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[brendyn@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:65b4] has joined #scheme 08:50:29 how can I combine two lists '(1 2 3) '(5 6) with the * operator so that I get '(5 10 15 6 12 18)? 08:51:04 like in haskell [x * y | x <- [1,2,3], y <- [5,6]]? 09:20:35 kind of matrix multiplication? 09:23:55 -!- amgarching [~matveev@theo1.theochem.tu-muenchen.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:26:28 -!- dous [~dous@unaffiliated/dous] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:30:56 namoamitabuddha [~namoamita@116.230.16.162] has joined #scheme 09:31:33 How to define like this: (define a (cons a 1)) 09:37:22 -!- namoamitabuddha [~namoamita@116.230.16.162] has left #scheme 09:37:39 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:45:58 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-130-25.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47:30 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-130-25.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 09:50:25 stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has 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The structure I'm after is A = [1 | B], B = [2 | A]. 13:26:48 Is it possible to do in a let-something expression? I want to do it without set-car! / set-cdr! 13:34:35 Aune: I think Racket provides something for this, but I can't remember the name 13:34:38 you can't do it without set 13:35:01 unless you use CWCC or something 13:35:09 tomodo, Darn, was hoping there was some let-form for that 13:35:11 Aune: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/shared.html 13:35:19 but why 13:35:22 > (shared ([a (cons 1 b)] 13:35:22 [b (cons 2 a)]) 13:35:22 a) 13:35:24 #0='(1 2 . #0#) 13:35:29 do you know about LETREC? 13:35:35 letrec doesn't help 13:35:38 this doesn't let you do what you're trying to do, but it might help you anyway 13:36:15 letrec can create mutually-recursive sets of lambdas, because each lambda can be defined by only knowing -that- the other names exist, without needing the values they are bound to 13:36:19 Aune: racket provides that as a way to construct circular structures being that their pairs are immutable 13:36:28 Do you not have a (cyclic-list ) ? 13:37:03 shared looks right. letrec gives A = [1 | #undefined], B = [2 | A] 13:38:38 IMHO letrec ought to blow up in that case, and throw some runtime error 13:38:40 Mine does 13:39:21 (letrec ([listA (cons 1 listB)][listB (cons 2 listA)]) (begin (display listA) (display listB))) - gave the mentioned result. 13:40:39 tizoc, sounds nice 13:42:47 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.136.192] has joined #scheme 13:44:45 -!- daveo [~daveo@97.73.171.234] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:46:10 snizzo [~quassel@iglu.cc.uniud.it] has joined #scheme 13:49:43 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-38-111.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 13:56:33 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 13:58:18 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 14:08:00 -!- masm [~masm@bl17-206-188.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:08:26 masm [~masm@bl17-206-188.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 14:08:43 -!- masm [~masm@bl17-206-188.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Client Quit] 14:12:22 dme 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[~chatzilla@c-98-202-35-176.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:53:35 chromaticwt [~user@71-222-151-95.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 21:54:33 shaunxcode [~chatzilla@c-98-202-35-176.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:55:00 it's so difficult to get started 21:55:21 I want to make a grid (like for a boardgame) and I got the SDL lib for chicken and tested it (it works) 21:55:31 am I doing the right thing so far? 21:56:42 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 21:59:44 I wouldn't care for SDL. You should have something to display the results, and it can be SDL, but what you should be concerned first are the abstractions. What's a grid? What is it composed of? And define operators to make and manipulate them. TO get concrete results, some of those operators will have to use SDL or something else, but that's irrelevant. 22:00:14 You could as well use display and newline to generate an ASCII-art grid. 22:00:16 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-105.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 22:00:31 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has left #scheme 22:00:33 pjb: I want to use scheme arrays for a grid 22:00:52 Again, this has absolutely no importance at all! 22:01:01 you just asked me lol 22:01:04 Define a grid in its own terms, not in scheme terms! 22:01:26 I want to try about alpha-beta algorithm 22:01:27 It doesn't matter whether you use arrays, lists, hash-table or whatever. 22:01:31 so I thought I make an AI for it 22:05:35 -!- tuubow_ [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:08:11 tomodo: i have been disagreeing with pjb a lot recently but i think he's right in this case :) 22:08:22 play around with your problem and how you represent it 22:08:28 then play around with its presentation 22:08:40 both things are fun (modeling and presentation) 22:08:43 Betawolf [~betawolf@li151-44.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 22:08:58 you might also like #chicken, if you are using that implementation 22:09:16 yeah I use chicken it seems good 22:09:32 I want fast arrays 22:10:02 rostayob [~rostayob@dyn1220-207.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 22:10:27 *qu1j0t3* prefers slow ones 22:12:42 hee hee 22:13:11 WHOA THER PARDNER. we don't traverse like that in this town. 22:23:27 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:28:50 -!- HG` [~HG@dsbg-4db59b3b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:43:26 *offby1* had a "hash stack" for breakfast. No, really. 22:43:40 orly 22:44:14 It's funny because I only ordered N 22:45:01 we're all trying to figure out a funny poignant response 22:45:12 . 22:47:28 how ccome my SDL window opens 22:47:47 at the cornet of the screem? 22:47:50 I want it in the center 22:48:32 & i want it now, now, doo doo doom doo doo 22:48:52 *wingo* engages brian may air guitar 22:48:55 -!- Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:49:01 ahaa 22:50:13 Don't know what I want but I know how to get it (viz: functional programming) 22:50:25 *offby1* stomps feet and claps 22:50:53 virl [~virl__@85-127-83-75.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #scheme 22:53:13 diverging... 22:53:39 "and if you have faults, defects, arthritis, rheumatism, just lay them on the heap" 22:54:36 the garbage collector not only collects, it recollects, dig 23:01:02 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-105.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:01:09 -!- rostayob [~rostayob@dyn1220-207.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:01:54 tuubow_ [~adityavit@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #scheme 23:02:40 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-105.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 23:03:43 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-105.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03:50 just wondering... how do I loop for x and y from 0 to 18?? 23:04:07 I can write it out using let but that's long 23:05:06 write a mcro 23:05:10 write a macro* 23:09:32 that's a terrible answer ;-) 23:09:54 i downloadeda loop macro 23:09:58 `do' works 23:10:05 names let works 23:10:09 foof-loop works 23:11:12 realitygrill [~realitygr@c-98-250-113-190.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:12:52 write a macro or use somebody else's macro* 23:14:21 *named let 23:16:53 kvda [~kvda@124-171-36-73.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 23:20:53 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@c-98-250-113-190.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 23:23:12 wingo: well yes, but i assumed he'd tried that and didn't like it. 23:24:59 to clarify, i only meant to correct my response, not yours :) 23:25:05 o 23:26:02 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:29:15 rostayob [~rostayob@dyn1203-6.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 23:32:15 -!- tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:37:10 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:37:47 (sqrt (length (for*/list ([x (in-range 0 18)][y (in-range 0 18)]) (cons x y)))) 23:37:56 rudybot: (sqrt (length (for*/list ([x (in-range 0 18)][y (in-range 0 18)]) (cons x y)))) 23:37:57 offby1: your sandbox is ready 23:37:57 offby1: ; Value: 18 23:38:00 *offby1* whistles innocently 23:38:16 that's specific to racket 23:38:20 as far as I know. 23:45:21 -!- bfgun [~b_fin_g@r186-48-231-161.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:45:36 CampinSa1 [~CampinSam@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 23:45:38 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-105.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 23:46:52 -!- CampinSam [~CampinSam@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 23:47:00 -!- CampinSa1 is now known as CampinSam 23:48:06 zedstar_ [~john@zedstar.com] has joined #scheme 23:49:45 zbigniew_ [~zb@3e8.org] has joined #scheme 23:49:45 #;2> (for-each (lambda (i) (for-each (lambda (j) (print i "," j)) (iota 2))) (iota 2)) 23:49:47 0,0 23:49:49 0,1 23:49:51 1,0 23:49:53 1,1 23:50:12 dwyer [~dwyer@tsunami.OCF.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #scheme 23:50:43 C-Keen_ [cckeen@pestilenz.org] has joined #scheme 23:50:53 welcome chicken people 23:51:09 amoe_ [~amoe@host-92-26-163-129.as13285.net] has joined #scheme 23:51:23 -!- dwyer [~dwyer@tsunami.OCF.Berkeley.EDU] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:51:52 otakutom_ [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 23:51:54 muep_ [twingo@otitsun.oulu.fi] has joined #scheme 23:52:15 -!- mmc1 [~michal@178-85-131-65.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:53:44 rotty__ [rotty@de.xx.vu] has joined #scheme 23:54:14 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@27.83.117.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:54:14 -!- zedstar [~john@fsf/member/zedstar] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:54:14 -!- amoe [~amoe@host-78-147-162-32.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:54:14 -!- zbigniew [~zb@3e8.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:54:14 -!- zerd [~zerd@212.117.165.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:54:14 -!- muep [twingo@otitsun.oulu.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:14 -!- rotty [rotty@de.xx.vu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:54:14 -!- C-Keen [cckeen@pestilenz.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:54:21 -!- C-Keen_ is now known as C-Keen 23:55:17 zerd [~zerd@rex.zerd.net] has joined #scheme 23:55:51 qu1j0t3: not the chicken-people! 23:56:22 apropos: http://xkcd.com/1013/ 23:59:09 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme