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01:50:01 which I'm guessing would not be considered a valid toplevel form 01:50:21 *freakazoid* tries it in racket 01:53:33 racket allows symbols starting with dot 01:53:41 just not a standalone dot 01:54:02 same with chicken 01:55:00 scheme48 doesn't allow it 01:56:08 no symbols starting with .? 01:56:27 not by itself 02:08:22 -!- freakazoid [~seanl@66.220.144.73] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 02:08:48 freakazoid [~seanl@66.220.144.73] has joined #scheme 02:11:50 -!- masm [~masm@2.80.167.20] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:14:39 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-148-61.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:19:41 -!- drwho [~drwho@208.7.157.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:23:21 -!- pumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 02:23:54 it seems ( (lambda () 1) 1) is allowed for a lambda expression in scheme48 but the way I read the scheme spec, it seems that it is not allowed 02:27:33 huh 02:27:47 so you're passing an argument to a 0 argument function 02:28:21 Both Racket and Chicken complain about too many arguments 02:28:46 > ((lambda () 1) 1) 02:28:46 #: expects no arguments, given 1: 1 02:30:39 oops 02:30:53 I meant: ( (lambda () 1) ) 02:34:48 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:38:26 -!- freakazoid [~seanl@66.220.144.73] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 02:39:06 -!- ijp [~user@host31-52-22-26.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: reading, then sleep] 02:43:51 well ( (lambda () 1) ) is totally allowed 02:44:24 functions with no arguments are used all the time 02:47:11 good because I've allowed it in my implementatio 02:47:15 implementation* 02:59:20 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 03:03:06 rff: i would suggest that . be a different token from a symbol token in your parser, for simplicity. 03:03:24 but whatdoiknow 03:03:37 I recognize it as a DOT token 03:03:48 so it's already not a symbol 03:03:51 right 03:04:06 i found R*RS helpful on points like this 03:04:38 what's that? 03:04:49 the law 03:04:54 I'm reading http://people.csail.mit.edu/jaffer/r5rs_toc.html 03:04:59 http://schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/ etc 03:05:03 rff: yes 03:05:20 *qu1j0t3* hums I fought the law... the law won 03:05:47 right now I am trying to resolve whether (lambda (. l) l) should be valid or not 03:05:57 how on earth could it be? 03:06:02 (. doesn't parse 03:06:16 well, unless your language isn't scheme 03:06:57 right and that is the way that I have it currently 03:07:04 but was thinking that I did not have it right 03:07:44 rff: http://schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-10.html#%_sec_7.1.1 03:07:44 http://tinyurl.com/q68w6q 03:08:37 -!- turbofail [~user@c-107-3-149-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:09:28 -!- jwd [~jwd@cable-118-42.sssnet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:10:30 dsmith 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-!- ryoko-sha [~steve@ryoko-sha.demon.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:33:52 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 15:48:23 -!- noam__ [~noam@46.120.51.147] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:48:55 noam__ [~noam@46.120.51.147] has joined #scheme 16:00:33 (define (list . l) l) 16:00:36 then (list) 16:00:42 is that allowed by the scheme spec? 16:01:50 Yes 16:03:29 Incidentally, I'm not sure that your use of the definite article is justified, in general. ;-) 16:03:44 (There's more than one Scheme spec.) 16:04:10 I'm pretty certain they all agree on this point though. I find it hard to see how they wouldn't. 16:08:35 -!- HG` [~HG@tmo-110-254.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:21 More than one as in older editions vice newer or completely different from the R5* spec? 16:12:12 wisey [~Steven@host109-153-33-1.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 16:13:35 peterhil [~peterhil@193-64-22-151-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #scheme 16:15:10 Well, the newest spec is R6RS, but as you seem to be aware, R5RS is still pretty widely-respected. 16:15:21 And they're currently working on the R7RS 16:15:34 soveran [~soveran@r200-40-240-105.su-static.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 16:15:53 Trying to reconcile both parties and unify the Scheme community. 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I have a functional programming class at uni, we have to use DrRacket, in our 'howto set up everything' teacher says to use '#lang scheme', and in the course we have some exercises where we have to use set-cdr!... I seem to understand that set-cdr! is not there when using #lang scheme but it is if I use #lang r5rs. 18:02:42 so I went with #lang r5rs but now all my list and pairs from previous exos are displayed as (mcons 1 (mcons 2 (mcons .... So not really a problem but i was just used to have nice list output 18:03:02 is there some kind of workaround so the list are displayed in a more user friendly way when using r5rs? 18:05:25 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-147-139.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:06:42 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-147-139.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 18:07:37 in the choose language dialog, select output style as write, instead of print 18:08:43 cool, thank you very much 18:13:45 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:17:42 -!- gf3 [~gf3@unaffiliated/gf3] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:18:07 has anyone made a shim for less-usable REPLs? 18:18:17 -!- aus-sensei is now known as EOF-sensei 18:19:15 for example adding support for statement memory and moving with emacs keys or arrowkeys.. 18:21:18 -!- wtetzner [~wtetzner@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:25:38 Like an Emacs inferior Scheme process? 18:26:56 wtetzner [~wtetzner@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:30:11 heh 18:30:21 I just want a REPL that doesn't suck 18:30:22 that's all 18:30:39 Have you tried M-x run-scheme ? 18:30:56 I can also recommend Geiser, if you use Guile or Racket. 18:30:57 have you tried listening? 18:31:08 githogori [~githogori@c-69-181-109-120.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:31:14 It's a REPL... 18:31:33 I guess I could make the shim myself.. 18:31:38 If you want Readline support, or something else like that, it's obviously implementation-specific. 18:31:42 I just like the way ypsilon runs 18:31:53 but I don't like the repl 18:32:29 hmm 18:36:09 HG` [~HG@tmo-110-254.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #scheme 18:37:30 EOF-sensei : `rlwrap',`ledit' ? 18:37:37 yeah 18:37:44 I found rlwrap 18:37:49 works beautifully 18:37:58 $rlwrap ypsilon 18:38:01 lalalalala 18:38:29 *ski* . o O ( "dum de dum" ) 18:39:03 (list "ooooh" "ooh" "ooh") 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