43 These are the folks who worked out the top-level Indo-European tree 04:07:53 jcowan, you mean that you can't just tree the langauges up into common ancestors? 04:08:10 Right. Too much borrowing. 04:08:34 Yeah, this is honestly a problem with the fact that most sciences seem to work on the assumtpion of classification 04:08:42 while in reality, in all but a few cases it just isn't possible 04:08:48 you can't really classify a continuum like that 04:09:00 Which is honestly a serious and harmful problem in psychiatry I would say 04:09:41 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #scheme 04:11:25 Well, no, it turns out you can. There's not a lot of evidence, but there's enough. 04:11:48 It only works in historical sciences, though: the key is that it is not classification, but reconstruction. 04:12:54 "West Germanic" is not just a category containing certain languages, it is a claim that the predecessors of the people who speak those languages today originally spoke a single language, which is reconstructible not completely but still in great detail. 04:13:16 No, what I mean, it's a continuum so you're going to get edge cases 04:13:33 THere's going to be some point where you don't objectively decide west germanic from north germanic any more. 04:13:39 As in, the species problem 04:13:41 just as "tiger" is a claim that certain animals alive today have a common ancestor. 04:13:56 Yes, and that's also something that can't be done. 04:14:19 There may not be enough information to do it, but in principle it is determinable. 04:14:24 THe idea of 'being able to have viable offspring together' is cute but in essense if you say that 'same species' is transitive than human beings and worms are the same species. 04:14:49 No, it can't really, because you can always evolutionary trace it down until you arrive at the point where worms and human beings are the same species, you just can't do it. 04:16:59 That's true, of course. 04:17:14 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:17:21 Yeah, but it's pretty much impossible to write some literature without it 04:17:34 So you're stuck with it, even though it technically is an approximation to the point of incorrectness 04:18:25 But in the case of psychiatry, people just group some symptoms together without a real indication that they have a common cause or even correlate with each other, call it a 'mental ilness' and start diagnosing people with it for the sake of having diagnoses as they have in corporal medicine. 04:18:53 And suddenly one may ask the quaestion if 'autism' isn't in fact a billion different things with a billion different causes that just have superficially similar symptoms 04:21:40 Right; the comparative and phylogenetic methods don't work outside the historical sciences. 04:21:53 namely linguistics and biology 04:23:50 genealogy too, of course. 04:24:21 Cowans (of my family) don't form a natural class: they are, in fact, a branching individual. 04:24:49 They are not reconstructable beyond my great-grandfather, for lack of information. 04:25:02 (short of DNA profiling, which has not been done) 04:27:50 -!- GoKhlaYeh [~GoKhlaYeh@117.31.80.79.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:28:44 jcowan, well, you could I guess in biology define a clade as in, all individuals involved in some reproduction + all descendants thereof 04:28:53 It would just mean you will have many, many, many clades 04:29:08 *jcowan* nods. 04:29:21 Which is in general the problem with biology and social sciences, the matter they are investigating is so extremely complicated that you have to start to be incorrect 04:29:28 One of which, we don't know which, can be identified with _Panthera tigris_ 04:29:37 the reason mathematics is so wonderfully correct and exact is simply because it investigates very simple structures 04:29:44 *jcowan* nods. 04:30:20 Also it is foundationally useful, so when we have a problem, we usually do not change our mathematics to solve it (though in principle we could, and very occasionally do) 04:33:41 jcowan, hmm, what do you mean? 04:33:44 I do not quite follow 04:37:21 We form hypotheses and then we draw deductions from them, and test the deductions. 04:38:06 If they fail, we have to reject *something* we believe. 04:38:26 Normally, we reject the hypothesis under test, but in principle we can reject any of the hypotheses we already believe in. 04:38:38 The cost of rejecting 2 + 2 = 4 is too large to contemplate, so we don't do it. 04:38:49 But in principle it is just another hypothesis. 04:39:05 -!- arcfide [~arcfide@fl-67-233-16-36.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:39:06 kvda [~kvda@124-169-155-127.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 04:39:47 -!- Fare [~Fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:40:35 jcowan, well, define 2, 4 and '+' 04:40:51 Under the standard definition of those things, it's not just an hypothesis, it's a theorem that follows from the definition of those things. 04:41:03 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-148-123.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: What happened to Systems A through E?] 04:41:18 Of course, it becomes pretty abstract then and that 4 may not be the 4 that people think about in daily life. 04:41:25 If there is a contradiction, something has to go. You can change the definitions or the equations. 04:41:57 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@ip98-169-80-239.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:42:03 Well, you can't change definitions is the idea, you can create a new one which is then a different thing and your own work. 04:42:13 People treat definitions in reverse than what they should honestly. 04:42:31 It's not trying to specifcy what something is, it's just giving a shorter name to a set of properties which are interesting regardless how you call them. 04:42:44 If you call it '+' or frublz doesn't change what it si. 04:43:06 Oh yes. But I am talking about the scientific application of mathematics, not mathematics as an art. 04:43:22 Ah yes, in that way 04:43:33 I do agree, one can justify that mathematics is an empirical science in that sense. 04:44:36 So for example it may be that we will have to replace Euclidean geometry with non-Euclidean geometry in cosmology (the evidence is not really firm yet) 04:52:03 arrix [~arrix@61.135.165.162] has joined #scheme 04:52:23 -!- samth [~samth@c-66-31-201-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:54:24 Well, that's the beauty of mathematics, it's axiomnatic 04:54:51 It doesn't say 'x is true', it says' on the assumption that ...' 05:02:11 woonie [~woonie@spnp65097.spnp.nus.edu.sg] has joined #scheme 05:05:28 -!- Enoria [~Enoria@jte.kidradd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:09:13 Enoria [~Enoria@jte.kidradd.org] has joined #scheme 05:12:15 cswords__ [~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:14:27 And so say all the arts. 05:14:42 "On the assumption that a man named Gilgamesh existed," 05:15:29 -!- cswords_ [~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:15:40 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:20:25 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:20:30 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@ip70-162-88-143.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #scheme 05:20:30 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@ip70-162-88-143.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 05:20:30 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 05:21:33 Lajla, 1=2 05:22:33 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@95-27-192-131.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:23:32 -!- Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:23:40 jcowan, you still can t really formally reason from that in the same way. 05:23:56 True. 05:24:01 futilius [~will@99-174-253-193.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 05:24:03 Mathematics is the art of formal reasoning, but still an art. 05:27:34 A matter of definition, and therefore not interesting. =) 05:27:46 What is interesting is this 05:27:47 Ridiculous! 05:27:54 Definitions are where all the hard work goes 05:27:55 rudybot (eq? values (compose)) 05:28:02 rudybot, (eq? values (compose)) 05:28:03 Lajla: your sandbox is ready 05:28:03 Lajla: ; Value: #t 05:28:11 That never tires me. 05:28:28 rudybot, (eq? values (compose values values values values)) 05:28:29 Lajla: ; Value: #f 05:28:34 You're not that smart are you? 05:35:06 tom_i [~thomasing@ingserv.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 05:36:32 youlysses [~user@75-132-17-145.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 05:40:44 rudybot, (eq? 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(string #\f #\o #\o) (string #\f #\o #\o)) 05:42:11 Lajla: ; Value: #f 05:42:20 Okikidoki 05:45:35 confab [~confab@c-71-193-9-153.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:48:25 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:48:46 adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 05:50:29 -!- tuubow_ [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:51:05 -!- woonie [~woonie@spnp65097.spnp.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:52:54 porco [~porco@50.115.33.37] has joined #scheme 05:55:19 virl [~virl__@85-127-158-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #scheme 05:57:18 -!- porco [~porco@50.115.33.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:04:57 rudybot, what do you think about the homosexual conspiracy to undermine the American way of life? 06:04:57 Lajla: The homosexual agenda is progressing nicely. 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I was wondering how clossely Scip (in Book form) corresponds with the Lectures? (Probally gonna end up getting the actual printed text, but Im pretty sure Im gonna learn fairly strictly on that... :P) 20:07:32 *Sicp... 20:08:03 I dont know why, but I always seem to Type Scip .... 20:08:37 they're the same thing 20:08:46 you can use them together 20:09:59 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 20:10:14 Ok cool! I assumed they'd at least be *close*. 20:10:26 youlysses: You can always use the web-published SICP, too. 20:10:33 Though the printed book is worth having. 20:10:55 Little Schemer gets more advanced towards the end. 20:10:59 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-180-239.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11:19 And there's always The Seasoned Schemer and the Reasoned Schemer. 20:16:13 True. Ive actually been quite suprised on how many quality,gratis recources are in the Lisp community! 20:16:56 non-ghetto 20:17:34 :/ ...? 20:17:37 none of the schemer books are gratis 20:17:51 Just leaked? 20:18:00 huh? 20:18:12 Free as in cost? 20:18:36 free as in you're free to order it from your preferred bookseller 20:18:39 SICP is released freely 20:19:52 Maybe Ive just been impressed with SICP? 20:20:17 *Which seems like a common noob response. 20:20:30 i think many non-noobs agree 20:22:20 True, true. I personally was just ESTATIC to actually learn what it was. Ive been hearin about SICP in various places for about a year, and never knew what it was ... :P 20:25:06 futilius [~will@ip72-220-161-181.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #scheme 20:29:17 _schulte_ [~eschulte@ip98-169-80-239.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #scheme 20:29:56 /join #math 20:30:07 sorry 20:32:20 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-17-145.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:34:01 virl [~virl__@85-127-158-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #scheme 20:34:13 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 20:39:57 cswords [~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:42:28 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@ip98-169-80-239.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:57 -!- aelath [~aelath@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Quit: aelath] 20:54:22 _0bitcount [~0bitcount@213.37.172.39.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #scheme 21:00:21 -!- bfgun 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