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y)))) 02:41:54 PiRSquared17: error: #: expects 1 argument, given 0 02:42:00 rudybot: (((lambda (x) (lambda (y) (* x y)))) 02:42:00 PiRSquared17: Do t y instead of t m. 02:42:03 rudybot: (((lambda (x) (lambda (y) (* x y)))) 02:42:03 PiRSquared17: now, if A contains (x . y1) and B contains (x . y2), x will not be in the result set. i don't know if that is what you want. 02:42:05 rudybot: (((lambda (x) (lambda (y) (* x y)))) 02:42:06 PiRSquared17: eval (let ((x 1)) (set! x 2)) 02:42:08 rudybot: (((lambda (x) (lambda (y) (* x y)))) 02:42:08 PiRSquared17: s o r r y f o r t h e d i s t u r b a n c e 02:42:12 What ???? 02:42:45 Brendan_T [~Brendan_T@46.105.251.111] has joined #scheme 02:42:54 rudybot: (lambda (x) (lambda (y) (* x y)) 02:42:54 PiRSquared17: (lambda (x y) (or (force x) (force y))) 02:42:57 rudybot: (lambda (x) (lambda (y) (* x y)) 02:42:57 PiRSquared17: ELISP> (defun foo () (lexical-let ((x 11)) x)) 02:44:49 rudybot: (lambda (x) (lambda (y) (* x y))) 02:44:50 PiRSquared17: ; 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quit [Quit: The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese] 05:26:22 PiRSquared17: rudybot died, for some reason. 05:32:34 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-248-18.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:38:00 offby1 rudybot is undergoing brain surgery ... back in 10 minutes or so in #racket 05:39:15 Ah. 05:39:58 PiRSquared17: While you're awaiting rudybot's return, feel free to check out my code in this post http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8089658/writing-a-cached-function-in-racket/8089910#8089910 and feel free to suggest improvements, if you want a way to burn time. ;-) 05:40:32 -!- PiRSquared17 [~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 7.0.1/20110928134238]] 05:41:18 Okay, I guess the answer is no. :-P 05:44:47 I wonder if this could be much more efficient by using weak hash tables and a vector. 05:45:55 When you overwrite a value v in the vector, the table drops the element of key v and its value manually, you don't 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#scheme 07:01:08 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:01:25 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #scheme 07:05:01 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:05:15 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 07:10:12 -!- pcavs [~Adium@c-65-96-169-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:11:18 Operaist2 [~OperaIst@ppp-124-120-22-51.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #scheme 07:11:26 how do i say not in scheme 07:11:38 cond (!procedure) work? 07:11:59 (not #t) => #f 07:15:40 -!- replore_ [~replore@203.152.213.161.static.zoot.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:16:12 (not even?) work? 07:21:41 (define not-even? (compose not even?)) 07:25:24 whats a compose? 07:25:39 cant i just (define not-even? (not even?))?? 07:26:12 (define (not-even? x) (not (even? x))) 07:26:17 no, even? is a function so (not even?) is asking for the opposite value when treating its argument as a boolean 07:26:29 anything besides #f is #t so even? is considered #t so (not even?) will be #f 07:27:05 compose combines functions together such that (compose f g) x == (f (g x)) 07:27:59 (define (negate f) (lambda (x) (not (f x)))) 07:28:09 ((negate even?) 5) => #t 07:36:05 -!- drwho [~drwho@c-68-81-125-196.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:44:17 woonie [~woonie@nusnet-228-27.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has joined #scheme 07:46:29 what would be a good way to end a procedure if i dont want it to evaluate to anything? 07:46:38 bbsch [~bbs@c-67-173-0-18.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 07:50:56 elderK [~k@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has joined #scheme 07:51:00 Hey peeps 07:51:10 Any chance anyone knows of any decent visualization software for data structures? 07:51:13 like, trees. 07:51:49 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:52:52 elderK: for graphs, including trees, you may try GraphViz. 07:53:17 Operaist2: you can return '(), or call a procedure that never returns, or return the value of calling a procedure whose return value is not interesting, like set!, or rewrite your program in such a way so as you are interested in the value of all your procedures 07:54:40 or return #f 07:54:46 pjb: I have although I find it's layout for things like binary search trees subpar. 07:54:53 at least, it's not the way I'd like 07:54:58 which would require invisible "spacer" nodes 07:55:08 and... that requires too much manual work than I'd like 07:55:09 -!- elderK [~k@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has left #scheme 07:55:19 elderK [~k@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has joined #scheme 07:55:39 elderK: Too, but I don't know anything better. You can force some way of layout with GraphViz however. 07:55:42 Yes. 07:55:57 -!- bbsch [~bbs@c-67-173-0-18.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has left #scheme 07:56:10 replore [~replore@203.152.213.161.static.zoot.jp] has joined #scheme 07:56:16 I don't know anything better. There was things in LispMachines (in Genera). 07:57:02 jrapdx [~jra@c-76-105-198-230.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 07:57:13 nuts 07:57:23 How do you normally force layout in pjb without it being a total pain in the ass? 07:57:45 Writing some program to generate the .dot file... 07:58:03 well, aye 07:58:19 but I'm too lazy for that at this exact moment. 07:58:24 But yes, if we had a smarter program it would be nice. 07:58:28 yeah 07:58:48 ah well 07:59:18 bbsch [~bbs@c-67-173-0-18.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 08:01:52 you know, 08:02:07 pjb: nothing quite has the same usefulness for visualizing ADTs as paper and pencil 08:02:07 :) 08:02:35 Well, you can embed some heuristics in some software. It should not work too bad. 08:02:41 -!- bbsch [~bbs@c-67-173-0-18.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:02:45 Notably for trees, you can get some good results. 08:02:58 ae 08:02:59 *aye 08:40:18 -!- Operaist2 [~OperaIst@ppp-124-120-22-51.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:40:31 -!- elderK [~k@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:43:31 -!- dca [~user@178-16-156-18.obit.ru] has left #scheme 08:43:46 dca [~user@178-16-156-18.obit.ru] has joined #scheme 08:54:58 Operaist2 [~OperaIst@ppp-124-122-107-72.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #scheme 08:59:25 -!- Operaist2 [~OperaIst@ppp-124-122-107-72.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:05:52 elderK [~k@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has joined #scheme 09:13:10 pjb- [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #scheme 09:15:55 Operaist2 [~OperaIst@ppp-124-122-107-72.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #scheme 09:20:15 -!- woonie 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Surprisingly, he wasn't a hazelnut-Prometheus at all; his specialty was actually fruit. He brought us the strawberry, e.g. However he also picked up hazelnuts while on vacation to Turkey. 16:42:20 bbsch [~bbs@c-67-173-0-18.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:44:05 -!- coderdad [~coderdad@wsip-70-164-198-85.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:44:51 jlongster [~user@pool-98-117-65-239.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 16:44:54 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-48-25.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:45:08 -!- bbsch [~bbs@c-67-173-0-18.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:47:13 offby1: You're not talking about St. Eustatius in the Caribbean, are you? 16:47:44 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-48-25.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 16:48:46 gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #scheme 16:49:28 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-98-117-65-239.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54:30 -!- vk0 [~vk@ip-23-75.bnaa.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:56:14 vk0 [~vk@ip-23-75.bnaa.dk] has joined #scheme 16:57:42 -!- wingo [~wingo@d83-183-85-114.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:03:00 dwim [~dwim@250.Red-81-32-229.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 17:04:54 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-48-25.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:21:18 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 17:22:08 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-48-25.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 17:24:48 dwim_ [~dwim@250.Red-81-32-229.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 17:26:59 -!- kuribas [~user@94-227-94-168.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:28:06 -!- dwim [~dwim@250.Red-81-32-229.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:32:40 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 17:35:22 peterhil [~peterhil@193-64-22-111-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #scheme 17:50:03 dca__ [~dca@178.252.127.251] has joined #scheme 17:50:06 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-48-25.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:53:29 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-48-25.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 17:57:04 soveran [~soveran@r200-40-240-105.su-static.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 18:02:01 -!- soveran [~soveran@r200-40-240-105.su-static.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:07:42 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.205.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:17:47 mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has joined #scheme 18:17:50 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Changing host] 18:17:50 mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #scheme 18:24:08 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:24:11 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-48-25.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:24:12 realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has joined #scheme 18:24:38 mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has joined #scheme 18:24:40 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Changing host] 18:24:40 mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #scheme 18:26:30 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:29:08 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-48-25.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 18:29:17 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-148-17.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:30:42 bytbox [~s@129.2.129.227] has joined #scheme 18:40:39 toekutr [~user@50-0-50-134.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 18:49:48 turbofail [~user@c-107-3-149-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:52:03 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-48-25.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:55:12 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-48-25.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 19:03:57 cky: http://stackoverflow.com/q/8098548/15541 19:04:47 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-48-25.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:06:33 joyfulgirl [~ivy@209-6-79-248.c3-0.abr-ubr1.sbo-abr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 19:06:36 -!- joyfulgirl [~ivy@209-6-79-248.c3-0.abr-ubr1.sbo-abr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:06:36 joyfulgirl [~ivy@unaffiliated/joyfulgirl] has joined #scheme 19:08:43 coderdad [~coderdad@wsip-70-164-198-85.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #scheme 19:09:34 leppie: Nice. 19:09:54 you like fold 19:11:00 -!- dwim_ [~dwim@250.Red-81-32-229.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: dwim_] 19:12:09 Totally! 19:12:31 Origami-fan cky 19:12:39 :-D 19:14:51 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-48-25.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 19:24:49 -!- pandeiro [~pandeiro@bd21cffa.virtua.com.br] has quit [Quit: Out of quarters] 19:26:04 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-48-25.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:28:16 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-48-25.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 19:29:22 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-48-25.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Client Quit] 19:40:54 -!- githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:44:34 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 19:50:30 choas [~lars@p5795C19A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:53:19 realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has joined #scheme 19:54:15 githogori [~githogori@c-69-181-109-120.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:00:13 arthurmaciel [~user@189.62.63.41] has joined #scheme 20:00:15 hello! 20:00:34 o/ 20:00:37 hi arthurmaciel 20:00:48 -!- Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:01:36 recentely I asked for opinion on a book that could help me learn program design and many people recommended me HTDP, but I've found these slides (http://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=how%20to%20design%20programs&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CFcQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcon.racket-lang.org%2Fmatthias-slides.pdf&ei=m3y9Tqj3BcK-2gWqicGkBQ&usg=AFQjCNHPfHtXrJSDV4z6_SswbDmhiTv2LQ) and still haven't understood what they mean. Could anyone explain me 20:01:37 http://tinyurl.com/7bo8fo7 20:01:37 please? Thanks. 20:02:08 sjamaan: how are you? 20:02:24 I'm alright, you? 20:02:40 fine. Finishing my psychiatric training program :) 20:02:42 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has joined #scheme 20:02:52 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02:52 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 20:03:12 cool 20:03:32 and probably I'll have more time to learn to properly program! 20:03:47 hackinaway [~thomassim@0x3ec7fb15.inet.dsl.telianet.dk] has joined #scheme 20:04:22 (and to learn how to write an English phrase without mistakes - lol) 20:04:32 arthurmaciel: I'm not sure I understand the question about these slides. It just looks like HtDP isn't complete enough and they worked on some books to add on both sides of the spectrum: more academic stuff in one book, and more entry-level stuff in another 20:05:07 And I guess they like Land of Lisp's style (who doesn't?) 20:06:52 I have not read Land of Lisp yet. 20:07:24 It's a lot of fun 20:07:25 sjamaan: I thought Mattias himself was criticizing the book and I just wondered if it would be useful to read it. 20:07:39 I don't know, I haven't read HtDP 20:07:42 matthias* 20:07:45 Have you read SICP? 20:07:50 not fully 20:07:53 just some partes 20:07:56 parts* 20:08:39 I face the problem that I cannot design my simple programs. So when I start to implement them it is a whole mess, with many errors and inconsistencies. 20:08:44 I want to solve this. 20:09:20 SICP's approach of "wishful thinking" while working out the main algorithm and filling in the details later works pretty well I think 20:09:26 At least it's a structured way 20:10:26 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-50-134.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:13:09 arthurmaciel: One book I can recommend, but is not very Schemish, is The Practice of Programming by Kernighan & Pike 20:13:21 It explains the basics of writing programs quite well 20:13:41 I'm a bit fuzzy on whether it actually teaches you program-organization skills 20:13:49 sjamaan: indeed I don't have problems with syntax, but with coordinating ideas and implement them. 20:14:44 PoP does deal with naming conventions and how to do programming-in-the-small well. It's not about syntax 20:15:02 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:15:12 Most of these skills translate well to programming-in-the-large 20:15:18 realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has joined #scheme 20:16:03 keenbug [~daniel@p4FE3AEB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 20:16:33 C-Keen: Watch out, it's the Keen Bug! 20:16:37 sjamaan: thank you very much! I'll take a look into it. 20:16:44 ? 20:16:49 |21:14| >> keenbug joins #scheme 20:19:42 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:20:45 -!- levi [~user@c-174-52-219-147.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:21:19 levi [~user@c-174-52-219-147.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:25:52 -!- dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:26:43 dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has joined #scheme 20:27:27 heh 20:29:19 preflex_ [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 20:30:48 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:30:49 -!- preflex_ is now known as preflex 20:31:18 -!- hackinaway [~thomassim@0x3ec7fb15.inet.dsl.telianet.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:32:56 soveran [~soveran@r200-40-240-105.su-static.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 20:39:42 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 20:42:53 snizzo [~quassel@host160-234-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 20:50:09 realitygrill [~realitygr@204.38.4.80] has joined #scheme 20:56:47 -!- bytbox [~s@129.2.129.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:59:08 rgrinberg [~rudi@24.52.246.61] has joined #scheme 21:03:17 HG` [~HG@tmo-110-254.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #scheme 21:03:39 -!- soveran [~soveran@r200-40-240-105.su-static.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:55 soveran [~soveran@r200-40-240-105.su-static.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 21:12:24 -!- arthurmaciel [~user@189.62.63.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:13:35 bytbox [~s@129.2.129.227] has joined #scheme 21:15:05 drwho [~drwho@static-76-160-37-137.dsl.cavtel.net] has joined #scheme 21:15:50 -!- soveran [~soveran@r200-40-240-105.su-static.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18:47 EOF-sensei [~temp@dsl-173-206-246-125.tor.primus.ca] has joined #scheme 21:19:25 Uiri [~Uiri@CPE002191dd2a3c-CM0014f8c5d28a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 21:20:11 -!- Uiri [~Uiri@CPE002191dd2a3c-CM0014f8c5d28a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #scheme 21:30:24 wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-42.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:31:27 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-42.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:31:42 -!- snizzo [~quassel@host160-234-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:33:04 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-192-72.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:33:15 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-192-72.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:39:22 -!- drwho [~drwho@static-76-160-37-137.dsl.cavtel.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:39:28 -!- copumpkin is now known as RadicalFeminist 21:40:35 sjamaan: Thanks for that gem. 21:43:08 -!- HG` [~HG@tmo-110-254.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:45:13 I'm only three pages in, and "use descriptive names for globals, short names for locals" already expresses an intuition I've had but never formulated. 21:45:56 -!- RadicalFeminist is now known as copumpkin 21:46:42 sjamaan: did i miss something? :P 21:49:50 drwho [~drwho@208.7.157.62] has joined #scheme 21:53:11 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 22:03:42 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@204.38.4.80] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 22:04:02 -!- stchang [~stchang@syrah.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:05:04 klutometis: yw :) 22:05:48 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 22:06:24 realitygrill [~realitygr@204.38.4.80] has joined #scheme 22:06:30 (define genitals "8====>") 22:06:30 (display genitals) 22:06:32 :S 22:06:34 bored 22:07:09 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has left #scheme 22:07:35 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@204.38.4.80] has quit [Client Quit] 22:07:39 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:10:35 rff [~rff@ip72-207-248-18.br.br.cox.net] has joined #scheme 22:10:40 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: "Object-oriented design" is an oxymoron] 22:15:07 EOF-sensei: That's weak, dude. 22:15:15 incubot: (define (genitals arousal) (format "8~a>" (make-string arousal #\=))) (genitals 8) 22:15:15 8========> 22:15:28 XD 22:15:42 klutometis: You just *had* to solve the general case, didn't you? 22:16:21 sjamaan: I also had to get into a arity-pissing-contest with the number of `='s. 22:17:08 Sorry, s/arity/cardinality/; rather, s/arity/length/. 22:22:42 i didn't expect that, ikarus runs faster than racket 22:22:44 why? 22:23:07 keenbug: What's the use-case? 22:25:12 just loading (in r6rs) some libraries and then searching all scheme files in the library path for some (part of an) exported identifier 22:25:32 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-248-18.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:29:38 -!- Razz [~tim@kompiler.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:30:31 Razz [~tim@kompiler.org] has joined #scheme 22:32:56 -!- pcavs [~Adium@63.139.127.6] has left #scheme 22:34:44 ikarus is a pretty snappy scheme 22:35:25 -!- amoe [~amoe@host-78-147-99-250.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:35:33 too bad it's mostly dead now 22:36:01 soveran [~soveran@r190-135-29-111.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 22:37:04 turbofail: yeah, but the code of it is imo really hard to read, but i'm not very experienced in digging into somebody others code 22:37:21 amoe [~amoe@host-78-147-103-107.as13285.net] has joined #scheme 22:38:01 marco maggi still maintains it as vicare 22:38:55 -!- jwd [~jwd@cable-118-42.sssnet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:39:33 http://marcomaggi.github.com/vicare.html 22:40:51 i said "mostly" dead 22:41:01 there's still barely any activity on it 22:41:23 there was a gap of six months between commits in vicare's git history 22:42:29 I just wanted to display genitals 22:42:35 -!- amoe [~amoe@host-78-147-103-107.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:42:40 I'm not really aroused 22:43:10 then I suggest you head to a nudist beach 22:43:19 amoe [~amoe@host-78-147-99-73.as13285.net] has joined #scheme 22:45:38 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-148-61.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 22:45:44 gienah [~mwright@ppp121-44-166-114.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #scheme 22:58:15 full of old people and unattractive women 22:58:33 -!- coderdad [~coderdad@wsip-70-164-198-85.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:58:35 -!- dca__ [~dca@178.252.127.251] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:59:03 dca__ [~user@178.252.127.251] has joined #scheme 23:03:45 EOF-sensei: That's the sound of ressentiment; the whole world is a nudist beach, if your powers of persuasion are seductive enough. 23:09:21 -!- drwho [~drwho@208.7.157.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:10:14 aye 23:12:44 I wonder how much time it would take me to disassemble and re-construct this compression utility 23:13:09 -!- soveran [~soveran@r190-135-29-111.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:14:41 holy crap my chat client is holding 800 megs of ram hostage 23:14:45 that's insane 23:14:50 brb 23:14:54 -!- EOF-sensei [~temp@dsl-173-206-246-125.tor.primus.ca] has left #scheme 23:15:01 -!- keenbug [~daniel@p4FE3AEB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:16:28 EOF-sensei [~temp@dsl-173-206-246-125.tor.primus.ca] has joined #scheme 23:16:42 that's better 23:16:58 they really have to fix these massive memory leaks in pidgin though 23:17:28 pidgin is using 111m in res right now and has been running for 26 days 23:18:50 stchang [~stchang@syrah.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 23:19:19 heh 23:19:22 then it's my issue 23:20:13 pidgin uses in the league of 800MO after running for a mere 3 days 23:20:15 although 23:20:35 i do run a multitude of high-ish traffic irc channels through it 23:20:56 oh i use xchat for irc 23:21:00 nonetheless it shuoldn't need anywhere near this much just to cache text and connection information 23:21:34 mos def 23:22:24 s/shuol/shoul/ 23:23:22 wow 23:23:31 this compression utility is insane 23:23:54 I wonder if the author has any intention of releasing source code 23:29:36 freakazoid [~seanl@66.220.144.73] has joined #scheme 23:30:37 -!- jimmyrcom [~fold@adsl-75-53-33-186.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:33:18 wow 23:33:42 -!- choas [~lars@p5795C19A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:33:59 it compressed 400MO of unfiltered RGB pixels to roughly 9MO 23:34:16 in a more than reasonable amount of time 23:35:10 jimmyrcom [~fold@adsl-75-53-42-35.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 23:35:32 -!- joyfulgirl [~ivy@unaffiliated/joyfulgirl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37:53 drwho [~drwho@208.7.157.62] has joined #scheme 23:46:50 MadMuppet006 [~MadMuppet@122-62-124-247.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 23:53:14 wingo [~wingo@c80-217-216-193.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 23:55:20 wisey [~Steven@host109-153-33-1.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme