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I hope they read logs. 04:06:27 I suppress PART, JOIN, etc 04:12:45 Pity I wasn't around, I could have advised him on the Great Twenty-Eight. 04:17:54 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:17:59 For Scheme, try racket, gosh, mit-scheme, gsi -:s, csi -R numbers, bigloo, scsh, guile, kawa, scheme48, sisc, chibi-scheme, petite, scm -m, ikarus, larceny, ypsilon, mosh, iron, stklos, ksi, sscm, s9, s7, elk, umb-scheme, vx-scheme, oaklisp 04:22:46 gosh? mosh? 04:22:52 someone snuck those in when I wasn't looking 04:23:03 gosh is Gauche's interpreter 04:23:16 Mosh is an R6RS interpreter 04:23:45 *jcowan* wonders why STklos doesn't have more cred. 04:27:27 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:30:20 too much deb 04:33:53 Tsssh. 04:35:28 jcowan: mosh is being replaced by nmosh which is aiming for R7RS 04:36:10 On top of R6RS? 04:36:15 Or is it a complete replacement? 04:37:34 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 04:38:08 I'm not sure of the difference architecturally, or whether he intends to continue to support R6RS or not. 04:38:19 Operaist2 [~OperaIst@ppp-124-120-51-12.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #scheme 04:38:20 And I don't think the R6RS support was ever all that complete - R6RS was a tall order. 04:38:24 Indeed. 04:38:33 how do i print something in scheme? 04:38:44 Operaist2: Write, if you want to reread it; display if you don't care. 04:39:16 jcowan: I don't see it hyped anyway - no announcements to c.l.s, no blog, no IRC presense, no list activity. 04:39:23 s/anyway/anywhere 04:39:55 Well, stklos.net is a minimalist blog. 04:40:31 I guess it doesn't have enough of a USP. 04:40:33 -!- antono [~user@178.120.74.185] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:41:51 But it's just another VM impl, and unless you're embedding in C you'd have to be crazy to use a Scheme w/o native compilation. 04:42:41 Gauche is "just another VM impl" 04:43:08 For that matter, so is MIT. 04:46:49 jcowan: MIT is a native compiler. 04:47:08 Oh. 04:47:57 Gauche is the fastest VM, and for a while was the only Scheme with Unicode support. 04:48:58 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #scheme 04:48:58 It has nice libraries too, and convenient syntax, but I still rarely use it anymore. 04:51:03 Actually, I have a huge list of reasons under what circumstances you should use each of the major Schemes. 04:51:45 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 04:52:00 foof, is it a written and published list? Such a thing might be useful ;) 04:52:15 Oh, and you're presentation was mistaken - Guile is also a VM. 04:52:19 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 04:52:32 pyro-: I'll put it up in my copious free time... 04:53:42 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 04:56:48 Short answer (and I may get flamed for this): Racket for community + eval speed - memory usage +/- pedantic, Gambit for speed + debug env, Chicken for community + ease of development. 04:57:48 The drawbacks of the other native compilers are big enough that if you need to ask my advice you shouldn't be using them. 04:58:45 thank you 04:58:47 For embedding in C you probably want Gauche or Guile or Chibi, and that landscape is changing too quickly to decide. 05:01:32 Add to Gambit: - native hygiene - native module system 05:01:51 how do i denote true in a predicate? 05:05:20 -!- dnangel [~dnangel@59.154.141.102] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:07:14 Operaist2: #t 05:07:59 Though, any non-#f value is also a true value, so only use #t if there's nothing more sensible. 05:11:16 foof: I can confirm that with the latest tip the blocking read issue is fixed. 05:11:21 Operaist2: Usually a predicate is defined in terms of other predicates, so you rarely type #t. #f turns up more often. 05:11:28 Belaf: great! 05:14:40 skld [~skld@vpn.bangalore.geodesic.com] has joined #scheme 05:14:40 -!- skld [~skld@vpn.bangalore.geodesic.com] has quit [Changing host] 05:14:40 skld [~skld@unaffiliated/skld] has joined #scheme 05:15:04 -!- smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@76.15.192.54] has quit [Quit: smtlaissezfaire] 05:16:30 foof: I've got other issues now that the program goes beyond that, but I don't have time to debug it for now... just a question: is it possible to start the gc on demand? 05:18:27 Yes, (gc) is in (chibi ast). 05:18:50 allright, thanks. 05:20:50 I'm wrapping up feature additions and preparing the next release, which means latest dev is at its least stable point (lots of new stuff with no testing yet). 05:21:40 In particular, I'll probably leave image support as experimental. 05:22:09 I didn't try it yet... 05:22:14 -!- skld [~skld@unaffiliated/skld] has left #scheme 05:22:26 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.213.183] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 05:25:11 It (currently) only matters if startup time is important to you, and chibi starts plenty fast already. 05:29:06 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:29:39 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 05:30:16 -!- arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #scheme 05:31:03 em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #scheme 05:41:03 -!- jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:47:50 foof: Guile 2.0 is a compiler. 05:50:01 dfeuer [~dfeuer@pool-96-255-172-181.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 05:50:08 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@pool-96-255-172-181.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 05:50:08 dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #scheme 05:50:23 jcowan: It compiles to a bytecode VM (written by Keisuke Nishida) just like Chibi. 05:50:43 Oh, you're right, sorry. 05:51:02 Are there any Schemes which are register VMs, like Lua? 05:51:09 s/Lua/Lua 5.x 05:51:17 Written many years ago, in fact, and only resurrected recently for Guile 2.0. 05:52:04 Maybe Scheme48? I'm less familiar with that VM. 05:52:11 Chicken is not Gambit for speed, but it's pretty fast just the same. 05:53:10 gambit generates faster code than chicken? 05:53:33 Oh yes. Chicken was bootstrapped from Gambit, and it'll never be as fast because Felix doesn't care about speed above everything else. 05:54:20 zvrba: The speeds are fairly close, and Chicken is in fact faster than Gambit at some tasks. 05:55:14 kenjin2201 [~kenjin@163.152.84.68] has joined #scheme 05:55:15 And Felix makes that disclaimer about speed, but has been working hard on new optimizations recently. 05:56:06 *jcowan* nods. 05:56:14 Arms races are good, if they don't involve actual weapons. 06:02:44 Scheme48 seems to use special-purpose registers plus a stack, whereas Lua's VM uses general-purpose registers. 06:03:50 Well, any VM uses special-purpose registers (IP, FP, etc.). 06:04:30 True, although the impression I get is that there are more than just those. 06:07:09 For the second time in a week, HN has achieved a bizarre front-page homogeny. 06:08:32 wolfpython [~wolf@180.109.83.232] has joined #scheme 06:09:00 Bizarre that it takes dmr's passing to achieve that; but maybe it's true: people only really come together for births and funerals. 06:09:01 and not a good one ... 06:09:11 http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/rip-dmr.html 06:10:04 The general sentiment seems to be that dmr's influence is a superset of Jobs'. 06:10:35 The former's passing, however, is less vociferously sung. 06:10:58 a superset? how can anything be a superset of non-stop miracles? 06:11:55 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 06:11:56 Heh. 06:12:54 jewel [~jewel@196-215-114-21.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 06:13:25 jcowan: People are wrangling over the exit code; is it zero? Non-zero? 70 was one suggestion. 06:13:27 Meh, I respect dmr a lot more, but both inadvertently affected the industry. 06:13:40 foof, well said 06:14:04 I'm having trouble not getting really upset at the amount of adulation poured at the feet of ijesus 06:14:15 As I've said several times already, Jobs always struck me as a typical salesman CEO. 06:14:29 He knew how to sell Good Stuff that other people invented, and he liked to claim credit for it. 06:14:40 need to sit back and take a breath before I start giving dmr credit he doesn't deserve in retaliation 06:16:18 how come with the mit scheme interpreter i can't use arrow key top move around? 06:17:45 Operaist2: you should run it from emacs or use edwin 06:18:12 who is dmr? 06:18:26 *klutometis* fetches his copy of K&R and a pacifier. 06:18:31 Glad to see that here the perspective is a bit more straight than in the news: I found that calling Steve Jobs "the modern Leonardo da Vinci" was maybe a bit too much... 06:19:29 jewel: Dennis Ritchie 06:19:34 "C is not a big language, and it is not well served by a big book." 06:19:58 I was actually just struck by that correspondence between K&R and R{n<6}RS. 06:20:53 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:21:01 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 06:22:25 nobody knows who ritchie rich is 06:22:32 apparently he invented the sea 06:22:35 like anyone would believe that 06:23:12 also whats K&R? 06:27:01 Operaist2: ; but you're subtly trolling, right? 06:27:20 whats K&R? 06:27:31 KING and ritchie? 06:28:17 http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2011/10/12/DMR 06:32:44 -!- kenjin2201 [~kenjin@163.152.84.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:33:57 foof: do you have any idea when you'll be able to review all my edits? 06:36:13 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:40:09 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 06:49:38 how do i run the scheme interpreter from emacs? 06:53:29 Install something like Geiser 06:53:55 or use this http://wiki.call-cc.org/emacs 06:54:07 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-114-21.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:02:04 jcowan: I had reviewed most of them up until mustard. 07:02:37 But I also want to do a straight review of the whole doc. 07:06:27 -!- X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:07:44 X-Scale [email@89.180.161.45] has joined #scheme 07:08:09 -!- X-Scale is now known as Guest67381 07:08:58 hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 07:13:58 kennyd [~kennyd@78-0-223-23.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #scheme 07:36:37 -!- Guest67381 [email@89.180.161.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:37:46 -!- woonie [~woonie@nusnet-228-5.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:38:07 Guest67381 [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #scheme 07:54:56 ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has joined #scheme 08:00:40 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-98-14-172-212.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:09:12 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:10:27 lbc [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #scheme 08:16:27 -!- ski [~slj@c83-254-21-112.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:16:44 ski [~slj@c83-254-21-112.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 08:18:10 i0nsane [~i0nsane@staff.qsc.de] has joined #scheme 08:18:44 -!- i0nsane [~i0nsane@staff.qsc.de] has left #scheme 08:25:58 -!- Guest67381 is now known as X-Scale 08:29:17 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-170-46.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 08:33:33 -!- ski [~slj@c83-254-21-112.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:39:03 ski [~slj@c83-254-21-112.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 08:44:14 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 08:58:45 ccorn [~ccorn@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has joined #scheme 09:01:13 -!- Operaist2 [~OperaIst@ppp-124-120-51-12.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:04:59 gienah [~mwright@ppp121-44-44-207.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #scheme 09:06:33 -!- drdo` is now known as drdo 09:07:00 yamanu [~yamanu@cpe-212-18-40-64.static.amis.net] has joined #scheme 09:09:29 masm [~masm@bl15-76-69.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 09:10:00 -!- ski [~slj@c83-254-21-112.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:11:08 ski [~slj@c83-254-21-112.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 09:12:52 laurus [~laurus@i223-219-61-142.s41.a013.ap.plala.or.jp] has joined #scheme 09:15:33 Operaist2 [~OperaIst@ppp-110-169-230-254.revip5.asianet.co.th] has joined #scheme 09:17:55 -!- masm [~masm@bl15-76-69.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:22:07 -!- laurus [~laurus@i223-219-61-142.s41.a013.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:22:09 -!- ski [~slj@c83-254-21-112.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:23:18 ski [~slj@c83-254-21-112.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 09:23:56 Kajtek [~nope@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has joined #scheme 09:36:06 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:49:46 oiiii [~oiiii@82.71.241.25] has joined #scheme 09:50:07 -!- Kajtek [~nope@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:51:31 -!- wolfpython [~wolf@180.109.83.232] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:56:05 -!- yamanu [~yamanu@cpe-212-18-40-64.static.amis.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:56:39 -!- oiiii [~oiiii@82.71.241.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:58:19 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-170-46.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:07 -!- X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:02:16 X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #scheme 10:02:42 -!- X-Scale is now known as Guest99345 10:06:39 Bizarre artifact of the (possibly pre-)1995 web: . 10:07:03 -!- Guest99345 [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:07:25 Anyone seen Riastradh, by the way? 10:07:30 rudybot: seen Riastradh 10:07:30 klutometis: Riastradh was seen in/on #scheme three weeks ago, saying "gnus is a multiparameter family of mailers, with a high-dimensional parameter space. Nobody has found good mailer in there, although there are many local optima.", and then Riastradh was seen quitting in/on fsf/member/riastradh three weeks ago, saying "Ping timeout: 248 seconds" 10:07:50 Ah, too bad. 10:10:06 X-Scale2 [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #scheme 10:10:54 wolfpython [~wolf@180.109.83.232] has joined #scheme 10:11:10 -!- X-Scale2 is now known as X-Scale 10:28:17 -!- replore_ [~replore@203.152.213.161.static.zoot.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:29:46 -!- Operaist2 [~OperaIst@ppp-110-169-230-254.revip5.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 7.0.1/20110928224103]] 10:33:38 oiiii [~oiiii@82.71.241.25] has joined #scheme 10:34:06 -!- drdo [~drdo@85.207.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:53:34 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 10:54:35 Three weeks ago! Don't tell me he's joined Steve Jobs and Dennis Ritchie! 10:54:49 'tho that would be an excellent last thing to ever say on IRC. 10:58:03 I hope not 11:00:51 He's probably just found something better to do with his time now that the summer's over. :-P 11:01:41 Perhaps... he's found love! 11:04:02 it's a stretch goal! 11:12:24 -!- yell0_ [yello@178.162.154.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:12:36 ccorn [~ccorn@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has joined #scheme 11:19:16 yell0 [~yello@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #scheme 11:24:18 Someone abducted him and used his brain for the dartVM... 11:25:05 did he start working at google? 11:25:27 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:28:24 woonie [~woonie@nusnet-32-30.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has joined #scheme 11:33:30 Wouldn't it be awesome if Siri were to speak with Steve's voice? 11:34:11 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:36:51 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 11:47:43 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:48:15 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 11:52:59 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:55:53 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 12:03:58 dostoyevsky: That'd just be weird. See also: http://shitthatsirisays.tumblr.com/ 12:11:56 -!- Brendan_T [~brendan@46.105.251.111] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:21:55 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:24:46 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.213.183] has joined #scheme 12:25:52 samy [~samy@ANice-754-1-29-74.w86-200.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 12:26:46 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 12:27:10 replore_ [~replore@ntkngw304073.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 12:28:04 someone speak french ? 12:28:29 i only know 1 word; merde :( 12:28:30 :) 12:28:34 lol ok 12:35:08 tupi [~david@187.80.217.221] has joined #scheme 12:40:00 Kajtek [~nope@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has joined #scheme 12:47:26 klutometis: been looking for him too :( Got some implementation questions on riaxpander 12:47:49 klutometis: http://www.com/ exists 12:48:47 http://www.dot.com/ too 12:49:03 com.com seens to be owned by cnet 13:02:24 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:02:42 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 13:03:48 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@YZMCDXL.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:04:26 <_p4bl0> samy: I speak french 13:06:15 _p4bl0: samy wants suggestions on Scheme text in the French language 13:06:39 smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@76.15.192.54] has joined #scheme 13:06:55 ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has joined #scheme 13:07:40 jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 13:08:25 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:10:43 Is there not a French versoin of Lisp in Small Pieces? ISTR the English version I have was translated from French... 13:11:02 <_p4bl0> leppie: samy: you mean like a tutorial in french for Scheme? Because every paper will be in english. There's a french implementation (Bigloo) developped by Manuel Serrano at INRIA (a french research institution), but all peper must be in english 13:11:09 alaricsp: I have been reading the english version for about 3 years, and still not finished :) 13:11:18 <_p4bl0> alaricsp: ah yes, there is that 13:11:33 <_p4bl0> and also a tutorial by Henri Garreta (a very good prof) 13:11:36 <_p4bl0> http://henri.garreta.perso.luminy.univmed.fr/Polys/PolyScheme.pdf here 13:11:56 INRIA seem to do good stuff 13:12:04 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 13:12:07 alaricsp, "Principes d'implatation de Scheme et Lisp" 13:12:40 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 13:13:01 please can someone help me on recurence program scheme?? 13:13:11 <_p4bl0> in general, Queinnec's home page has good links http://pagesperso-systeme.lip6.fr/Christian.Queinnec/WWW/Queinnec.html 13:13:15 in english but best if it is in french 13:14:11 <_p4bl0> samy: this book by Queinnec is about precisely this topic http://www.dunod.com/informatique-multimedia/developpement/autres-langages/ouvrages-denseignement/programmation-recursive-en-scheme 13:14:14 http://tinyurl.com/3oa7oro 13:14:20 samy: Lisp in small pieces had a newer edition some years ago that may not already been translated in english. 13:15:24 <_p4bl0> rixed: i remember that it's the case according to it's author home page, but I can't find the precise page where it is said 13:20:12 compare this: http://www.amazon.com/Christian-Queinnec/e/B001HOZVX4/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1318511937&sr=8-1 (2003) to this: http://www.amazon.fr/Principes-dimplantation-Scheme-Christian-Queinnec/dp/2916466037/ref=pd_rhf_p_t_1 (2007) 13:20:12 http://tinyurl.com/3b4w5gg 13:20:12 http://tinyurl.com/3s9s6gt 13:20:47 -!- tupi [~david@187.80.217.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:23:36 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 13:26:40 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.213.183] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:27:01 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.213.183] has joined #scheme 13:36:40 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:38:10 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 13:47:49 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.213.183] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:48:08 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.213.183] has joined #scheme 13:49:24 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@76.226.213.183] has joined #scheme 13:49:27 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.213.183] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:49:27 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 13:51:17 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 13:52:40 keenbug [~daniel@p4FDB7825.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 13:53:14 -!- smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@76.15.192.54] has quit [Quit: smtlaissezfaire] 13:55:32 Hilbert [~Hilbert@93.95.87.130] has joined #scheme 13:55:54 keenbug_ [~daniel@p4FDB7825.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 13:55:57 ' 13:56:06 | 13:56:11 ` 13:56:29 ! 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14:40:20 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 14:41:03 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 14:41:14 hello 14:45:29 oink 14:45:37 -!- woonie [~woonie@nusnet-32-30.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 14:48:51 -!- XTL [~XTL@dsl-olubrasgw2-fe6af800-251.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:49:26 XTL [~XTL@84.248.106.251] has joined #scheme 14:50:55 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:56:05 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 14:56:25 oink! 15:02:53 -!- keenbug [~daniel@p4FDB7825.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:03:25 -!- keenbug_ [~daniel@p4FDB7825.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:04:30 -!- wolfpython [~wolf@180.109.83.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:05:32 people, I'm not proficient with programming and I realised I don't have any method for planning, designing and implementing software development. I'm a doctor and try to implement some programs to help my day-to-day life. Do you recommend any bibliography about methods of soft devel? 15:06:03 -!- lbc [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07:38 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111006182035]] 15:09:52 arthurmaciel: http://www.htdp.org/ 15:10:04 How to Design Programs 15:11:22 that is a good recommendation 15:11:38 *wingo* trusts the plt people about these things 15:11:54 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 15:12:12 masm [~masm@bl15-76-69.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 15:16:11 nowhere_man and wingo: I really appreciatte the link. I was watching to a podcast about agile methods of programming and it seems that htdp is much more about learning programming than about learning methods of design and implementation. Am I wrong (and I hope I am). I see many paradigms presented on scheme books are not the same used on great software companies, that use Java, C++ and other languages. I'm not here for a flamewar, but 15:16:12 sincerely to hear your opinion about "professional programming" with scheme. 15:18:45 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 15:19:24 arthurmaciel: actually, yes, any good teaching about scheme will teach you something that most shops using imperative programming don't know 15:20:08 but being a C++ programmer, I can assure you that what you will learn from the functional world (Scheme, Lisp, ML, Haskell, etc.) is invaluable everywhere 15:20:29 arthurmaciel: http://programming-motherfucker.com/ (sorry, could not resist but there is some truth in it) 15:21:09 also, I think that HTDP is specifically tailored to not just teach programming 15:21:28 if you like maths, you might want to give SICP a try 15:21:41 http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/ 15:21:52 with lectures videos http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/ 15:21:59 -!- Hilbert [~Hilbert@93.95.87.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:22:37 SICP will make you understand what programming really is far more deeply and how to design your programs cleanly 15:24:31 nowhere_man: I've already watched the video lectures (all of them) 15:25:22 nowhere_man: I really cannot see how you could apply what you learn from the functional world into C++ programming. Could you give me an example, please? 15:25:23 zmyrgel [~user@hoasb-ff0cdd00-22.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #scheme 15:25:42 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-179-179.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 15:26:06 wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-179-179.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 15:27:23 (nowhere_man: I'm not sure if I have understood you correctly: functional program. is invaluable when using C++, right? sorry about asking for an example of the opposite) 15:27:49 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-180-45.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:28:02 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 15:28:25 -!- wbooze [~levgue@78.35.180.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:33:19 arthurmaciel: one thing is recursion 15:33:27 arthurmaciel: htdp is about the fundamental skills involved in designing programs of all kinds 15:33:47 the typical way of doing something iterative is using some looping construct, in C++, like for 15:34:15 in FP, you learn that you can express a loop with one or several mutually recursive functions 15:34:51 nowadays, any decent C++ compiler will optimize tail-recursion correctly 15:34:55 the paradigms taught in htdp are present in almost all great software companies 15:35:00 -!- wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-179-179.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:35:01 nowhere_man: that isn't true at all 15:35:11 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-179-179.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:35:19 well, GCC has been known to do it for years 15:35:46 maybe MS C++ doesn't, but I'm quite sure Intel's compiler does 15:35:48 with many caveats, nothing you want to rely on... 15:36:10 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 15:36:24 nowhere_man: GCC does some optimizations of that sort, but there are many many cases where it won't 15:36:46 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 15:37:50 samth: in the case of a single tail-recursive function? 15:37:56 samth: how does that apply (htdp taught program. paradigms) for example developing for Android platforms that use mainly java with a specific framework? 15:38:12 nowhere_man: it can happen. check gccint. 15:38:50 anyway, relying on tail-recursion in c is wrong, because it is not part of the language. less still in c++ where you have destructors and exceptions. 15:44:06 -!- arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:44:17 arthurmaciel: the other lesson I learned from FP is to shy away from mutation by default 15:44:47 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:46:32 -!- hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:46:49 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 15:48:17 arthurmaciel: everything you learn in htdp applies just as much to programming in java 15:48:59 there's even a whole (draft) textbook about showing how the ideas in htdp work in java: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/matthias/htdc.html 15:50:08 arthurmaciel: fundamentally, programming in java for android isn't that different from programming in javascript for the web, or programming in C for Unix, or C# for windows 15:50:19 the fundamentals stay the same 15:50:24 and that's what htdp teaches 15:51:41 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 15:53:07 Scheme is very good for teaching fundamentals 15:53:18 As it's so broadly multi-paradigm 15:53:42 There's "learning programming in Java", and then if you learn Scheme, you'll write "Java in Scheme" if you're not careful ;-) 15:54:36 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-209-192.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 15:55:27 -!- karswell [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:41 lol 15:56:01 alaricsp: right. a good teacher or text is important if one is ... conditioned by ALGOL 15:56:59 gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #scheme 15:58:39 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:03:06 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 16:03:15 pandeiro [~pandeiro@177.32.222.225] has joined #scheme 16:04:48 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:04:54 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-179-179.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:05:10 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 16:05:13 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-179-179.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:08:24 jewel [~jewel@196-215-114-21.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 16:13:42 -!- oiiii [~oiiii@82.71.241.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17:45 alaricsp: my problem now is that I have learnt a little bit of scheme, and when I get to java, C, or C++ and just stop a little bit and think: "for God's sake, scheme is MUCH simpler" :) 16:17:51 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:18:44 arthurmaciel: Yes. In that respect, it makes you realise what the difference is between inherent complexity of the problem, and the "accidental complexity" of manipulating memory etc ;-) 16:20:09 alaricsp: yep, but unfortunately for scheme I haven't found yet all the "easiness" of a bigger language like Java and its tons os libs. 16:20:33 and its ubiquity (every personal machine runs a jre) 16:20:37 Most widespread scheme implementations have tons of libs, too 16:20:58 Perhaps you want to use a scheme that runs on the JVM and lets you use Java libraries? 16:21:06 BEST OF BOTH WORLDS :-D 16:21:36 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawa_%28Scheme_implementation%29 <- oooh look 16:22:21 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 16:26:47 alaricsp: how interesting! 16:27:19 samth: thank you very much for pointing the book! 16:27:29 Myself, I use Chicken, which runs on gcc and lets me use C/C++ libraries with surprising ease 16:27:53 :) 16:27:56 But most Schemes are good about letting you import foreign libraries, for precisely that reason: those mainstream folks have all the good libs! 16:29:08 alaricsp: I also use Chicken, but I still haven't found something consistent with easiness of use for GUI. 16:29:32 arthurmaciel: Eclipse + SchemeWay works. 16:29:42 arthurmaciel: or vim ... and there are some who swear at^H^H by emacs 16:29:52 Oooh, time to go home 16:30:04 *alaricsp* must depart to go and feed his wife and children 16:30:05 TTFN all! 16:30:08 alaricsp: ciao 16:33:19 -!- arthurmaciel [~user@189.64.116.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:36:04 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has left #scheme 16:37:53 -!- lusory [~bart@bb115-66-195-54.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:38:53 arthurmaciel [~user@189.64.116.4] has joined #scheme 16:38:54 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:38:58 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-36-200.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:41:07 alaricsp: sorry, I've lost my connection 16:41:32 but I was saying that I feel lack of a integration between the libs in (Chicken) Scheme 16:44:00 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 16:44:46 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-36-200.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 16:46:57 ijp [~user@host86-177-156-19.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 16:57:03 peterhil` [~peterhil@GYYKMMDCCCLXV.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 16:57:23 arthurmaciel: What sort of integration are you looking for? 16:59:15 klutometis: all libs in one place (so I can import any of them without need to install them sepparately, procedures names standardazation or something like that. (I'm not precise with my terms, but this is just much more a feeling when I sit to program with Scheme than when I do with other languages) 17:00:17 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:28 arthurmaciel: Yeah, Chicken lacks a kind of BDFL who is also a style-maker. Running `chicken-install -s ' to grab the lib and its dependencies isn't too onerous, on the other hand. 17:04:01 I've been doing Chicken for nearly half a decade; I'm not sure I've ever thought to myself: "damn, wish I had more 'library integration'". 17:04:38 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 17:04:39 The divergent naming styles, though: sure, that's an observation. 17:05:25 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:05:36 Hi arthurmaciel! 17:05:53 arthurmaciel: I don't get the "all libs in one place" part. 17:06:49 Maybe you mean something like a distribution which ships all the libraries? 17:08:35 -!- frhodes [~user@75-173-67-252.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:08:55 mario-goulart: yes! (how are you by the way?) 17:09:39 shipping all libraries would be impractical as many bind external libraries which aren't even available on all platforms let alone would you want to require every user to have them installed. 17:09:57 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 17:10:05 arthurmaciel: I would recommend having a .meta and .setup file for your program so you can just use chicken-install to resolve your app's dependencies 17:10:42 mario-goulart: I often wondered whether it would be desirable to create eggs whose sole function is to depend on groups of eggs; that way, e.g. `chicken-install -s db-eggs' would install some common db-eggs. 17:11:01 Not sure why you would want a shit-load of libraries, though, apart from a specific project which requires specific eggs. 17:11:07 Discovery, maybe? 17:11:13 arthurmaciel: I'm fine, thanks. I hoper you are fine too. 17:11:25 klutometis: interesting. meta eggs. 17:12:23 s/hoper/hope/ 17:12:26 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:13:09 klutometis: yes, just for discovering. I'm a newbie, so it makes thing easier. Of course there are other more 'correct' ways, as DerGuteMoritz said, but I was just wondering about it. 17:13:29 klutometis: the idea of meta eggs would be perfect for what I need. 17:13:34 arthurmaciel: I'm not sure that would be that useful. Besides that, it'd require an herculean amount of work. 17:13:48 arthurmaciel: for discovering I would recommend the egg index http://wiki.call-cc.org/chicken-projects/egg-index-4.html 17:14:09 mario-goulart: I see. If that's expensive, it is not worthy. I was just wondering. 17:14:10 or http://wiki.call-cc.org/egg-index for short 17:14:50 arcfide [1000@140-182-224-188.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 17:15:02 DerGuteMoritz: what about any idea of installing system libs depending on eggs dependencies? Is there any project for any specific platform (like an 'ubuntu egg' that could do it for ubuntu, an 'windows egg' etc.) 17:15:16 I think chicken-install is quite practical once you know what you need. 17:15:32 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 17:15:48 moah [~gnu@dslb-188-109-202-223.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 17:17:08 mario-goulart: I do agree. I'm not criticizing the work (the opposite, indeed). I'm just thinking about how expensive it would be to automate the installation of system libs. 17:18:12 arthurmaciel: that would be possible but quite a bit of work to maintain (you'd have to test it with all ubuntu versions etc.) and I don't think that it's worth the effort really as the documentation usually specifies what you need to install 17:18:41 DerGuteMoritz: yes, indeed. 17:18:42 arthurmaciel: the correct way[tm] would be to package eggs as debian packages (for example) and have them depend on the system libs 17:18:59 there was an effort to do exactly this for Arch Linux but it's not continued 17:19:27 I see. Quite interesting... but also need maintanance effort, right? 17:19:31 Thank you, guys. You're always helpful. 17:20:40 yeah, maintenance is the key problem; the Arch packaging guy has built some automation tools but apparently lost interest 17:21:32 here's the spiffy package for example: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=32738 17:22:01 Considering that debian doesn't even ship a recent version of chicken, eggs would be something for 2112 (with apologies to rush). 17:22:13 or the openssl egg, note how it depends on openssl itself: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=32734 17:23:59 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:24:34 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 17:30:42 lolcow [~lolcow@196-215-36-200.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 17:32:26 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-36-200.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:32:31 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:32:40 -!- lolcow is now known as leppie 17:33:23 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:33:52 I see 17:34:45 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 17:39:17 -!- yell0 [~yello@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:41:35 arthurmaciel: do you know http://api.call-cc.org ? It can be very handy when you are looking for things. 17:42:37 yes, mario-goulart: I've been watching your work closely ;) 17:42:50 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 17:44:52 Hilbert_ [~Hilbert@93.95.87.130] has joined #scheme 17:45:05 -!- arcfide [1000@140-182-224-188.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:48:17 -!- arthurmaciel [~user@189.64.116.4] has left #scheme 17:48:17 lusory [~bart@bb115-66-195-54.singnet.com.sg] has joined #scheme 17:48:31 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:55:57 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 17:55:58 arcfide [1000@dhcp-cs-244-96.cs.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 17:56:34 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-135-246.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 17:58:15 turbofail [~user@c-107-3-149-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:06:39 -!- zmyrgel [~user@hoasb-ff0cdd00-22.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 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