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Or does Ruby's come from Chicken? 01:14:19 Ruby dates from ~ 1995 01:14:52 Where does Chicken date from? 01:15:19 I know Ruby is partially inspired by Scheme, so I s'pose #{} could have originated in another Scheme if Chicken is newer 01:16:13 Chicken was announced in mid-2000 01:16:24 ah 01:16:26 Ruby is more influenced by Smalltalk and Perl, I thought 01:16:46 Its Perl influence is one of the reasons I decided to stop persuing it 01:16:53 when I was considering switching from Python 01:18:04 freakazoid: What about its Perl influence do you dislike? 01:18:12 freakazoid: What Ruby features in particular turned you off? 01:18:53 regular expressions in the core language, pollution of namespaces, excessive use of global variables 01:19:15 also regular use of monkey-patching 01:20:02 which, IMO should be rare and syntactically inconvenient 01:21:53 freakazoid: JS has regexes in the core language too. It's not a bad thing at all. 01:22:07 I am not a JS fan either. 01:22:13 It has a namespacing system that's not too different from most languages, either. 01:22:27 Idiomatic Ruby doesn't use global variables very frequently. 01:22:41 If only people wrote idiomatic Ruby 01:22:57 They should! "Just because you can doesn't mean you should." 01:23:28 anyway, I wouldn't turn down a job offer programming in Ruby, it just doesn't offer enough that, combined with its warts, could influence me to switch from Python. 01:23:52 chromaticwt [~user@71-222-135-58.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 01:24:25 Well, I would turn it down because i like my current job, which has very little Ruby 01:24:26 freakazoid: I haven't played with Python enough to have a firm opinion yet, but, for me, I like Ruby better for now. 01:24:42 If you already use Ruby there's no reason to switch to Python 01:24:51 Hehehehe. 01:24:54 I don't think Python offers enough over Ruby to make it worth switching either :) 01:25:13 Also Python is missing tasks and safe mode, the two things that got me looking at Ruby in the first place 01:25:40 freakazoid | If only people wrote idiomatic Ruby #lesigh 01:25:52 One of the places I was thinking of working used Ruby and Clojure 01:26:17 freakazoid: Is that place called Relevance? 01:26:20 but they couldn't decide whether they actually had an opening until a few weeks after I accepted an offer from Facebook 01:26:23 freakazoid: what do you code mostly at work now? 01:26:24 Runa 01:26:30 qu1j0t3: At the moment, Python 01:26:38 freakazoid: You accepted a job offer from Facebook?! 01:26:42 :) 01:26:45 Yeah back in April 01:26:52 freakazoid: So, like. Correct me if I'm wrong. Facebook is mainly PHP, right? 01:26:55 I've done a bunch of PHP too 01:27:04 the frontend is Facebook-flavored PHP 01:27:09 which has a lot of neat extensions 01:27:11 freakazoid: have any comments on XHP? 01:27:13 freakazoid: I hate PHP so much that I automatically ignore any job openings where I have to work with PHP. 01:27:28 *qu1j0t3* is very interested in XHP. 01:27:41 cky: wise 01:27:59 cky: I am in a PHP role now, but that's because it was the first one that hap'd along in a desperate moment. I also tried google. 01:28:12 qu1j0t3: :-OOOO 01:28:27 Well the main thing I noticed about XHP is that PreparableXHP is only useful if you're only using the info you get out of memcached/the dbs for rendering the XHP 01:28:28 cky: I didn't get an offer from google, so that puts me with the 99.9% 01:28:56 I will probably be writing a bunch more XHP pretty soon. I am not a frontend engineer but I wrote a new SVG heatmap that needs to be ported from Python to PHP 01:29:08 freakazoid: the XHP guy (M--something) commented on Quora to the effect that XHP was dead and things are done differently now 01:29:12 freakazoid: i can find his comment 01:29:18 qu1j0t3: Google seems to be losing its ability to be disruptive. 01:29:28 freakazoid: i'd still work there in a shot. 01:29:42 freakazoid: i was planning to relocate for it 01:29:43 qu1j0t3: Heh yeah so would most people. 01:29:51 qu1j0t3: Come to Facebook instead :) 01:30:14 freakazoid: I would only work for Facebook if it's written in my job contract that I wouldn't have to touch PHP with a 10-foot barge pole. 01:30:18 cky: :D 01:30:33 qu1j0t3: Hmm, I'm not sure what that could refer to. It's possible there's something new in the works but I can't think of what that'd be. 01:30:50 The most newfangled thing I've played with in the PHP code is generator-based preparables 01:30:53 freakazoid: let me find the comment then? i was a little surprised. since I think the concept is incredible, *if* you have to use PHP. 01:31:25 cky: One thing that surprised me about Facebook is how few of the engineers we hire already know PHP, much less like it. 01:31:42 cky: I think that's why we rewrote it and are tweaking it all the time. 01:31:44 freakazoid: Okay, so does Facebook have a sensible migration plan away from PHP? 01:31:48 qu1j0t3: Yeah that'd be interesting. 01:32:05 *qu1j0t3* tries to find it ... finding things on Quora can be hard 01:32:13 cky: Well, the general consensus seems to be that we'll always have PHP on the frontend, but that more and more stuff will migrate to services. 01:32:58 freakazoid: Right. 01:33:04 The thing about PHP is that it's a pain to make anything written in PHP available to other parts of the infrastructure, since very little of the rest is in PHP 01:33:13 hence thrift sorta? 01:33:20 Yeah 01:34:14 We do have the ability to build a library that contains all the PHP code but it's a pain to keep synced with what's on the web site (since services have their own deployment schedules) and the frontend developers don't necessarily realize that non-PHP code somewhere is consuming their APIs 01:34:35 cky: I'm seriously tired of PHP. I did it in the 1990s, can't believe I'm doing it now. It's basically because I didn't hav the flexibility to hang out for more interesting opportunites. 01:35:07 cky: but, i'm still better off than many. 01:35:13 well at least at Facebook you'd have a lot of choices of non-PHP teams to work on 01:35:31 qu1j0t3: What do you mean by "not having the flexibility"? 01:35:32 You'd have to touch PHP in bootcamp and if you did anything that required frontend changes you'd probably have to touch some PHP, though 01:35:40 family? 01:35:47 wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-140-165.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 01:36:03 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-140-165.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 01:36:27 cky: jobs sometimes end unexpectedly, and not many people have the resources to job hunt for a long time. 01:36:36 cky: tht means the quality of what you accept is less, on average. 01:36:37 I should try to get Scheme supported at Facebook. We have Haskell and D, after all. 01:36:55 daedra [~simon@unaffiliated/daedra] has joined #scheme 01:37:03 freakazoid: oooh, tell us more about how Fb uses Haskell. 01:37:12 freakazoid: that's a Hold-the-presses story imho 01:37:17 I think all of FB's Haskell code is open source 01:37:41 freakazoid: where does it sit in the overall scheme? 01:37:47 some PHP source code processing tools are all I know about, but there's probably more somewhere 01:37:48 *qu1j0t3* puns oblliviously 01:37:55 freakazoid: makes sense 01:37:59 There aren't, afaik, any parts of the infrastructure that rely on it. 01:38:06 DO you know about Hackathons? 01:38:12 no? 01:38:17 oh, well a little. 01:38:20 i was reading something recently 01:38:26 Every six weeks or so we stay up all night and hack on whatever we want. 01:38:29 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-176-174.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:38:33 That's how photos was built 01:39:05 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-176-174.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:39:12 There's a daytime version now too since we have so many old fogeys like me with families 01:39:33 but people also use whatever language they want depending on what they're hacking on 01:39:44 I suspect that's where the Haskell comes from 01:39:54 freakazoid: i'm a big fan of the skunkworks concept, and i think this is a skunkworks concept 01:39:56 oops 01:40:02 i mean hackathons fit the model 01:40:12 i spent some time debating this at $WORK yesterday 01:40:19 https://github.com/facebook/lex-pass 01:41:01 To me hackathons are a way to do what Google tries to do with 20% time while making sure people don't feel pressured to work on work stuff 01:41:14 i've been involved in at least one successful major skunkworks initiative; i liked it because it was fun; it delivered; and it did what the existing organisation could not. 01:41:14 I've heard Google employees refer to 20% time as "5% time" 01:41:29 freakazoid: yes. i think there's the Myth and the Reality. 01:41:39 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-140-165.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:41:49 yeah that's something more traditional organizations tend to do - spin off entire teams for months 01:41:50 -!- wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-140-165.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:41:55 freakazoid: yes. 01:41:59 freakazoid: i'm seeing a pattern 01:42:03 a hackathon is the whole engineering department for a day or two 01:42:05 freakazoid: in successful, disruptive initiatives. 01:42:14 freakazoid: Gmail was an 80/20 project, allegedly. (in the 20) 01:42:28 Yeah, as was Orkut I think 01:42:34 orkut was an acquisition. 01:42:41 Oh, I didn't realize that 01:43:44 freakazoid: yes, Hackathons and 80/20 are both what i call "skunkworks". Splitting off part of the resources to a different set of goals. 01:43:59 freakazoid: at $WORK I see things that the ordinary process cannot achieve 01:44:17 I think that there's a tendency in organizations to only work on the most important short term goals 01:44:26 which means longer term stuff doesn't happen 01:44:30 freakazoid: so I see the concept as really essential to be disruptive.. a company should be free to disrupt ITSELF. 01:44:38 freakazoid: EXACTLY. 01:44:41 so you have to give people permission to work on stuff that's not at the top of their priority list 01:44:48 but that's hard to do if you don't institutionalize it 01:44:51 freakazoid: that's precisely the paralysis I was describing yesterday. 01:45:06 if you always work on "the most important goal" then competing goals stagnate 01:45:11 yep 01:45:14 -!- daedra [~simon@unaffiliated/daedra] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:45:14 traditional process deals with this very badly 01:45:18 i've seen it first hand 01:45:25 as well as seen huge success from breaking off 01:45:44 well, that's the "traditional" way to be disruptive that's advocated by The Innovator's Dilemma 01:45:53 freakazoid: yes, it has to be systematised. the 80/20 is a good example. 01:45:54 That's how Target was started, apparently 01:46:03 daedra [~simon@unaffiliated/daedra] has joined #scheme 01:46:16 hmmmm that may be a good book to show our founder 01:46:23 Well, it sounds like in Google's case they mostly just pay lip service to that in many teams 01:46:27 freakazoid: yes 01:46:29 freakazoid: that's expected 01:46:42 freakazoid: those teams commensurately lose the magic 01:46:50 You aren't required to attend a hackathon, but if you do you're required to hack 01:46:56 -!- djanatyn [~djanatyn@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:46:59 freakazoid: right, there has to be discipline about it. 01:47:08 freakazoid: it's just discipline on Plan B 01:47:21 freakazoid: the aerospace industry i think has great anecdotes about this 01:47:35 freakazoid: the SR-71 was, I think, THE most famous skunkworks project 01:47:45 I watched Linden Lab go from having a really disruptive technology to being so worried about risking their bottom line that they became incredibly conservative 01:47:52 Hmmm 01:47:54 djanatyn [~djanatyn@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has joined #scheme 01:48:00 I actually have the book "Skunk Works" 01:48:03 somewhere 01:48:05 freakazoid: and in space programmes, it's known that internal competition has produced successes. iirc the Apollo moon shot plan was an outside deal 01:48:17 *qu1j0t3* has to eat dinner. 01:48:23 I think when I read it initially 10 years ago I wasn't thinking about these issues 01:48:23 freakazoid: this is a fascinating topic. 01:48:28 I'll be around :) 01:48:33 freakazoid: I certainly wasn't thinking about it 10 years ago. 01:48:37 I'm involved in new space stuff 01:48:40 on the side 01:48:40 freakazoid: but i've seen a lot of bad and good in the past 7 years 01:48:57 so i'm seeing some patterns here 01:48:59 *qu1j0t3* goes 01:49:04 bon apetit 01:50:04 perhaps a slightly less interesting topic: what should I name this nested map thing? 01:51:16 (define (thing f l1 l2) (map (lambda (x) (map (lambda (y) (f x y)) l2)) l1) 01:51:51 I'd call it cartesian-map. 01:52:02 foreach i1 in l1, foreach i2 in l2, apply f 01:52:09 Since: 01:52:13 hmm ok I'll look that up 01:52:24 It's applying f for the cartesian product of l1 and l2. 01:54:35 yes this is appropriate, thanks cky :) 01:54:55 :-)\ 02:03:15 -!- pygospa [~Pygosceli@kiel-d9bfdb6b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: schlafen] 02:03:41 pygospa [~Pygosceli@kiel-d9bfdb6b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 02:05:30 -!- blackened [~blackened@ip-89-102-29-120.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: blackened] 02:09:37 drwho [~drwho@c-68-81-125-196.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:11:24 -!- daedra [~simon@unaffiliated/daedra] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:12:17 lobengulu 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system and integrates really easily with C++ 03:54:05 A lot of people like Racket for its IDE and awesome debugger and VM and nice C FFI 03:54:12 and probably other stuff 03:54:32 And Bigloo and Gambit appear to produce the fastest compiled code 03:57:48 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:02:51 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #scheme 04:03:27 -!- jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:08:13 -!- confab [~win7@c-24-10-60-185.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:08:23 -!- lbc [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:08:28 confab [~win7@c-24-10-60-185.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:27:58 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-131-187.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 04:31:49 -!- tali713 [~tali713@c-75-72-220-197.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:33:27 -!- masm 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19:52:02 Hey peeps! 19:53:04 cheep cheep 19:53:08 is it Easter already? 19:54:26 sajith [~sajith@140-182-227-149.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 19:58:13 :P I wish? 19:58:20 easter? 19:58:23 it's november 19:58:29 -!- fschwidom [~fschwidom@92.117.236.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:58:57 That doesn't mean I don't want candy 19:58:58 :P 19:59:28 then you shouldn't have eaten all the halloween candy! 19:59:59 rudybot: I hope you weren't as gluttonous 20:00:00 ijp: Hi, is it possible to get all buffers matching a pattern as a list, or iterate over all buffers matching a pattern? 20:04:42 rudybot: eval (+ 3 4) 20:04:54 *offby1: error: with-limit: out of time 20:04:56 -!- wingo [~wingo@AMontsouris-551-1-52-116.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:05:00 :-( 20:05:18 halloween sucks 20:05:23 halloween candies suck 20:08:36 yeah, but they're free. 20:12:02 lolno 20:12:02 I would tend to disagree with that viewpoint 20:12:06 :D 20:12:18 Nisstyre: I assume he's referring to the hard candies. 20:12:22 lolno 20:12:23 I would tend to disagree with that viewpoint 20:12:28 it's a script :P 20:12:35 I'm starting to suspect that very thing. 20:12:40 lolno 20:12:41 I would tend to disagree with that viewpoint 20:12:44 :P 20:12:49 ok, I'm done 20:13:15 lolno 20:13:16 I would tend to disagree with that viewpoint 20:13:32 pretty sophisticated script 20:14:16 I am lolno 20:14:17 I would tend to disagree with that viewpoint 20:14:22 heh 20:14:45 l 20:14:46 lo 20:14:47 lol 20:14:49 loln 20:14:51 lolna 20:14:55 ololno 20:14:58 I would tend to disagree with that viewpoint 20:15:06 *offby1* makes a note 20:15:18 I went to the ophtalolnologist. 20:15:18 I would tend to disagree with that viewpoint 20:15:28 :) 20:15:40 we're scientists, investigating a fascinating new phenomenon. 20:15:47 Nisstyre: help 20:15:50 Nisstyre: source 20:15:52 Nisstyre: lolno 20:15:57 *offby1* rubs chin 20:16:17 he's not a bot 20:16:49 what! 20:16:52 that's disappointing. 20:16:58 :D 20:17:05 soveran [~soveran@host186.190-136-33.telecom.net.ar] has joined #scheme 20:17:08 he lurks on a lot of channels 20:18:24 hmm 20:18:26 idea 20:18:31 -!- zmv is now known as lolno 20:18:34 test 20:18:34 I would tend to disagree with that viewpoint 20:18:38 hahahahahaha 20:18:38 I would tend to disagree with that viewpoint 20:18:44 WIN 20:18:45 I would tend to disagree with that viewpoint 20:22:56 he's on just #scheme and ##cinema, which I'm also on; that suggests the perpetrator is someone known to me ... 20:24:27 -!- pierreghz_ [~pierreghz@cust-52-48-111-94.dyn.as47377.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 20:24:42 -!- lolno is now known as zmv 20:26:49 seems to go under a lot of nicks. 20:27:34 Anyone know of a decent homogeneous matrix extension for Chicken for working with OpenGL? 20:28:09 I'd love to wrap glm but it uses lots and lots of templates and I'm not sure where to start there 20:28:50 Needs to have a non-viral license, too 20:29:04 especially given that it's now cold season 20:29:05 The GPL minefield among Chicken eggs may drive me to another Scheme implementation. 20:29:09 hehe 20:29:12 I got my flu shot at least 20:29:45 zmv: go fuck yourself :P 20:30:18 aha! he speaks 20:30:34 offby1: it's an xchat plugin that says that whenever someone says "lolno" 20:30:35 -!- zmv [~zmv@c95339f3.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:30:36 I disabled it 20:30:49 I forgot I had it enabled 20:30:52 heh 20:31:17 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:32:48 coderdad [~coderdad@pat-ip-129-15-127-226.fennfwsm.ou.edu] has joined #scheme 20:33:23 Ah, xchat, the mirc of non-windows world. 20:34:15 -!- soveran [~soveran@host186.190-136-33.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:34:16 haha 20:36:31 -!- offby1 [~user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:39:14 XTL: hm. i never liked xchat much. now I use weechat (a 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plagued by gremlins? 23:43:44 ijp: I dont believe it. 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