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I just started playing around with scheme. I find it quite nice and I want to learn more. But does it has any real-world applications? Is it used anywhere? 01:09:09 -!- aspect [~aspect@abstracted-spleen.org] has left #scheme 01:09:49 Yes. Perhaps less than Common Lisp, but still, it's used in real-world applications. 01:10:11 http://schemers.org/Positions/ 01:11:04 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 01:12:20 mads-: for example, Racket is used by the air force, by the SET corporation, in commercial web applications, in console games, and in other places 01:15:01 -!- ski [~slj@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:22:07 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 01:25:10 -!- masm [~masm@bl19-161-129.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:28:08 ski [~slj@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 01:29:25 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:30:50 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:31:28 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:32:19 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 01:34:25 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:34:53 stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #scheme 01:57:44 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-42-130.gmavt.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:58:28 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@pool-68-161-64-21.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 02:00:33 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:02:51 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 02:03:05 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:12:52 stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #scheme 02:33:55 Is anyone here? *tap tap* 02:35:19 -!- ASau [~user@95-25-186-18.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:36:35 Who's there? 02:36:42 (ask a question, not a meta question). 02:36:55 ASau [~user@89-178-205-31.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 02:37:16 -!- freakazoid [~seanl@66.220.144.73] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 02:38:13 -!- copumpkin is now known as pirateat20 02:43:35 -!- pirateat20 is now known as copumpkin 02:47:29 kfb [~kevin@c-24-7-24-215.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:58:19 -!- kfb [~kevin@c-24-7-24-215.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:00:20 annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:00:20 -!- annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 03:00:20 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 03:01:13 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:02:09 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 03:05:44 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 03:10:13 drwho [~drwho@c-68-81-125-196.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:15:27 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:30:40 freakazoid [~seanl@c-67-164-106-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:33:16 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:44:45 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 03:54:48 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 04:03:22 ThePawnBreak [~quassel@94.177.108.25] has joined #scheme 04:07:16 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 04:07:31 -!- phoenixsun [phoenixsun@host86-160-54-142.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 04:10:22 devn [~devn@rot13.pbqr.org] has joined #scheme 04:10:31 What's the channel for chicken scheme? 04:10:37 Yes. 04:10:58 But IIRC, there are also implementation specific channels. Perhaps #chicken? I don't know for sure. 04:11:15 pjb: nailed it. thanks. 04:12:30 annihilator [~rff@ip72-207-248-18.br.br.cox.net] has joined #scheme 04:15:41 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-248-18.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:17:34 jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-151-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:18:38 -!- turbofail [~user@c-107-3-149-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:19:51 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:23:33 leo2007 [~leo@218.85.168.161] has joined #scheme 04:45:08 -!- leo2007 [~leo@218.85.168.161] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:50:35 -!- ThePawnBreak [~quassel@94.177.108.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:53:44 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 05:00:42 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-124-13.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 05:00:49 jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.225] has joined #scheme 05:01:18 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-151-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:06:31 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:25:04 -!- jb55 [~jb55@24.52.246.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:25:42 jb55 [~jb55@24.52.246.111] has joined #scheme 05:29:18 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@infocalypse-net.info] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:31:55 Nisstyre [~yours@infocalypse-net.info] has joined #scheme 05:38:55 -!- jb55 [~jb55@24.52.246.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:40:01 -!- jrslepak_ [~jrslepak@punchout.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:40:06 jb55 [~jb55@24.52.246.111] has joined #scheme 05:41:29 Operaist2 [~OperaIst@ppp-124-122-159-109.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #scheme 05:41:31 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 05:41:50 so, I'm kinda lost and need some meta-documentation... I'm a scheme noob, but expert CL'er, and I'm trying to revive swank-gambit, and it seems like it doesn't use any module system, just loads into the global namespace. so, if I want to find out what is the state-of-the-art module system that I should use, and what it is in the perspective of gambit, then where should I look? what should I read? 05:41:56 i need to compare the sign of 2 integers 05:42:09 is there a (sign a b) proc or some such? 05:42:49 *attila_lendvai* pokes pjb, as he usually has very useful insights... :) 05:42:55 jrslepak_ [~jrslepak@punchout.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 05:43:08 -!- annihilator [~rff@ip72-207-248-18.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:43:43 rudybot: (define (sign-equal? a b) (positive? (* a b))) 05:43:44 leppie: your sandbox is ready 05:43:44 leppie: Done. 05:44:02 rudybot: (sign-equal? -1 1) 05:44:03 leppie: ; Value: #f 05:44:06 rudybot: (sign-equal? -1 -1) 05:44:07 leppie: ; Value: #t 05:44:21 Operaist2: does that help? ;p 05:45:46 horry shit 05:45:50 that sure is a good idea 05:45:54 thx leppie 05:46:26 -!- stchang [~stchang@syrah.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:47:58 stchang [~stchang@syrah.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 05:50:41 attila_lendvai: AFAIK, gambit has no official module system. 05:51:24 there's this (not "official" though), but the page is a year old: http://dynamo.iro.umontreal.ca/~gambit/wiki/index.php/Black_Hole 05:51:51 I would expect that such a module system is 99% portable between schemes, but I may be way off... 05:52:07 If you want a state-of-the-art module system, you should probably look at Racket. Chicken and Guile also have module systems. 05:53:42 Modules aren't really portable in Scheme, unless you use R6RS modules (few people do). 05:54:33 -!- Operaist2 [~OperaIst@ppp-124-122-159-109.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:54:56 tom_i [~thomasing@ingserv.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 05:58:23 pjb- [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #scheme 06:02:47 -!- pjb- [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:03:22 hrm, that's kinda disappointing. but on the other hand swank-gambit is gambit specific enough not to care I guess... so, I just need a gambit specific direction, but I'll ask that on the list and/or #gambit 06:04:31 -!- clog [~nef@bespin.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:07:54 Operaist2 [~OperaIst@ppp-124-120-49-123.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #scheme 06:11:28 -!- tali713 [~tali713@c-75-72-193-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:12:24 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-185-53.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 06:16:31 is it practically hopeless today to have a CL sub-language with reasonable effort that can make it possible to load non-infrastructure-heavy CL code? (thinking of the fuzzy symbol completion algorithm in swank) 06:17:20 nunag [~user@202-74-208-83.ue.woosh.co.nz] has joined #scheme 06:18:04 bokr [~edka@109.110.34.64] has joined #scheme 06:22:44 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:23:00 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #scheme 06:27:34 attila_lendvai: there are CL implementations written in scheme. Have a look at BBN Butterfly Scheme. 06:28:19 *attila_lendvai* does 06:29:28 the first thing to do in scheme seems to be write a whole lot of functionality that is gratis in CL 06:29:32 http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/lang/lisp/impl/bbn/0.html 06:29:33 http://tinyurl.com/3cobo63 06:30:59 I don't need full CL for the fuzzy code... only basic stuff, like defun, hashtables, strings, etc... 06:31:29 -!- EOF-sensei [~temp@dsl-173-206-246-98.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:31:57 the BBN thing might be a good starting point, but it's not something practically usable today afaics 06:32:04 EOF-sensei [~temp@dsl-173-206-246-98.tor.primus.ca] has joined #scheme 06:33:55 jcowan [~John@cpe-98-14-172-212.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 06:34:43 hoi 06:38:47 -!- bytbox [~s@129.2.129.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:40:14 -!- nunag [~user@202-74-208-83.ue.woosh.co.nz] has left #scheme 06:41:36 -!- bokr [~edka@109.110.34.64] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 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has joined #scheme 13:43:09 epsil [~vegard@158.36.59.43] has joined #scheme 13:46:05 snizzo [~quassel@158.110.154.200] has joined #scheme 13:47:37 is there a way to define a number of macros locally, and use them when expanding a particular piece of code? 13:47:52 something like (macrolet ((temp-macro ..)) (expand ..)) 13:48:08 where the thing being expanded may contain several references to temp-macro 13:48:59 annihilator [~rff@ip72-207-248-18.br.br.cox.net] has joined #scheme 13:49:10 Maybe let-syntax 13:49:55 yeah, i've experimented with let-syntax, but i haven't got it to work ... 13:50:03 i've googled for examples of usage, but found little 13:51:01 Maybe you can get more results for `define-syntax'. 13:51:28 Then use `let-syntax' instead. :-) 13:51:47 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:53:35 bytbox [~s@129.2.129.231] has joined #scheme 13:55:31 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 13:56:32 -!- kephas is now known as nowhere_man 13:58:16 -!- bytbox [~s@129.2.129.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:59:20 bytbox [~s@wireless-206-196-164-172.umd.edu] has joined #scheme 14:03:40 lolcow [lolcow@196-215-11-31.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 14:04:25 pothos [~pothos@114-36-235-251.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 14:04:58 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-148-9.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:05:48 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-148-9.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 14:07:56 -!- lolcow [lolcow@196-215-11-31.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:09:37 -!- untrusted [~user@stgt-5f719e86.pool.mediaWays.net] has left #scheme 14:09:55 that works at the top level 14:10:02 but it doesn't work inside another macro! 14:12:40 see, I want to define a special "environment" for custom macros, like (my-environment (custom-macro)) 14:12:45 "custom-macro" inside "my-environment" should expand according to a definition set by "my-environment" 14:12:51 i tried this: (define-syntax-rule (my-environment body ...) (let-syntax ((custom-macro ...)) body ...)) 14:13:24 but all it tells me when I use it is that "custom-macro" is an undefined identifier 14:13:42 you are breaking hygiene 14:13:53 leppie: how so? 14:14:38 -!- bwright [~bwright@c122-106-254-100.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:14:41 you are introducing 'custom-macro' in the the macro without passing 'custom-macro' into the macro 14:14:53 so they are not the same 14:16:34 bwright [~bwright@c122-106-254-100.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #scheme 14:16:48 so how do I fix it? 14:20:25 I'd rather not try to parse "body" for "custom-macro" forms myself, because that'd be a chore 14:20:45 yes, and that is bad style ;p 14:20:52 it'd be much simpler to declare "custom-macro" to be a macro for the time being, and have the expander sort out the rest 14:21:17 but, obviously, I don't want "custom-macro" to be recognized as such outside of "my-environment". 14:21:45 in other words, what I want is a DSL that is local to "my-environment" 14:22:37 it is tricky, but depending on your Scheme, there should be a way to 'break the hygiene'. In some cases, it just dont work at all :( 14:23:18 with define-syntax-rule and friends, it is easy to create a global DSL. but I can't for the life of me figure out how to create a local one 14:23:33 you can declare the macro as top-level in a module, then export the macro, then only import it locally 14:23:54 I assume you are on Racket, dont know how you would do it there 14:24:19 something like syntax-parameters may work 14:25:08 yeah, I'm using racket 14:25:08 epsil: see scheme2011.ucombinator.org/papers/Barzilay2011.pdf 14:26:18 but this seems to be a tricky issue regardless of which scheme one is using 14:26:27 I just don't get why it has to be so damned hard 14:27:28 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 14:28:02 that's life, but at least you know your macro wont break other code :) 14:29:19 -!- bwright [~bwright@c122-106-254-100.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [*.net *.split] 14:29:19 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-63-13.gmavt.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 14:29:19 -!- jb55 [~jb55@24.52.246.111] has quit [*.net *.split] 14:29:20 that paper seems to address the issue head-on, though 14:29:36 epsil: that's good, and a very good paper :) 14:31:39 bwright [~bwright@c122-106-254-100.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #scheme 14:31:39 acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-63-13.gmavt.net] has joined #scheme 14:31:39 jb55 [~jb55@24.52.246.111] has joined #scheme 14:31:47 -!- bwright [~bwright@c122-106-254-100.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:32:03 bwright [~bwright@c122-106-254-100.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #scheme 14:36:57 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 14:42:07 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:49:01 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51:14 -!- bytbox [~s@wireless-206-196-164-172.umd.edu] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:52:02 i1126 [~i1126@xdsl-78-34-221-228.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 14:52:46 -!- EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@host71.190-226-30.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:53:13 bytbox [~s@wireless-206-196-164-172.umd.edu] has joined #scheme 14:54:29 -!- i1126 [~i1126@xdsl-78-34-221-228.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:57:05 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 14:57:26 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-168-212.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 14:58:05 -!- bytbox [~s@wireless-206-196-164-172.umd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:58:13 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 15:00:15 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.10.185] has joined #scheme 15:00:15 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.10.185] has quit [Changing host] 15:00:15 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 15:01:05 -!- snizzo [~quassel@158.110.154.200] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:32 i know this is R6RS specific, but is it possible to use the record-type-descriptor macro at compile time? 15:02:00 clearly something like: (define-syntax foo (lambda (x) (syntax-case x () [(_ type) (display (record-type-descriptor #'type)) #'#f]))) does not work 15:03:14 I need access to the field names and indices for a macro 15:05:24 or would I need to create my own define-record-type like macro and 'save that info for compile time (which is possible in my scheme)' ? 15:06:07 EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@190.244.19.108] has joined #scheme 15:13:04 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:20:32 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:21:01 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-148-9.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:22:59 bytbox [~s@129.2.129.231] has joined #scheme 15:23:41 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 15:27:19 snizzo [~quassel@158.110.154.200] has joined #scheme 15:31:26 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:31:27 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-148-9.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 15:31:45 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 15:37:47 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:38:57 Have you guys heard? It turns out that LoL is a sophisticated troll-werk designed to frustrate hubristic Lispers. 15:39:47 I've seen grown men cry, perusing that macrology. 15:41:50 LoL being some lispy RoR, klutometis? 15:43:42 Lisp on Lips 15:44:41 tali713 [~tali713@c-75-72-193-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:44:52 leppie: Engrishly speaking, you mean? 15:45:24 klutometis, to be honest I have no clue what you are talkign about :) 15:45:32 i1126 [~i1126@xdsl-78-34-221-228.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 15:46:10 leppie: Let over Lambda, : "one of the most hardcore computer programming books out there" (according to its author). 15:47:19 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:47 Basically just a tour de force of macros, meta^n-macros, and other abstract monsters; it's made its rounds in the office, and is sitting on my desk. 15:47:57 ok, that's what I found 15:48:59 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 15:50:01 The intro is fantastic: he pays homage to McCarthy, Curry and Graham; can't vouch for the rest, though. 15:51:04 http://letoverlambda.com/textmode.cl/guest/chap1.html 15:52:25 so is it as hardcore as they claim? 15:54:10 leppie: i was pretty unimpressed 15:57:11 ijp [~user@host86-177-159-253.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 16:00:57 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 16:03:48 samth: How far did you get? 16:04:01 klutometis: i've just skimmed parts 16:04:11 but it just all seems not very good 16:04:58 When a book bills itself as "hard core," it's a little suspicious; I have to admit. The authors of SICP didn't feel the need to varnish their work with such epithets. 16:06:08 for example, the discussion of "functional languages" here: http://letoverlambda.com/index.cl/guest/chap5.html is pretty terrible, from my perspective 16:08:05 -!- drwho [~drwho@c-68-81-125-196.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bbl] 16:15:13 -!- noam_ [~noam@46.120.51.147] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:28 noam_ [~noam@46.120.51.147] has joined #scheme 16:19:41 linluxiang [~linluxian@183.5.134.180] has joined #scheme 16:20:48 annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:20:48 -!- annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:20:48 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 16:21:25 Which book would be recommended for learning scheme? I know (common) lisp basics but I still need to conform to the new syntax, ideas and so on. 16:23:22 add^_: if you already know some lisp, you might like "the scheme programming language" by dybvig 16:23:28 which is available free online 16:24:17 Hm. 16:24:25 Thank you :-) 16:25:02 samth: I have always liked that 'book' :) 16:25:17 *mario-goulart* too 16:25:18 -!- snizzo [~quassel@158.110.154.200] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:51 kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has joined #scheme 16:26:23 -!- linluxiang [~linluxian@183.5.134.180] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:27:37 samth: I've noticed that there is a certain type of lisper that is aggressively anti-functional. 16:28:29 ijp: yes, and i agree that CL isn't really a functional language any more than python is, but but the claims in that chapter are pretty silly regardless 16:29:08 Indeed, I especially found the last part about using macros for functional programming to be quite odd 16:29:45 The other LoL book is ok IMO ;-) 16:29:56 Land of Lisp :-P 16:30:18 linluxiang [~linluxian@183.5.134.180] has joined #scheme 16:30:25 Land of Lisp is a fun book indeed 16:30:31 :-) 16:31:06 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 16:31:28 Hm 16:31:36 www.scheme.com is down. 16:32:15 alert the twitters! 16:32:24 WFM tho 16:32:56 .. 16:33:01 -!- tom_i [~thomasing@cmc.beaming.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:33:16 Away! 16:33:55 http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/scheme.com 16:38:39 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 16:43:27 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:46:12 realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has joined #scheme 16:47:25 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:49:55 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-166-146.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:51:52 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-168-212.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:52:02 -!- linluxiang [~linluxian@183.5.134.180] has quit [Quit: linluxiang] 16:52:13 Uh 16:52:20 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-166-146.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 16:53:14 Strange that I can't get to scheme.com 16:54:14 keenbug [~daniel@p5B2D9C3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 16:54:47 -!- bytbox [~s@129.2.129.231] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:54:55 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-166-146.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:56:44 pandeiro [~pandeiro@187.38.246.170] has joined #scheme 17:00:22 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 17:02:48 leppie: Hmm; yeah, I'm not sure who the audience is for that discussion. Is anyone attempting black-art macrology really going to be enlightened by that irrigorous expose? 17:04:03 also: "the anaphoric macro is a 17:04:03 topic so unexplored that I think entire original books are yet 17:04:03 be written about it." 17:04:10 *wingo* looks at the defunits-1 example and chuckles 17:04:36 add^_: Oh, snap; I forgot that acronym is overloaded! Land of Lisp is unquestionably superior. 17:04:36 Woot, scheme.com works on my other computer but not this one. 17:05:19 klutometis: heh, well when you said you meant let over lambda I understood what you meant anyway ;-) 17:06:19 Funny how that works. 17:07:10 :-P 17:10:32 -!- pandeiro [~pandeiro@187.38.246.170] has quit [Quit: Out of quarters] 17:11:45 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-60-167.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 17:12:13 pandeiro [~pandeiro@187.38.246.170] has joined #scheme 17:13:21 alvatar [~alvatar@58.149.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 17:14:05 nice, there's more people in #scheme these days than a year ago used to be 17:14:29 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 17:16:27 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:16:28 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:16:41 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 17:18:22 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According to my copy of History of Programming Languages. 18:25:29 The notation was introduced in the "Muddle" language. 18:25:35 (for ?, dunno about !) 18:26:22 asumu: thanks. 18:28:26 Razz [~tim@kompiler.org] has joined #scheme 18:30:07 -!- snizzo [~quassel@host56-234-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:30:44 snizzo [~quassel@host127-48-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 18:31:22 -!- epsil [~vegard@158.36.59.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:33:29 klutometis: time for the new gods ;P 18:35:32 -!- Dodek [dodek@nolajf.pl] has left #scheme 18:36:06 wanted: new god. must be omniscient or better, and at least one millennia on the job experience. no timewasters. manifestations of chaos need not apply 18:36:06 time for a new story, the god thing is sickening 18:37:18 haha 18:39:34 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 18:42:00 -!- thoolihan [~Tim@50.51.79.139] has quit [Ping 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