00:06:38 snizzo [~quassel@host39-238-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 00:08:15 what is the most widely used scheme interpretor? 00:13:16 chromaticwt: good question. I use Chicken. 00:13:25 probably racket 00:16:38 most liekly racket, otherwise maybe guile too 00:17:12 *CampinSam* wouldn't know though :3 00:23:08 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-38-111.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 00:23:11 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-38-111.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23:30 what is the best implementation to use when reading sicp, or does it really matter? 00:25:43 for most things any reasonable implementation will do 00:26:09 though you may have to make a few aliases, etc 00:28:13 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-38-111.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 00:28:21 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:28:54 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-38-111.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:29:01 chromaticwt: i've found chicken just fine so far. 00:29:07 chromaticwt: (for that) 00:36:27 chicken translates scheme to c right? 00:38:02 it can. it also has an interpreter, csi. 00:41:38 -!- 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00:58:52 #;1> (* 123456 123456 12346 98765) 00:58:54 18584622501684387840 01:08:10 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-4-247.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:10:50 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #scheme 01:16:18 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-4-247.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 01:19:15 that isn't working for me 01:19:26 cannot import from undefined module numbers 01:19:30 it says 01:21:03 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-4-247.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:22:30 does racket have support for large numbers? 01:23:13 yes 01:25:41 chromaticwt: you need to sudo chicken-install numbers first. 01:28:16 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-4-247.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 01:30:57 ok 01:34:22 teurastaja [~chatzilla@modemcable168.103-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 01:40:43 bigfg [~b_fin_g@r186-52-184-77.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 01:44:13 -!- bfgun 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05:20:22 phao [phao@189.98.144.229] has joined #scheme 05:24:18 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-211-43.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 05:26:30 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-151-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:28:46 -!- erjiang [~erjiang@7.80.244.66.jest.smithvilledigital.net] has quit [Quit: ttfn] 05:36:48 are formal parameters to procedures truly variables? 05:36:56 (square x) 05:37:01 is x truly a variable? 05:40:06 djcb` [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 05:41:53 -!- djcb [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:51:33 ThePawnBreak [~quassel@94.177.108.25] has joined #scheme 05:54:26 tom_i [~thomasing@ingserv.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 05:57:59 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.205.249] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 06:08:05 jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.240] has joined #scheme 06:14:56 chromaticwt: I'm not a big fan of realism 06:21:21 is there any reason to use let instead of let*? 06:22:25 I mean, you might end up adding a binding that depended on a previous binding, so just using let* in the first place would save you having to remember to change let to let* 06:25:25 djcb`` [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 06:27:11 -!- djcb` [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:39:21 chromaticwt, what do you mean by that? 06:39:28 strictly speaking, yes 06:39:36 to use x, you need it bound, thus it's a variable 06:41:48 chromaticwt, the r5rs "standard" is very simple to read. Check out section 3.4 06:48:47 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-176-60.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 06:51:14 -!- jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:54:52 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.39.148] has joined #scheme 06:54:52 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.39.148] has quit [Changing host] 06:54:52 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 06:57:54 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Disconnected by services] 06:57:54 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@87.247.52.163] has joined #scheme 06:57:55 -!- attila_lendvai1 is now known as attila_lendvai 06:57:55 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.52.163] has quit [Changing host] 06:57:55 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 07:06:58 -!- ysph [~user@mobile-166-147-126-139.mycingular.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:07:08 SRFI-9 leaves a bit to be desired 07:07:46 why not a function that takes a function and a record field, applies the function to the field, and sets the field to the new value? 07:08:07 -!- djcb`` [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:11:34 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-211-43.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:15:09 whh [~wh@112.91.81.82] has joined #scheme 07:17:43 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-180-229.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 07:33:12 nyingen: i was just reading that 07:33:40 -!- tom_i [~thomasing@ingserv.demon.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:34:33 nyingen: have you seen r6rs records? 07:35:44 adu: no 07:36:06 I'm fairly new to scheme and have only read r5rs and r7rs so far 07:36:13 http://www.r6rs.org/final/html/r6rs-lib/r6rs-lib-Z-H-7.html 07:36:54 there is no r7rs 07:37:18 there's a draft 07:37:56 the chibi-scheme docs referred to r7rs, and eventually I was able to track it down 07:44:04 nyingen, btw 07:44:17 if you're reading implementations in a srfi 07:44:23 know that what is in there is only a suggestion 07:44:59 how things are actually done depends heavily on the implementation, for example, srfi-1 in chicken is actually implemented in C IIRC 07:45:42 -!- snorble_ [~snorble@c193-14-18-68.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:48:11 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:48:14 preflex_ [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 07:49:00 -!- preflex_ is now known as preflex 07:49:11 phao: I see. Good to know. 07:49:42 nyingen, these suggestions sometimes won't even give you the sort of behavior that you want, but are not specified. 07:49:56 Check out the suggestions for bytevectors, I don't recal the number of the srfi 07:50:59 nyingen, I think it's this one 07:51:02 http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-66/srfi-66.html 07:52:23 nyingen, you'd expect to have something like really blocks of memory with very strict sizing rules (at least I do), but the implementation doesn't reflect that. 07:53:13 interesting 07:53:19 Not that one! 07:53:24 found the one I was talking about 07:53:27 http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-4/srfi-4.html 07:53:45 for example 07:53:59 u16vector (datatype) unsigned exact integer in the range 0 to (2^16)-1 (explanation of data type) 07:54:09 for a vector of u16, 07:54:52 I'd expect each element of it to hold a 16bits block of memory. maybe it's wrapped around something else, but I'd like to have this guarantee that there is a block of 2bytes somewhere 07:55:21 and if I write that to a file, or over a network, I get the 2bytes in the file, or network; or if I send that over a port, I get 2 bytes sent, etc. 07:55:55 if you check this implementation, suggested, nothing of that is met. Although the srfi doesn't define these things afaik, that's why I'd wanna use these vectors 07:56:00 so I'd expect that. 07:56:30 djcb [djcb@nat/nokia/x-rshonvpuiytdfnpr] has joined #scheme 07:57:29 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 07:58:29 -!- fgudin [~fgudin@odin.sdf-eu.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:59:17 phao: I see what you mean 07:59:50 though from what I've seen of scheme so far, I'd be very surprised to see such implementation details in a srfi :) 08:00:39 yeah... 08:00:59 generally, if you want more detail as to how things behave, you have to check with your implementation. 08:01:04 right 08:01:24 but generally, if you're programming in scheme, you wanna keep this sort of things simple 08:02:14 I mean, not rely on size of objects. 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12:10:35 (define (pow-2 x) (pow 2 x)) (every pow-2 '(1 2 3 4 5)) 12:10:51 would that be the only way? 12:11:04 so, use a specialized lambda? 12:11:37 (every (lambda (x) (pow 2 x)) '(1 2 3 4 5)) 12:12:01 that makes sense and it works. 12:12:59 Some languages have "auto-lambdas", though scheme isn't one. 12:13:30 E.g. in such a language you could (every (pow 2 ^x) '(1 2 3 4 5)) and the ^x is a "placeholder", it turns its expression into a lambda in one parameter 12:15:56 -!- tom_i [~thomasing@cmc.beaming.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:17:57 tom_i [~thomasing@cmc.beaming.biz] has joined #scheme 12:30:56 see SRFI-26 12:32:27 dous [~dous@unaffiliated/dous] has joined #scheme 12:32:56 kuribas [~user@d54C43316.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 12:45:33 ticking [~janpaulbu@87.253.189.132] has joined #scheme 12:51:09 -!- djcb [djcb@nat/nokia/x-rshonvpuiytdfnpr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:51:19 chromaticwt: the way you talk about `every' it seems to me you're confusing it with `map'. Also IIRC `every' isn't a function such that it can terminate early. 12:52:29 hkBst_: of course every can exit early, if a single condition is false :) 12:53:24 rudybot!!!! 12:53:43 leppie: yeah, don't know what I was thinking there :) 12:54:35 perhaps you meant map is not suppose to exit early, but there is no reason it cant :p 12:54:51 call/cc, anything is possible :) 12:55:09 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.163.21.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:55:12 djcb [djcb@nat/nokia/x-hmvakjksvjfkiasl] has joined #scheme 12:55:45 -!- ccorn_ [~ccorn@dhcp-077-249-189-185.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn_] 12:56:31 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 12:58:08 wingo [~wingo@90.163.21.206] has joined #scheme 13:03:11 EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@190.244.3.40] has joined #scheme 13:07:25 tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has joined #scheme 13:14:04 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:14:27 (define (f x) 13:14:47 (every (lambda (n) (pow x n)) '(1 2 3 4 5))) 13:14:56 how can I pass the upper x into the inner lambda? 13:15:15 What? 13:15:25 :) 13:15:25 What's wrong with: (define (f x) (every (lambda (n) (pow x n)) '(1 2 3 4 5))) ? 13:16:52 does that work? I didn't think that that even worked. 13:17:15 I the outer parameter x isn't passed into the inner lambda. 13:17:16 Go read r5rs and htdp 13:17:26 cdidd [~cdidd@89-178-196-167.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 13:17:28 ok 13:18:53 I'm actually reading simply scheme right now. 13:19:12 sounds like you reading a LISP manual ;p 13:19:47 I was just trying to figure out how do to something that is impossible. 13:20:27 using 'every' there is surely incorrect :p looks like you want 'map' 13:20:53 ok 13:21:03 chromaticwt: the lambda should see the x 13:21:16 chromaticwt: and as leppie said, you probably want map 13:21:18 'every' epects the proc to return true or false 13:21:18 If it's inside the parentheses, its visible. 13:21:26 That's what lexical binding means. 13:21:30 excepts 13:21:42 pow always return true, so that every will return true. 13:21:46 at\rgghhhh 13:21:47 leppie: you mean expect 13:21:53 keybaord is funky 13:21:55 :p 13:22:06 needs to go into dishwasher 13:24:08 I just tried it and the lambda does seem to see the x. 13:24:26 -!- tom_i [~thomasing@cmc.beaming.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:24:27 surprise! 13:24:38 welcome to a whole new world :p 13:24:41 bytbox [~s@129.2.129.227] has joined #scheme 13:25:03 but, if I did (lambda (x) (pow ...)) 13:25:25 now you when you understand the concept, you will know why closres are the poor man's classes 13:25:28 that new x seems to override the upper one. 13:25:34 tom_i [~thomasing@cmc.beaming.biz] has joined #scheme 13:25:36 chromaticwt: correct 13:25:43 lexical scoping as was said 13:26:13 A common pattern you see is: (let f ((l l)) ...) 13:32:32 chromaticwt: which scheme are you using? 13:36:54 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-180-229.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:38:32 ccorn [~ccorn@dhcp-077-249-189-185.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 13:45:33 guile 13:46:01 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@dhcp-077-249-189-185.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 13:46:28 I just started learning scheme and just started simply scheme this week, I should be done by the end of the week. then I'm going to start sicp. 13:46:47 ccorn [~ccorn@dhcp-077-249-189-185.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 13:46:56 SICP is quite nice to start from 13:46:56 jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-151-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 13:47:01 -!- rostayob [~rostayob@dyn1200-225.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:47:23 sicp seemed more attractive to me than htdp. 13:47:52 then when I finished sicp, I was going to take a look @ r5rs. 13:48:43 Yah; R5 is a reference, not really a learning guide :) 13:49:45 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@dhcp-077-249-189-185.chello.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 13:49:48 -!- drwho [~drwho@216-122-174-206.gci.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:49:59 simply scheme, I guess, is the prequil to sicp. and has a foward by one of sicp's authors. 13:50:04 drwho [~drwho@216-122-174-206.gci.net] has joined #scheme 13:50:11 that's why I started with that book first. 13:53:44 dca [~user@178-16-156-18.obit.ru] has joined #scheme 13:58:30 snizzo [~quassel@iglu.cc.uniud.it] has joined #scheme 14:01:20 -!- tom_i [~thomasing@cmc.beaming.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:04:19 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-180-229.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 14:05:31 langmartin [~user@99-44-249-121.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 14:06:46 fhd [~fhd@vserver2179.vserver-on.de] has joined #scheme 14:10:39 tom_i [~thomasing@cmc.beaming.biz] has joined #scheme 14:13:38 -!- ticking [~janpaulbu@87.253.189.132] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:14:17 -!- fhd [~fhd@vserver2179.vserver-on.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:14:39 fhd [~fhd@vserver2179.vserver-on.de] has joined #scheme 14:15:12 ticking [~janpaulbu@87.253.189.132] has joined #scheme 14:15:44 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 14:15:59 -!- ticking [~janpaulbu@87.253.189.132] has quit [Client Quit] 14:26:36 -!- snizzo [~quassel@iglu.cc.uniud.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:41 kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has joined #scheme 14:41:22 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-151-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:43:15 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.133.45] has joined #scheme 14:44:11 -!- ASau [~user@95-24-183-229.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:44:51 ASau [~user@95-24-183-229.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 14:46:21 jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-151-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 14:47:37 ijp [~user@host86-168-33-244.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 14:48:53 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 14:51:22 GoKhlaYeh [~GoKhlaYeh@135.51.68.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #scheme 15:00:39 woonie [~woonie@nusnet-212-128.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has joined #scheme 15:04:53 -!- bigfg [~b_fin_g@r186-52-158-225.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:08:30 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:15:36 -!- kanru_ is now known as kanru 15:16:40 snizzo [~quassel@iglu.cc.uniud.it] has joined #scheme 15:17:53 bigfg [~b_fin_g@r190-135-45-34.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 15:19:24 preflex_ [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 15:20:34 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:20:37 arameus [steph@cpe-184-153-14-33.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 15:20:53 snorble_ [~snorble@c193-14-18-68.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 15:20:56 -!- preflex_ is now known as preflex 15:31:02 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 15:35:59 I am having a problem. This code (http://paste.pocoo.org/show/550303/) works fine in Racket via DrRacket, but when I switch to R5RS mode it fails. How am I supposed to use this sort of optional argument in scheme? 15:36:29 I have an easier time understanding code than explanation, so if someone could show me the code I would be ecstatic 15:37:49 I am a complete beginner by the way, first day of using any kind of Lisp, so sorry if my code is awful 15:38:33 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-151-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:38:51 r5rs doesn't specify a method of doing optional arguments, other than parsing rest lists 15:38:51 (define (fib limit a b) (let ((a (if (or (not a) (null? a) (eq? a 'nil)) 0 a))) )) 15:39:03 (fib 42 'nil ) 15:39:13 -!- woonie [~woonie@nusnet-212-128.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:39:35 Ahhh, so undefined variables are null in Scheme 15:39:40 It's hard, since r5rs doesn't have nil, it has empty lists or false boolean. 15:39:41 no 15:40:03 (define nil '()) could help. 15:40:57 just use #lang racket for now, it'll save you a lot of headache 15:42:30 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-1-147.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:44:44 r6rs at least has case-lambda, but if you insist on r5rs http://paste.lisp.org/display/127748 15:45:06 generalising to a let-optionals macro is left as an exercise 15:45:40 pjb: in what way is that optional arguments? 15:46:04 I see, you give it a list of optional length and if the list is empty, you assign the default arguments of choice 15:46:17 pjb: at all times the function requires three arguments 15:47:13 arameus: that is the most portable way of doing it. It's also beyond ugly. 15:47:32 jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.240] has joined #scheme 15:48:30 it can be macroed away to something equivalent to the version define racket provides, but if I were you I'd just use the builtin one 15:49:31 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-38-111.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 15:52:09 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 11.0/20120201153158]] 15:52:15 I just can't get into Racket. The only reason I have a Racket interpretor is because DrRacket was the easiest thing to install on my girlfriend's Windows box and I knew it comes with an r5rs mode. 15:52:26 It gives me the same "dirty" feeling that C++ gives me 15:52:53 Because it has heaps of extra goop? 15:52:58 ,salespitch 15:53:03 err, wrong channel 15:53:06 lol 15:56:39 metasyntax|work [~taylor@fw-its-kt209a-2.dyn.ipfw.edu] has joined #scheme 15:59:19 arameus: that it's build by people getting work done? 16:00:13 rostayob [~rostayob@dyn1201-32.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 16:00:13 :) 16:00:42 Haha, I didnt want to say anything cause I was afraid of starting a religious war. No, that is not why. As a sysadmin I code mostly in Bash, Python, Perl, and languages like that. I have no qualms with C++ and I see why it is valuable. I just don't enjoy it for personal, recreational use. 16:01:20 It is a fine language and everyone is a snowflake, you know the drill 16:02:26 the only similarities i see between c++ and racket is that both are actively evolving; not something that can be said about r5rs :) 16:03:41 woonie [~woonie@nusnet-212-128.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has joined #scheme 16:04:39 It's kinda hard to answer criticism when all you're told is that it gives someone a "dirty" feeling 16:05:40 -!- karswell__ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:00 wingo: well, both use the < character as well 16:06:09 karswell__ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 16:06:24 oh snap! 16:08:15 ijp: indeed, my dislike is completely irrational. I don't know why I dislike it, honestly. C++ I dislike because I find the simplicity of C to be more beautiful, and to give me more pleasure. If I had to program something for which C++ was better I would use C++, but for home use I just use the one that makes me happy. 16:09:55 :) 16:10:43 there's something essentially irrational about programming language choice i think, tribal even... 16:11:29 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-148-186.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:11:30 people tend to define themselves by the tools they use... see the craft guilds in the middle ages 16:11:58 and compared to that "IT" still is in the middle ages ;) 16:14:05 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-176-60.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:14:23 wingo: I've often thought it met orwells definition of nationalism 16:18:20 see the republic of haskell ;) 16:18:35 hee hee :) 16:19:30 and Scheme is a bunch of warring city states 16:20:06 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has left #scheme 16:23:15 the more i find out about concurrency, the more terrifying it gets 16:23:29 X-Scale 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