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A combinatorics package. 05:19:25 Maybe it's time to SRFI; damn: that's ambitious, though. 05:19:32 others have done it 05:19:37 offby1: Links? 05:19:42 (PLT-specific, I wager?) 05:19:44 Oh, I meant "others have SRFId" 05:19:48 and lived to tell the tale. 05:19:53 Be brace and think of Olin. 05:19:56 *brace 05:19:59 GAAAAAH 05:20:08 BRAVO ROMEO ALPHA VICTOR ECHO 05:20:10 offby1: Heh. 05:20:37 Riastradh SRFI'd (appropriate apostrophe?), though, and lived to regret it; it seems. 05:20:39 klutometis: Just start it. Others will help. 05:21:31 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:21:53 foof: Ok; maybe I'll grab a couple canonical R packages for ideas. 05:22:02 Even these (or a subset of these) would suffice for my needs: . 05:22:04 http://tinyurl.com/3gqe48o 05:22:33 Good idea - also compare matlab/octave and mathematica. 05:23:26 preflex_ [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 05:24:04 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:24:10 -!- preflex_ is now known as preflex 05:25:33 -!- mikecsh [~mikecsh@113.28.74.33] has quit [Quit: mikecsh] 05:33:30 And if a SRFI seems like too much work, you can always just write a package for the new Snow. 05:37:25 foof: Something like for R7RS, you mean? 05:39:04 Yes, not available yet, but soon. 05:41:03 -!- EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@190.244.27.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:44:52 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit 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distinct from value objects. 22:19:43 let's have a separate heap for every data type! 22:19:55 doesn't bibop kind of work that way? 22:20:26 C++ allows that, actually. 22:20:31 Explicitly. 22:20:42 Each type can have it's own new operator. 22:20:57 hmmm... in my scheme implementation, symbols are stored on the heap, and they will be collected when the references go away... like in most other schemes, I believe 22:21:39 i guess bibop only "works that way" in the very loosest sense of that phrase 22:21:41 except when they are interned... then it won't work.. 22:22:00 Pretty much a ruby symbol. 22:22:08 They're a kind of interned, read-only string. 22:22:25 But they're used as labels or identifiers, not actually as strings. 22:22:31 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #scheme 22:23:12 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-49.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:31 turbofail: What would be the benefit of these separate heaps? 22:24:47 nothing 22:24:54 well bibop has its uses 22:24:58 but that's not really the same thing 22:25:23 you could also do things like use different GC strategies for data types that can't reference other gc'd objects 22:25:38 like strings, or uniform (int|float|whatever) arrays 22:26:24 dostoyevsky: cache locality, possibly, but usually it's an attempt to avoid fragmentation. 22:26:31 Bignums come to mind... I also have trouble storing cons/pairs in my memory managment.. I waste a lot of space for these 22:28:07 In Erlang, they have a heap per process. They say it makes cleaning up things easy 22:28:11 you could also allocate FFI data in a separate heap that uses a nonmoving GC 22:28:31 while sticking with moving GC for the rest 22:30:06 brandelune [~suzume@pl316.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 22:31:03 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Quit: bye] 22:31:27 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #scheme 22:38:32 I'd prefer using a deterministic approach for FFI data. 22:38:44 Explicit cleanup and all that. 22:42:02 I wonder if in a scheme context a continuation includes the state of local variables and to what extend. Somehow I have not really seen a good definition of this in R5RS so far.. 22:43:39 huh 22:44:17 nolsen01 [~chatzilla@cpe-76-168-126-2.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:44:42 He's asking if variables are captured automatically despite not being used. 22:45:01 ah 22:45:21 well if they're not used then it doesn't matter 22:45:43 and if it does matter, then lexical scope has been broken 22:45:54 turbofail: The current context is about GC, though. 22:46:03 turbofail: So it does matter. 22:46:19 framling [~pete@cpe-74-64-94-88.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:49:36 if a reference to a particular variable doesn't show up in the continuation then whatever that variable was pointing to should be able to be GC'd 22:49:47 -!- nolsen01 [~chatzilla@cpe-76-168-126-2.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 7.0.1/20111008085056]] 22:50:45 which is probably what would happen to a variable that is never set in an implementation that uses display closures 22:54:26 (assuming we're dealing with a program that's been CPS transformed anyway) 22:55:40 turbofail: Also note that we were talking about an FFI. 22:58:24 -!- Brendan_T [~brendan@46.105.251.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:06:26 Brendan_T [~brendan@46.105.251.111] has joined #scheme 23:07:37 http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/4e1f782be5ba2841 23:07:57 But note 23:07:57 that only the *control* path is repeated; any globals that you 23:07:57 SETF'd [such as the yello sticky] *aren't* reset when you call the 23:07:57 continuation a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc., time, so you can use them to 23:08:02 oops... 23:08:13 Well, that's what I wanted to know. :) 23:12:33 -!- Brendan_T [~brendan@46.105.251.111] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:59 choas [~lars@p5795C07F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 23:27:52 luist [~luist@189.59.201.53] has joined #scheme 23:27:52 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 23:35:26 -!- brandelune [~suzume@pl316.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: brandelune] 23:35:57 brandelune [~suzume@pl316.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 23:37:02 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-65-177.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 23:50:30 -!- choas [~lars@p5795C07F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:52:09 soveran_ [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 23:52:10 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:52:42 -!- amoe [~amoe@host-78-147-148-15.as13285.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:52:53 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 23:53:21 -!- brandelune [~suzume@pl316.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: brandelune] 23:53:35 Giomancer [~Gio@adsl-76-231-35-17.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 23:54:35 -!- soveran_ is now known as soveran 23:55:47 githogori [~githogori@c-24-7-1-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:56:41 amoe [~amoe@host-92-26-166-110.as13285.net] has joined #scheme