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00:17:22 <Lajla> That's not what I'm talking about though.
00:17:38 <Lajla> I'm saying that sounds that merge often split up again, just not in the same line
00:17:51 <Lajla> See /a/ and /æ/ in English throughout its history
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00:25:40 *jcowan* nods.
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03:08:38 <dto> hello.
03:13:42 <qu1j0t3> dto: hi.
03:13:55 <dto> hey.
03:14:56 <dto> are people here generally aware of the lisp games wiki? because i would love to add more information about scheme, i know there is great stuff like opengl with racket and also schemebricks and fluxus, but someone more knowledgeable about scheme might be able to contribute info, plus it would be awesome to be able to direct lispgames.org visitors who are interested in scheme to more projects than jsut the ones i've listed
03:15:49 <dto> fluxus and schemebricks in particular are looking pretty cool and very accessible to newcomers as well
03:15:56 <dto> common lisp can be way too intimidating :(
03:16:00 <dto> hello qu1j0t3
03:17:33 <asumu> dto: that sounds interesting, I wasn't aware of it before.
03:18:08 <dto> asumu: http://lispgames.org
03:18:26 <dto> asumu: you mean the wiki or schemebricks
03:18:37 <asumu> the wiki
03:19:02 <dto> i recently got it all up to date and added a bunch of stuff. so i'm having a sort of wiki drive :)
03:19:09 <dto> plus i want to possibly have a lisp game jam this spring
03:19:23 <dto> and see if we can get schemers to do stuff
03:19:33 <asumu> dto: it could be useful to get the word out to various mailing lists too.
03:20:00 <asumu> Racket, for example, has a bigger community on its mailing list than on IRC. I'm sure Chicken and others do too.
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03:20:29 <asumu> Anyway, I like the idea.
03:20:55 <dto> hey cool. well we have an irc #lispgames , the mailing list is not much used though
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03:23:59 <schemenewb> Hi, how do I implement a high order function? I.e. what syntax do I use to write a function of n-arity (say addition). I specifically want a function, not a syntactic form.
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03:25:29 <elly> the same way you implement any other function
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03:25:54 <elly> e.g.: (define (mkadd n) (lambda (v) (+ n v))) is a higher-order function
03:29:01 <schemenewb> Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant a function of high arity. It works this way (define (f . args) (displayln args)), takes all arguments args and treats them as a list. Thank you though elly :)
03:30:03 <elly> ah, that is called a 'variadic' function
03:30:09 <elly> 'higher-order' means 'taking or returning functions'
03:30:46 <schemenewb> yeah i remembered :/ I did not know the term variadic though. Thanks, thats helpful! Have a good one
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03:39:53 <elly> you too :)
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04:35:45 <adnan_> how do i map a function that takes two arguments?
04:36:04 <ben_m> lambda
04:37:06 <ben_m> Actually, you don't even have to do that.
04:37:15 <ben_m> (map + list1 list2) works just fine
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04:40:36 <adu> hi all
04:40:53 <ben_m> hi :)
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04:43:59 <adu> ben_m: how are you?
04:44:12 <ben_m> I'm fine, thanks. And you?
04:44:50 <adu> pretty good, I'm writing a scheme
04:45:39 <adu> so far I have + and define
04:45:59 <ben_m> :)
04:46:03 <ben_m> What are you writing it in?
04:46:08 <adu> Go
04:46:28 <ben_m> Interesting
04:47:33 <adu> http://pastie.org/3572830
04:49:11 <cky> adu: Provide two lists.
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04:49:16 <cky> Oops.
04:49:19 <cky> adnan_: Provide two lists.
04:49:22 <adu> two?
04:49:35 <cky> adu: I was responding to the wrong person, sorry.
04:49:46 <cky> I usually tab complete with the first two letters only.
04:49:53 <cky> So I was trying to complete adnan_, but got you instead.
04:50:45 <adu> :)
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05:01:01 <adu> good night
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06:09:21 <namoamitabuddha> Why letrec? In R5RS, I replace letrec with let in the example in http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/, it works well.
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06:11:20 <bipt> namoamitabuddha, it shouldn't in an r5rs-compliant scheme
06:12:26 <bipt> namoamitabuddha, with `let', "The <init>s are evaluated in the current environment (in some unspecified order), the <variable>s are bound to fresh locations holding the results", whereas with letrec, "The <variable>s are bound to fresh locations holding undefined values, the <init>s are evaluated in the resulting environment (in some unspecified order), each <variable> is assigned to the result of the corresponding <init>"
06:12:33 <namoamitabuddha> bipt: Why? I don't know clearly. the even? and odd? will be calculated when called, because it's a lambda expression.
06:12:57 <bipt> namoamitabuddha, i.e., the values of the variables being bound by `let' cannot refer to other `let'-bound variables
06:13:58 <bipt> namoamitabuddha, yes, but when the lambda expressions are evaluated, `even?' and `odd?' haven't been bound yet
06:14:06 <bipt> (with `let')
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06:15:29 <bipt> namoamitabuddha, otherwise (let ((x (+ x 1))) ...) wouldn't work, for example
06:15:48 <namoamitabuddha> bipt: Oh, I see. When lambda expr is evaluated, the parent env is global. Am I right?
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06:16:23 <bipt> namoamitabuddha, yes, exactly
06:16:50 <bipt> so let can't be used for binding recursive or mutually recursive functions
06:19:03 <namoamitabuddha> One restriction on letrec is very important: it must be possible to evaluate each <init> without assigning or referring to the value of any <variable>
06:19:35 <namoamitabuddha> Does it mean we can only use letrec in binding lambda expression to refer to another var?
06:21:00 <bipt> namoamitabuddha, no, what it means is that you can't directly refer to the value of a letrec variable
06:21:12 <bipt> so (letrec ((x (* x x))) ...) is illegal
06:21:32 <namoamitabuddha> bipt: but what's not illegal?
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06:21:57 <bipt> namoamitabuddha, lambda expressions are different in that they can be evaluated if all the names mentioned within are bound, without having to know the actual value
06:22:19 <namoamitabuddha> bipt: I mean an example but a lambda expr.
06:22:34 <bipt> namoamitabuddha, _only_ lambdas are different afaik (:
06:22:39 <namoamitabuddha> bipt: s/but/except/
06:23:13 <bipt> while the initial values are being evaluated the variables are in a weird intermediate state where they're bound but undefined
06:23:43 <bipt> i guess `delay' forms would work too
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06:26:58 <namoamitabuddha> So the expression: (let ((empty (cons 'empty 'undefined))) (set-cdr! empty empty) <body>) cannot join into one.
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06:29:59 <bipt> namoamitabuddha, what do you mean by 'join into one'?
06:31:54 <namoamitabuddha> bipt: a prettier let
06:32:01 <namoamitabuddha> bipt: I don't know how to express it.
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11:27:13 <Razz> Does anyone here have a working installation of SCM on OSX (snow leopard / leopard)?
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11:33:50 <Arafangion> Razz: SCM?
11:33:50 <Arafangion> Razz: As in, Software Configuration Management?
11:34:07 <Razz> as in SCM scheme
11:34:31 <Razz> http://people.csail.mit.edu/jaffer/SCM.html
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11:43:34 <Arafangion> Interesting.
11:43:45 *Arafangion* is obviously too new to contribute.
11:44:12 <Razz> np, I guess it's curses / ncurses that's breaking my build on OSX
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12:07:29 <vot_republican> oh yeah
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18:30:47 <cky> Choysa.
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18:54:04 <offby1> galumph
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18:54:46 <cky> :-O
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19:04:12 <tomodo> http://i.imgur.com/ytRcy.gi6
19:04:25 <tomodo> did not mean to paste that here :S
19:05:10 <offby1> ooh it must be pr0n
19:05:22 <offby1> GROSS!!
19:05:25 <offby1> disgusting!
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19:11:12 <tomodo> luckily it's not :)
19:12:58 <ijp> no, it's much worse... a notification from imgur saying it's been deleted
19:13:13 <tomodo> change the 6 to an f if you're brave
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19:15:51 <offby1> reminds me of Miyazaki
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19:17:08 <ijp> rudybot: never trust a talking cat
19:17:08 <rudybot> ijp: isomer, I just lost my trust in it. But I think it's fair to say that python-mode is the most popular python mode for emacs
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19:20:10 <offby1> and yet my cats never lie.  They say "gimme tuna" and sure enough, they really do want tuna, every time.
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19:26:21 <jcowan> That's what makes us humans different: sometimes we say "gimme" and we are lying.
19:31:05 <levi> offby1: My cats often say 'gimme tuna' and turn their noses up at it after giving it a sniff or two.
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19:33:02 <````````> they didnt mean 'any old tuna'
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19:40:36 <offby1> levi: well, OK, there is that.  I was simplifying my story to make a point.
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20:04:46 <levi> Sorry, I missed the context, but there seemed to be a very gross oversimplification of cat behavior involved. ;)
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