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0x4007faa3 in adjust_gc_frequency (hook_data=0x0, fn_data=0x0, data=0x0) at gc.c:840 11:40:36 yes, it is an irritating thing 11:41:02 functions changing from not taking locks to taking locks and then back 11:41:04 i'll fix it 11:42:12 hey we are on #scheme 11:42:19 -> #guile! 11:42:19 Ooops 11:43:32 :-) 11:45:52 -!- chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:58:21 farneare` [~user@109.231.202.66] has joined #scheme 12:03:49 -!- farneare` [~user@109.231.202.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03:50 -!- farnearer [~user@109.231.202.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:04:04 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Disconnected by services] 12:04:05 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@87.247.9.52] has joined #scheme 12:04:05 farnearer [~user@109.231.202.66] has joined #scheme 12:05:43 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-152-12.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 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paste.lisp.org doesn't seem to work) to work and I am strugling to construct the second form (or some form of it that works). The comment says it works, but it actually doens't :( 12:23:27 Oh wow, it butchered my code :((( 12:26:33 bipartite [~rff@ip72-207-248-18.br.br.cox.net] has joined #scheme 12:27:52 -!- chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28:27 wingo: see instead here: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/515278/ 12:32:15 cao [~c@unaffiliated/anonym] has joined #scheme 12:32:20 -!- cao [~c@unaffiliated/anonym] has left #scheme 12:36:34 chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 12:39:12 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-152-12.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:41:33 vomit 12:42:47 is that a verb or a noun? 12:43:08 both 12:43:15 first a verb then a noun 12:43:40 -!- farnearer [~user@109.231.202.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44:59 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 12:47:25 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset 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[~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 22:02:18 -!- choas [~lars@p4FDC5188.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:06:26 bytbox [~s@129.2.129.231] has joined #scheme 22:07:08 osa1 [~sinan@141.196.121.49] has joined #scheme 22:08:10 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-152-12.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:09:47 anyone has any ideas why I'm getting "undefined variable" error when I'm trying to run this functions on scheme48? http://s48.org/0.57/manual/s48manual_44.html 22:10:46 You need to say ,open tables to the REPL 22:11:34 wow, thanks. is this some kind of special command? is it standard in scheme implementations? 22:11:59 Special command, yes; standard, no. 22:12:16 heya jcowan 22:12:18 There are other ways to open structures (which on other Schemes are called libraries or modules or what not), but I don't know them. 22:12:22 Heya, wingo 22:12:31 is there a way to implement efficient hash tables with scheme? or should I go more low-level? 22:13:07 osa1: like many fundamental data structures, you can only implement them efficiently on top of a fast language implementation 22:13:19 some schemes are fast, some less so 22:13:26 osa1: you can implement them on top of vectors 22:13:31 And some are veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery slow 22:13:33 but hashing is hard to implement 22:13:42 There is a SLIB implementation on top of vectors 22:13:53 wingo: sent you a PM, are you not registered? 22:14:38 jcowan: humm, i sent you a reply 22:14:40 *wingo* looks 22:14:58 -!- osa1 [~sinan@141.196.121.49] has left #scheme 22:15:18 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-152-12.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 22:18:23 -!- woonie [~woonie@nusnet-199-161.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:19:27 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-152-12.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:31:20 jcowan: how go the r7rs efforts? 22:39:08 Hmm. 22:39:57 If the Steering Committee approves, we will release draft 5 and go into "public comment" mode for 3 months. Then we'll vote on whatever comes in, and send the draft to the SC for a final vote by the community. 22:40:28 The changes between draft 4 and draft 5 are editorial, but they need review. 22:40:50 At least that's what Alex has proposed to the SC. They have yet to approve it. 22:41:30 Then WG2 wakes up, maybe during the public comment period or maybe after it, and we start talking about the various packages. There are a few that need to be included or excluded still, and then we start looking at the various draft proposals. 22:41:41 There will be a call for new WG2 members as well. 22:42:45 and then scheme will be a small language with 16 division operators 22:44:03 -!- djcb [~user@a88-112-255-94.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:44:35 There is a proposal to shrink it to 6. 22:46:52 samth: snarkasaurus rex ;-) 22:47:19 fewer does sound better for the small standard 22:47:33 note that this is a language deemed to small to have hash tables 22:47:51 *too 22:49:04 -!- Blkt [~user@82.84.182.166] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:17 kernel sounds like one of those things that's nice in theory, that would be fun to hack in 22:49:25 but in practice i like big lisps. 22:49:35 or lisp-likes. 22:49:44 I like big lisps and I cannot lie ... 22:49:48 haha 22:50:34 as minimal languages go, i definitely prefer scheme to kernel 22:51:28 how goes the typed racket foo, samth/ 22:51:29 ? 22:51:29 it sounds attractive, but in the same way that kernel bends my mind, it seems like a lesser haskell. i should play around with it. 22:51:40 -!- jcowan [c6b912cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.185.18.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:52:33 -!- wingo [~wingo@191.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:52:46 wingo [~wingo@191.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com] has joined #scheme 22:52:48 wingo: it isn't haskell, but that's very much intentional 22:52:52 silly hotel wifi 22:53:00 jcowan [c6b912cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.185.18.207] has joined #scheme 22:53:02 *wingo* checks log to see what went through 22:53:05 nothing 22:54:08 cool 22:54:33 i would like to play around with it sometime; sounds like fun. 22:55:31 i think it's fun 22:56:06 i would describe it as having the type system you already expect 22:57:10 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 22:59:51 "the type system you already described in your comments" 23:00:55 Typed Racket, that is? 23:01:38 that is typed racket 23:03:05 yes 23:03:35 or maybe, the type system you were already using to convince yourself that you hadn't made a mess of everything 23:08:00 comments express theorems about programs, badly 23:09:13 -!- kuribas [~user@94-227-90-245.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:30 Some comments do. 23:19:44 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:19:52 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-152-12.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 23:20:00 Others explain what the code is used for, or state that it will be superseded in March 2012, or mention that optimizing this code will pessimize it due to bugs in gcc 4.5, or ... 23:21:26 -!- wingo [~wingo@191.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:22:13 -!- chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:35:58 snizzo [~Claudio@host43-235-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 23:44:13 -!- ijp [~user@host86-182-156-31.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: The garbage collector got me] 23:48:26 zmv [~zmv@189.120.173.189] has joined #scheme 23:49:44 yet others are the desparate scrawlings of doomed souls, using their final channel of communication to warn future generations of the code-abyss within 23:50:08 shortly afterwards, they are consumed entirely 23:55:08 In one of my very old programs there is a copy of "Eeenie meenie miny mo" in the comments. 23:55:19 I have no clue why I put it in there, but then I had no clue at the time either.