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destroyed. What's next? 20:38:08 just a moon at first, to let them know we're serious 20:39:26 i was thinking more along the lines of http://www.realultimatepower.net/ 20:39:38 pothos_ [~pothos@114-36-245-37.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 20:39:59 -!- pothos [~pothos@114-36-243-39.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:40:05 -!- pothos_ is now known as pothos 20:40:16 langmartin [~user@host-68-169-155-216.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 20:41:22 ijp: ...did you really miss the reference? :-) 20:42:00 no, it was a timing caused by not looking at the screen 20:42:08 :-) 20:42:30 -!- metasyntax|work [~taylor@fw-its-kt209a-2.dyn.ipfw.edu] has quit [Quit: The Spark of Deity ignites in our hands!] 20:42:56 -!- jcowan [c6b912cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.185.18.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:45:03 -!- crdueck [~cdk@129-97-210-60.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:46:27 molbdnilo [~Ove@c80-216-198-111.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 20:49:09 turbofail: I think I saw something along that line called "sushi's logics" or something 20:50:01 but it's been a while, maybe I'm misremembering 20:51:26 wait is this in response to the "lamba the real ultimate power" thing or what i suggested in #emacs? 20:51:28 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:51:43 "lambda the real ultimate power" 20:51:59 hm 20:52:46 ah, found it 20:53:27 it appears to be a really poorly typeset PDF 20:54:03 with random drawings of prepubescent japanese girls interspersed 20:54:31 keenbug [~daniel@p4FE3AEB5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 20:54:38 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@ip98-169-80-239.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:54:41 i probably shouldn't have opened that at work 20:55:12 yeah that sounds like it 20:56:29 -!- rostayob [~rostayob@host86-137-12-126.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:56:50 -!- Fare [~Fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:56:55 jcowan [c6b912cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.185.18.207] has joined #scheme 21:00:21 -!- molbdnilo [~Ove@c80-216-198-111.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: molbdnilo] 21:01:29 I remember assuming the guy was insane 21:03:49 cswords [~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:04:03 fds [~fds@tickle.compsoc.man.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 21:13:03 yeah 21:13:23 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 21:16:34 djcb` [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 21:25:55 rageous [~Adium@65-128-200-54.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 21:28:00 -!- keenbug [~daniel@p4FE3AEB5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:38:47 -!- mgodshall [~quassel@76.161.200.249] has quit [Quit: gurgle gurgle] 21:41:21 -!- tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:10 djcb`` [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 21:45:43 -!- djcb` [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:46:23 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-179.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50:31 molbdnilo [~Ove@c80-216-198-111.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 21:52:57 -!- Skola [~bas@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:54:14 -!- tuubow_ [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:54:20 rostayob [~rostayob@host86-137-8-177.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 21:56:34 -!- molbdnilo [~Ove@c80-216-198-111.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: molbdnilo] 21:58:02 jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-148-123.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:59:55 lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #scheme 22:01:31 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has left #scheme 22:06:45 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-155-216.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:08:06 gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable034.210-160-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 22:09:23 -!- gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable034.210-160-184.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:41 -!- ijp [~user@host86-162-111-60.range86-162.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:33 ijp [~user@host86-162-111-60.range86-162.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 22:23:17 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:25:50 -!- asdfhjkl [~bob@i5E879AE1.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:27:30 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:29:43 -!- djcb`` [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:52 gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable034.210-160-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 22:39:32 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 22:43:33 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:45:41 -!- gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable034.210-160-184.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:48:30 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 22:52:58 g 22:53:07 er, sorry 22:59:57 The letter 'g' has a particularly interesting background. The latin script as you may know is based on the Greek script and few Latin words feature the 'k' glyph even though it's part of the Latn alphabet (Kalendae being a notable exception), the reasoning behind that is that the original voiced sound of the Greek Gamma was written with the 'c' hence it's the third Latin of the Latin alphabet corresponding to the place of the Gamma, whereas the K 22:59:57 sound of the Kappa was written with the K. 23:00:33 However, duriging the period of old Latin, both sounds merged, meaning that the K became obsolete and the C was henceforth used for all instances except in some words. 23:00:34 has klutometis changed his nick? 23:00:54 or is it perhaps a brother? 23:01:01 However during the classical period they split up again, necessecitating a new letter to marked the voiced sound, this was G, which in that time was just C, with an extra stroke. 23:01:19 ijp: klutometis not detected 23:06:21 That's an oversimplification. Latin got its alphabet from Etruscan, which did not have voiced stops, so gamma was used for /k/. 23:07:17 Specifically, gamma for /ke/ /ki/, kappa for /ka/ and qoppa for /ku/. (Etruscan had no /o/.) 23:07:52 Latin did have voiced stops, and so developed a letter that was put in the place of the unnecessary letter Z. (This was added back at the end much later for use in Greek borrowings.) 23:08:27 *ijp* grabs some popcorn for the nerd fight :P 23:09:29 C as in Gamma was originally used for /g/ and K for /k/ as far as I know but they merged. 23:09:44 The Latin script had both and originally in its earliest incarnations 23:10:25 Sure, before "a" because that was Etruscan style, but eventually they started to write /ka/ as "ca" not "ka". 23:10:41 K. remained the abbreviation for Kalends and the name Caeso. 23:10:57 and C. for the name Gaius. 23:11:37 Such things are very conservative. But there was no phonetic merger of /k/ and /g/ in Latin. 23:13:52 -!- dzhus [~sphinx@176.14.94.92] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:17:33 There's a story that G was first written by one Spurius Carvilius Ruga, a Greek freedman who ran an elementary school. He probably got tired of explaining how his name was pronounced "Ruga" and spelled RVCA. 23:18:01 It's more likely that G already existed and he standardized its use. 23:21:42 Ahaha 23:21:45 If you say so. 23:25:05 annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:25:05 -!- annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:25:06 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 23:26:30 Welease Wodger. 23:30:28 -!- zanes [~zane@76.8.92.250] has quit [] 23:31:40 -!- ijp [~user@host86-162-111-60.range86-162.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: restarting computer] 23:34:49 Alternatively, G may not be a modified C at all, graphically speaking, but a modified Z recycled for a new purpose. 23:35:24 It's a firm rule of historical linguistics that once phonemes merge, there is no "memory" of what they used to be, and they don't split again, or if they do, it's along a new fissure line. 23:35:40 "Duke of York" examples do exist, but are extraordinarily rare. 23:36:03 Sometimes a distinction gets reborrowed from another dialect that wasn't affected by the merger. 23:36:35 This explains how CLOTH and THOUGHT merged in older RP pronunciation, but CLOTH is now merged with LOT. 23:37:12 *jcowan* is one of those irritating people for whom CLOTH=THOUGHT still, but distinct from LOT=PALM, thus making the CLOTH set necessary at all. 23:37:22 s/now merged/now once again merged/ 23:38:10 jcowan, well, they split, but not in the same line 23:38:15 If you get what I mean 23:38:26 not the same word get the K and the C back 23:38:40 K was retained only in a few relics. 23:39:05 ijp [~user@host86-162-111-60.range86-162.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 23:41:13 namely kalendae (and its derivatives) and the place names Kalo and Karthago, and even then not always. 23:41:37 And koppa, the obsolete Greek letter that was the source of Q, also not always. 23:43:23 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 23:43:53 It seems to me that you are confusing what happened with the letters K and C/G with what happened to the sounds /k/ and /g/.