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05:35:37 *offby1: wgnuplot already resides in a path without spaces 05:35:47 I see. 06:05:22 freakazoid [~seanl@c-67-164-106-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:10:53 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 06:25:40 -!- EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@190.244.19.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:31:50 -!- drdo [~user@85.207.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:32:42 confab_ [~win7@c-24-10-60-185.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:32:51 -!- confab [~win7@c-24-10-60-185.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:33:08 -!- confab_ is now known as confab 06:45:53 "comefrom" in Scheme: 06:45:56 06:41:43 < cky> So, I'm imagining this: 06:45:56 06:41:49 < cky> (for my Scheme version) 06:45:56 06:42:33 < cky> label is a function that takes a given symbol, and looks up that symbol in a comefrom table. 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10:20:56 the problem defines a 'new-if' procedure that tries to replace the normal if operator 10:21:26 it then puts this in to a procedure that determines the square root of a number by newton's method 10:21:40 and asks what happens and why it happens. 10:22:13 it turns out that you get a stack-overflow, at least in guile, but i can't figure out why this is since there should be a termination point for the recursion 10:23:43 woonie [~woonie@nusnet-199-161.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has joined #scheme 10:31:35 JonRob: I'm reading SICP too and I've figured that most of the exercises shouldn't be done on paper (and possibly with a teacher who'll evaluate your work). 10:31:51 s/shouldn't/should/ 10:33:20 kudkudyak - hmm, unfortunately a teacher is out of the question although I agree, it would be helpful! 10:33:31 as for working through on paper... i've tried 10:33:41 GoKhlayeh [~GoKhlayeh@33.31.80.79.rev.sfr.net] has joined #scheme 10:33:49 Well, "what happens?" - as you've observed - infinite recursion probably :) 10:33:50 but still puzzled by this! 10:34:21 well... do you have it in front of you? 10:34:31 i guess it's useful if you can see it too? 10:34:46 Yes, I've looking at the exercise. 10:35:22 `Why can't I just define it as an ordinary procedure in terms ofcond?''  10:35:34 that's the one :-) 10:35:37 The arguments of a procedure are always evaluated, before the procedure is applied to them. 10:36:45 In the new-iter procedure, the new-if procedure has a recursive call to new-iter. 10:36:53 ah... so the procedure tries to evaluate sqrt-iter before it decided whether or not it should based on good-enough? 10:36:55 That's my guess. :) 10:37:24 Yes. 10:37:41 that makes sense, i was thinking that the predicate would be evaluated before either of the alternatives were called 10:38:00 djcb` [~user@a88-112-255-94.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 10:38:02 Look again at section: "Applicative order versus normal order" in the same chapter. 10:38:15 ok, i will :-) 10:38:33 kudkudyak - have you got a teacher/how are you managing working through on your own? 10:39:27 -!- woonie [~woonie@nusnet-199-161.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:39:35 -!- djcb [~user@a88-112-255-94.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:39:37 I'm learing on my own. I've read HTDP before jumping on SICP. The book HTDP is targeted at newbie programmers, so I learned a lot. 10:39:58 *I learned a lot about functional programming :) 10:40:06 i looked through quite a lot of that too, although perhaps too briefly 10:40:53 glad to know that it's not an insurmountable task though - have you any tips? 10:40:56 You should do all the excersises. Half of the learning is done by doing the exercises. 10:41:36 am going to do so with sicp 10:41:46 masm [~masm@2.80.172.175] has joined #scheme 10:41:50 htdp i was reading online and at my desk at work 10:42:25 not that anyone minded, but other things still had to come first 10:43:12 anyway - thanks for the help! 10:43:22 You're welcome :) 10:43:49 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:49:08 -!- GoKhlayeh [~GoKhlayeh@33.31.80.79.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:51:16 chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 10:52:50 kudkudyak - just re-reading the parts you suggested... page 18 describes the evaluation procedure for a cond clause: 10:54:09 'the predicate is evaluated first...' - since new-if is essentially a cond clause, shouldn't this mean that the predicate gets evaluated first and the infinite recusion never happens? 10:54:16 ijp [~user@host31-53-169-0.range31-53.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 10:54:58 new-if is a defined procedure. 10:55:09 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 10:55:10 yeah, but it expands to a cond clause? 10:55:41 *JonRob* confused, but guess can take it as read 10:56:09 Yes, but the substitution model is later replaced by other model which allows for side effects. :) 10:56:26 GoKhlayeh [~GoKhlayeh@33.31.80.79.rev.sfr.net] has joined #scheme 10:56:42 ah ok... 10:57:03 i'll look over this section a few more times and then push on i guess 10:57:04 So, if guile allows you to set variables it isn't using the substitute model 10:57:13 things often click after persevering a while 10:57:24 kudkudyak - right 11:03:00 JonRob: So, in the exercise, the proposed new-if procedure would work well in interpreter with the substitution model (that's my guess), but your implementation is using another model in which the arguments are evaluated first. 11:03:28 I hope that's a better explanation. 11:03:48 pjb: don't worry, I never believe anything rudybot says 11:06:26 kudkudyak - yeah, i think so. i hope so! i'll look forward to learning about some of the other models :-) 11:09:32 JonRob: Btw, you shouldn't learn the words I use for explaining computations - in many cases I'm using different/wrong or overloaded terms. :) 11:09:57 heh ok, i'll stick to what the text says :-) 11:10:13 you wouldn't happen to know of any virtual study groups on the book would you? 11:10:30 i could see that being very helpful 11:10:40 sorry, but no 11:11:35 There used to be one here on Freenode; that's actually how I got into Scheme. But, I think it may have disbanded. 11:12:11 hmm, i wonder how i might find people to start one with 11:12:36 freenode would be a great place to do it too 11:12:37 Well, #sicp and ##sicp both have people in them. 11:13:08 At least one of them is definitely the right SICP. ;-) 11:13:50 The topic for ##sicp is: SICP book club :) 11:14:34 ah excellent - thanks! 11:14:53 fds: thank you for the information 11:15:28 My pleasure. I love to see more Schemers in the world. 11:17:14 -!- micro [~micro@www.bway.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:17:34 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has left #scheme 11:18:54 I just figured out how to do exercise 1.11 of sicp 11:20:06 micro [~micro@www.bway.net] has joined #scheme 11:22:01 chromaticwt - which exercise is that? 11:23:34 I'm just starting through the book also. 11:24:04 1.11: write a procedure that computes f by means of a recursive process. write a procedure that computes f by means of an iterative process. 11:24:44 f(n) = n if n < 3 and f(n) = f(n-1) + 2f(n-2) + 3f(n-3) if n >= 3 11:25:14 the recursive process is straightforward, the iteration takes some thought. 11:25:37 Yeah, I remember struggling a lot with that one. :-) 11:26:38 epsil [~vegard@ti0145a380-1822.bb.online.no] has joined #scheme 11:26:55 can edwin do syntax highlighting? 11:27:13 fds: I am a very visual person, so drawing tree diagrams helped. 11:28:30 one thing that was interesting to me with that problem, is that the order in which 2f(n-2) is computed doesn't matter because f is a function, if f was not a true function, and was just a procedure, then the order in which it was computed would matter. 11:36:14 chromaticwt: can you explain what a "true function" is? 11:37:10 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-150-150.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 11:37:43 for every input there is only one output 11:43:05 -!- noam_ [~noam@46.120.51.147] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:43:19 noam_ [~noam@46.120.51.147] has joined #scheme 11:43:21 chromaticwt : congrats :) 11:43:27 :) 11:45:59 -!- JonRob [~jon@92.40.254.142.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:46:56 JonRob [~jon@92.40.254.142.threembb.co.uk] has joined #scheme 11:47:03 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-177-86.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:59:28 -!- chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:00:02 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 12:00:22 chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 12:04:13 -!- bytbox [~s@129.2.129.227] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:07:32 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.138.247] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 12:09:27 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:23:38 -!- JonRob [~jon@92.40.254.142.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:23:43 gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #scheme 12:25:12 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 12:41:09 kudkudyak : btw, re "true function", i think what chromaticwt meant was that the (prodecure implementing the) function always gives the same result(s) for the same arguments, and doesn't have any other observable effects than computing the result(s) from the arguments (this is a bit vague, however : possible nontermination usually is ignored here, as is taking time and generating heat -- generating an error is a trickier case, though) 12:42:33 kudkudyak : the basic point here however is that when `f(n)' is computed relative to other computations shouldn't matter, and it also shouldn't matter if you compute it many times, or only a few times (like one), reusing the result instead 12:44:23 (for a more formal attempt to define terms here, you can try "What is a Purely Functional Language?" by Amr Sabry in 1993-01 at ) 12:45:12 ski: thank you, i'll read it :) 12:49:17 bytbox [~s@129.2.129.227] has joined #scheme 12:49:40 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.138.247] has joined #scheme 12:49:45 cgroza [~user@66.49.151.104] has joined #scheme 12:50:32 Hello everyone. I am using Chicken scheme and my interpreter gives me unbound value error for many list functions such as list-head. Do I need to import something? 12:50:59 probably. 12:51:32 like what? I only started tinkering with scheme yesterday? 12:51:58 cgroza: why not use car instead? 12:52:10 list-head is not in r5rs, car is. 12:52:57 pjb: ok. but I get the same error with filter fold andmap. Enough of them to give me a headache. 12:53:05 -!- mmc1 [~michal@178-85-131-65.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:53:39 cgroza: You can use (use srfi-1) to get a lot of list processing procedures in Chicken (no list-head AFAIK though) 12:53:57 fds: thanks. that's what I was looking for. 12:55:26 -!- exobit [~user@pool-98-116-156-190.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:07 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:04:31 chromaticwt: Not to be a prick, but 1.11 is easy if you know how to write an iterative Fibonacci. :-D 13:05:19 cky : yeah, when you're grasped the basic idea behind it (which is what the exercise is meant to check, of course :) 13:05:31 Quite. :-) 13:06:49 (or, if one haven't grasped it yet, it forces one to try again for that) 13:06:58 That too. :-) 13:07:22 I noticed that a fair few people are in the second category, and in that way it was a good exercise. 13:07:36 *ski* nods 13:12:20 -!- chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:13:24 wsimpson [~bill@76.73.221.195] has joined #scheme 13:14:10 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 13:16:15 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 13:16:17 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:16:35 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 13:22:29 chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 13:22:46 cky: :/ 13:24:04 f(n) is a bit different than iteratively computing fibonacci numbers. 13:25:49 Except it isn't. 13:25:58 except it is. 13:26:04 The implementations I have for 1.11 and fib are substantially similar. 13:26:12 chromaticwt : well, maybe you'd like to show your (iterative) implementation of it ? 13:26:15 (you can use e.g. to paste it) 13:26:21 sure, lol. 13:26:35 s/lol/:)/ 13:26:42 ;-) 13:27:00 -!- cgroza [~user@66.49.151.104] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:30:33 -!- rjcks [~richard@124.225.74.17] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:36:06 pastebin.com/x3WJ7PaW 13:36:20 *ski* is looking at chromaticwt's paste "sicp 1.11" at 13:36:35 it looks pretty standard, to me 13:36:44 :) 13:36:51 basically the same as the iterative fibonacci, yes 13:38:25 it is a BIT different. 13:39:18 yeah, I guess once you have the actual iterative implementation it is similar to fib(n), but the process of getting there, for me, was different. 13:42:10 yeah, that's not a problem 13:42:26 usually, having several ways to looks at a thing is good 13:42:41 yeah 13:43:17 kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has joined #scheme 13:43:28 (the point here is just to realize that the iterative fibonacci, and the iterative version of this exercise really is very similar) 13:44:42 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-196-242.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45:53 zedstar_ [~john@cpc3-haye16-2-0-cust189.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 13:50:58 snizzo [~quassel@host152-239-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 13:52:03 exobit [~user@pool-98-116-156-190.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 13:52:28 homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-196-242.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 14:11:57 rff [~rff@ip72-207-248-18.br.br.cox.net] has joined #scheme 14:12:10 -!- bytbox [~s@129.2.129.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:20:11 -!- jimi_ [~jimi@unaffiliated/tuxguy] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:37:01 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-131-65.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 14:48:54 jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 15:03:21 -!- jb55 [~jb55@24.52.246.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:05:02 jb55 [~jb55@24.52.246.111] has joined #scheme 15:06:16 ThePawnBreak [~quassel@94.177.108.25] has joined #scheme 15:07:57 ijp` [~user@host109-150-111-204.range109-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 15:09:27 -!- ijp [~user@host31-53-169-0.range31-53.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:17:32 joast [~rick@76.178.187.164] has joined #scheme 15:17:46 philo [415daba1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.93.171.161] has joined #scheme 15:17:57 hi 15:18:35 looking for a good paper on the difference between the kind of continuation (one shot , delimited, coroutine etc...) 15:19:19 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:20:05 -!- ijp` is now known as ijp 15:24:33 looking for a good paper on the difference between the kind of continuation (one shot , delimited, coroutine etc...) 15:26:10 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 15:36:47 -!- pygospa [~Pygosceli@kiel-4d067d9f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:38:43 philo: eli has a good set of notes on that. 15:38:49 philo: See if I remember the URL. 15:38:58 pygospa [~Pygosceli@kiel-d9bfdda8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 15:39:07 philo: http://tmp.barzilay.org/cont.txt 15:39:18 cky i hope those kind of question are appropriate for here? 15:39:26 if you know what a continuation is, a one-shot continuation is pretty obvious 15:39:42 philo: I'm sure if they're not appropriate, somebody will slap your hand soon enough. ;-) 15:39:46 philo: (No news is good news. ;-)) 15:39:56 lol 15:40:05 your link seems about using continuation 15:40:22 and more interrested in a comparison of their expressive power 15:40:39 philo: It's a long paper. Read it all the way through before complaining. :-P 15:40:54 :) mybad 15:42:31 what's the best "toy-implentation" of scheme 15:42:49 meanning something simple,clean-code and well documentated for a would be acker 15:47:31 is there a hook that runs when a window is created? 15:47:39 wrong chan 15:48:50 add^_ [~add^_^@h59n2c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #scheme 15:49:49 -!- snizzo [~quassel@host152-239-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05:24 philo: I don't have a cite offhand, but my understanding is: Delimited continuation > Continuation > One Shot, where > is expressive power. Although, with state one shot continuations can be turned into multi shot continuations, and with a mutable cell you can create delimited continuations from undelimited continuations. 16:07:59 -!- philo [415daba1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.93.171.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:19:26 HG` [~HG@dsbg-4db58bde.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 16:29:50 ijp: Alas, philo quit before you answered. 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A complete, yet _as short as possible_, example might help clarify it for me 22:19:56 kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #scheme 22:19:57 Adrinael [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has joined #scheme 22:20:12 -!- z0d [~z0d@q.notresp.com] has quit [Changing host] 22:20:12 z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has joined #scheme 22:20:12 gabot [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 22:20:19 asumu [~at@2001:470:b:b7:1e6f:65ff:fe23:c3d4] has joined #scheme 22:20:29 rudybot: i said no indian, neither big nor small....lol 22:20:30 homie`: ,prematureoptimization is NO OPTIMIZATION WITHOUT QUANTIFICATION 22:20:35 -!- HG` [~HG@dsbg-4db58bde.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:20:49 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-154-202.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 22:20:49 amoe [~amoe@host-78-147-160-46.as13285.net] has joined #scheme 22:20:49 nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-24-189.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 22:20:49 zedstar [~john@fsf/member/zedstar] has joined #scheme 22:20:49 fbs [fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has joined #scheme 22:20:49 evhan [~evhan@pdpc/supporter/active/evhan] has joined #scheme 22:20:49 DerGuteMoritz [~syn@85.88.17.198] has joined #scheme 22:20:49 fizzie [fis@unaffiliated/fizzie] has joined #scheme 22:20:49 C-Keen [cckeen@pestilenz.org] has joined #scheme 22:20:49 snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@67-23-4-190.static.slicehost.net] has joined #scheme 22:20:49 roderic [~roderic@zerowing.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 22:20:49 felipe [~felipe@unaffiliated/felipe] has joined #scheme 22:20:55 rudybot: ok not even one indian really.... 22:20:56 homie`: What's the best way to run emacs server/client under linux/X? If I run server-start in my emacs and then close it the next time I try to do it it will say address is bound even though there are no emacs processes 22:21:11 lol 22:21:20 ttvd [~radixip@ttvd.net] has joined #scheme 22:21:20 inimino [~inimino@boshi.inimino.org] has joined #scheme 22:21:20 tizoc` [~user@li25-112.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 22:21:20 tonyg [~tonyg@173-203-78-111.static.cloud-ips.com] has joined #scheme 22:21:20 gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #scheme 22:21:20 tltstc [~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:21:20 tessier [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has joined #scheme 22:21:20 Pepe_ [~ppjet@anderith.bouah.net] has joined #scheme 22:21:20 jimrees_ [~jimrees@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 22:21:34 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:00 rudybot is all cheese man....i don't get him..... 22:22:02 lol 22:23:41 yosafbridge [~yosafbrid@li125-242.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 22:25:17 xian [xian@we-are-the-b.org] has joined #scheme 22:25:18 ec [~me@ell.io] has joined #scheme 22:25:19 ybit [~ybit@131.252.130.248] has joined #scheme 22:25:20 klutometis [klutometis@klutometis.wikitex.org] has joined #scheme 22:25:20 *rudybot* bows deeply before his master, inventor of incubot 22:25:25 GoKhlayeh [~GoKhlayeh@33.31.80.79.rev.sfr.net] has joined #scheme 22:25:26 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-150-150.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 22:25:30 mario-goulart [~user@67.205.85.241] has joined #scheme 22:25:31 pothos [~pothos@114-36-237-51.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 22:25:32 ASau` [~user@95-26-61-217.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 22:25:34 samth [~samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 22:25:35 wtetzner [~wtetzner@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:25:47 -!- klutometis is now known as Guest71314 22:26:01 mmc [~michal@sams-office-nat.tomtomgroup.com] has joined #scheme 22:26:16 kudkudyak [~sun@94.72.162.240] has joined #scheme 22:26:25 gf3 [~gf3@unaffiliated/gf3] has joined #scheme 22:30:27 dnm [~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 22:32:45 -!- kudkudyak [~sun@94.72.162.240] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:32:47 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:33:08 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:33:40 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:35:21 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 22:35:48 -!- _p4bl0` is now known as _p4bl0 22:36:32 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 22:38:58 -!- kuribas [~user@d54C439C1.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:40:03 Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #scheme 22:42:13 ASau`` [~user@176.14.209.86] has joined #scheme 22:44:53 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:46:13 -!- ASau` [~user@95-26-61-217.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:48:53 kuribas [~user@d54C439C1.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 22:49:45 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 22:54:46 -!- PreciousMetals [~Heart@unaffiliated/colours] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:56:51 PreciousMetals [~Heart@unaffiliated/colours] has joined #scheme 22:59:07 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 23:05:08 -!- mmc1 [~michal@178-85-131-65.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:11:00 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 23:11:03 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:16 -!- kniu [~kniu@pool-108-17-80-180.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:20:46 kniu [~kniu@pool-108-17-80-180.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:25:47 whitequark [~whitequar@2a00:ab00:1::4464:5550] has joined #scheme 23:34:37 must be klutometis in da house 23:36:11 ? 23:39:30 -!- bytbox [~s@129.2.129.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:41:32 bytbox [~s@129.2.129.227] has joined #scheme 23:41:37 when rudybot "bows deeply before his master, inventor of incubot", that means klutometis joined 23:43:00 seen klutometis 23:43:04 rudybot: seen klutometis 23:43:04 *offby1: klutometis was seen joining in #scheme one hour ago, and then klutometis was seen changing their nick to Guest71314 in klutometis.wikitex.org one hour ago 23:43:12 sneaky 23:44:42 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 23:46:28 epsil [~vegard@ti0145a380-0200.bb.online.no] has joined #scheme 23:48:42 -!- woonie [~woonie@nusnet-228-5.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 23:49:59 btw. which library do all the bots use which are written in scheme? 23:50:26 fantazo_: they don't all use the same code 23:50:29 rudybot: source 23:50:29 samth: git clone git://github.com/offby1/rudybot.git 23:50:56 ah, yes. its scheme, so there is no shared code. 23:51:02 *offby1* stares blankly 23:51:10 -!- bytbox [~s@129.2.129.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:51:15 fantazo_: rudybot uses lots of libraries 23:51:47 I see its racket, so its no scheme. 23:52:05 fantazo_: That's a weird comment. 23:52:10 Racket's primary language is Scheme. 23:52:26 Granted, a heavily-extended Scheme, but still Scheme. 23:52:38 the point of renaming plt scheme into racket was, that they thought its no longer scheme. 23:52:40 cky: i would describe it as a language in the scheme family :) 23:52:43 If you are looking for libraries, there is an IRC egg for chicken, and a parser for IRC messages written in R6RS, and various others 23:52:51 samth: Indeed. :-) 23:52:58 samth: But that's very different from "it's no Scheme". :-) 23:53:28 cky: Racket isn't scheme, but it's a scheme 23:53:37 Indeed. 23:55:54 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 23:56:06 http://wiki.call-cc.org/eggref/4/irc for the former, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~weinholt/scheme-libraries/industria/view/head:/weinholt/net/irc.sls for the latter 23:56:07 http://tinyurl.com/cvl6a3t