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quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:30:23 rudybot: (set! weekend #t) 08:30:26 leppie: your sandbox is ready 08:30:26 leppie: error: set!: cannot set variable before its definition: weekend in module: 'program 08:30:50 rudybot: (define weekend) 08:30:50 leppie: error: #:1:0: define: bad syntax (missing expression after identifier) in: (define weekend) 08:31:04 arggg you silly blot 08:31:22 snizzo [~Claudio@158.110.154.150] has joined #scheme 08:31:59 hmm, most R6RS implementations allow that ie (define foo) 08:32:42 oh, it is in the R6RS spec too :) http://www.r6rs.org/final/html/r6rs/r6rs-Z-H-14.html#node_idx_352 08:40:02 tom_i [~thomasing@cmc.beaming.biz] has joined #scheme 08:41:30 -!- Operaist2 [~OperaIst@ppp-124-120-228-212.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:48:23 masm [~masm@bl15-235-73.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 08:52:42 chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 08:54:20 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has 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Are those .class files in java bytecode? 09:14:57 yes, leo2007 09:15:40 -!- noam [~noam@46.120.51.147] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:16:16 does this imply that after compiling to .class files I no longer need kawa.jar? 09:16:40 leo2007: there is Gambit that runs natively on Android too 09:16:57 a jar file is just a collection of class files 09:17:56 leppie: I am worrying about the size of the application. I mean kawa.jar is already > 1M. 09:18:55 nowadays that is not a worry ;P 09:19:15 but yes, just for hellow world, that is a bit much 09:21:43 Operaist2: let is intended more for local variables as opposed to global/nested "definitions". There's more restrictions on where a define form is allowed. define defines stuff in the current enviroment whereas let you have to specify an expression to be evaluated with the new bindings. Also let can do multiple bindings in the same form 09:22:30 -!- woonie [~woonie@nusnet-238-111.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:22:47 leppie: but it seems gambit needs a bit of tweaking to work on android 09:23:10 it is in the android market 09:26:04 Operaist2: also a let form can be expanded into an application of a procedure (let ((a b)) c) => ((lambda (a) c) b). semantics of define are probably a bit less clear. 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FACT! 10:17:38 true fact! 10:17:43 TRUFACT! 10:17:45 FACT: FACT is the call sign of Cape Town International Airport :) 10:17:58 megafact overload!!!! 10:18:09 *alaricsp* explodes in a recursive fact-loop with no base case 10:19:12 alaricsp: I think SA is a nice place to retire, when one get to that age where one does not give a shit about society and just wanna enjoy the surroundings 10:19:51 He's there mainly out of the choice of my stepmother, I gather ;-) 10:19:55 She grew up in .za 10:20:39 ijp [~user@host86-168-32-88.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 10:20:44 Yeah it is tough to leave here 10:20:49 And wrote a disturbing autobiography about the experience of being the daughter of anti-Apartheid resistance fighters! 10:22:22 I love this pic: https://p.twimg.com/Ae8dzFWCAAAvjA8.jpg:large 10:23:33 leppie: Seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1EX--vdxh4&sns=fb 10:23:51 yes, just 2 hours ago :) 10:27:35 That's a real advert !? 10:27:42 yes 10:30:04 Perhaps a 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I don't have SICP to hand... 16:27:53 http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-23.html#%_thm_3.49 16:43:57 dca`````` [~user@178-16-156-18.obit.ru] has joined #scheme 16:45:40 -!- dca````` [~user@178-16-156-18.obit.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:48:46 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 16:50:15 masm [~masm@bl15-235-73.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 16:51:41 -!- wingo [~wingo@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:54:00 kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has joined #scheme 17:00:35 chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 17:01:54 woonie [~woonie@175.156.220.23] has joined #scheme 17:03:22 -!- tom_i [~thomasing@cmc.beaming.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:05:42 -!- joyfulgirl [~ivy@unaffiliated/joyfulgirl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:08:45 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:12:34 -!- dca`````` [~user@178-16-156-18.obit.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:13:43 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 17:14:13 -!- noam [~noam@46.120.51.147] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14:33 noam [~noam@46.120.51.147] has joined #scheme 17:19:42 joyfulgirl [~ivy@209-6-79-248.c3-0.abr-ubr1.sbo-abr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 17:19:45 -!- joyfulgirl [~ivy@209-6-79-248.c3-0.abr-ubr1.sbo-abr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 17:19:45 joyfulgirl [~ivy@unaffiliated/joyfulgirl] has joined #scheme 17:20:26 jwd_ [~jwd@cable-118-42.sssnet.com] has joined #scheme 17:21:22 ThePawnBreak [~quassel@94.177.108.25] has joined #scheme 17:21:37 hi! I just installed emacs; does anybody know of a good resource for setting up a scheme environment? I need details on installing an interpreter 17:26:01 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:31:22 -!- joyfulgirl [~ivy@unaffiliated/joyfulgirl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31:25 samth [~samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 17:32:04 jewel [~jewel@196-209-248-92.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 17:32:12 ThePawnBreak: You can install any implementation and set 'scheme-program-name' to the name of the interpreter binary. 17:33:59 amoe: can you give a little more details? 17:34:21 ThePawnBreak: which OS do you use? 17:34:27 windows 7 17:35:10 nevermind, I just got pettite scheme running in emacs 17:35:17 Cool :) 17:35:43 yeah, I've been trying for 3 hours... 17:38:37 joyfulgirl [~ivy@209-6-79-248.c3-0.abr-ubr1.sbo-abr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 17:38:43 -!- joyfulgirl [~ivy@209-6-79-248.c3-0.abr-ubr1.sbo-abr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 17:38:43 joyfulgirl 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lambda it returns takes one argument insted! 22:17:49 22:18:23 You misunderstand, add-one is the lambda 22:18:33 it isn't a function that returns one 22:19:23 (define (add-one) (lambda (x) (+ x 1))) would do that however 22:19:44 i see... 22:19:44 -!- sphex [~nobody@74.127.215.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:19:58 (define (func args ...) body) = (define func (lambda (args ...) body)) 22:20:10 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-145-245.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 22:20:45 sphex [~nobody@74.127.215.20] has joined #scheme 22:21:01 ijp: ok i got it now! thx! 22:21:10 no problem 22:32:30 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-7-112.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:32:54 jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 22:33:54 -!- tom_i [~thomasing@ingserv.demon.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:39:43 -!- dca [~user@178.252.127.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:40:50 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has 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