00:01:30 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 00:04:28 -!- Adrinael [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:04:52 Adrinael [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has joined #scheme 00:14:33 replore [~replore@203.152.213.161.static.zoot.jp] has joined #scheme 00:20:00 yell0 [yello@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #scheme 00:23:55 -!- blackened [~blackened@ip-89-102-29-120.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:43 -!- jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:28:55 -!- Kajtek [~nope@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:33:06 -!- confab [~confab@c-24-10-60-185.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:33:06 confab [~confab@c-24-10-60-185.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:33:10 -!- y3llow [~y3llow@111-240-178-227.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:36 y3llow [~y3llow@111-240-178-227.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 00:47:43 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-33.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:50:29 what happened to nil in the language? it's all over SICP examples, but the interpreter hollers when it sees it. 00:50:49 (define nil '()) and proceed. 00:52:51 when was it removed from the spec? 00:53:26 nil was never in scheme's specs IIRC, it's part of common lisp and some other Lisps 00:54:21 frx [~redmundia@84.122.73.141.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #scheme 00:55:13 hello. is there a cdr equivalent for strings 00:57:47 What do you mean by that? 00:58:04 return all but the first char 00:58:30 represent your string as a list? 00:58:39 string->list might help you 00:59:33 no not as a list I just want to remove the first character, or get a new string without it 01:02:39 let's try this 01:02:46 rudybot: (define string-bf (lambda (str) (list->string (cdr (string->list str))))) 01:02:46 kellar: Done. 01:03:14 rudybot (string-bf "My Long String Is Longer then Your Long String") 01:04:11 Yeah, that's probably not the best way to do that. 01:04:16 -!- wtetzner [~wtetzner@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:04:22 (substring s 1 (string-length s)) 01:04:37 Although, why you would want to do that is beyond me. 01:04:39 ofcourse not 01:05:06 And should rubybot be responding at some point? 01:05:08 (substring s 1) worked too here 01:05:20 I thought it should, but I have no idea why it isn't 01:05:50 rudybot: (+ 1 1) 01:05:50 kellar: ; Value: 2 01:06:02 rudybot: (string-bf "test") 01:06:02 kellar: ; Value: "est" 01:06:04 kellar: Did you forget a colon? 01:06:05 oh 01:06:08 -!- tessier [~treed@216.105.40.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:06:16 tessier [~treed@216.105.40.125] has joined #scheme 01:06:17 I don't think so 01:06:18 rudybot: (substring "asdf" 1) 01:06:19 frx: your sandbox is ready 01:06:19 frx: ; Value: "sdf" 01:06:32 ah, yes i did 01:06:42 rudybot: (string-bf "My Long String Is Longer then Your Long String") 01:06:42 kellar: ; Value: "y Long String Is Longer then Your Long String" 01:06:45 lovely 01:06:46 i have my own sandbox.. /me dances 01:11:36 Looks like the next version of ChezWEB is tangling itself! 01:15:12 arcfide: +1 for gopher link in 2011 01:15:45 arcfide: Fantastic; is it Chez-specific? 01:16:55 -!- frx [~redmundia@84.122.73.141.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Chateando desde http://webchat.redmundial.org (EOF)] 01:16:58 Damn, Firefox used to do Gopher; now it fails loudly. 01:17:04 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:17:04 Neither Opera nor ELinks do anything. 01:19:17 klutometis: You'll want Overbite, the Gopher plugin for FireFox. 01:19:29 Opera can use any gopher proxy, specifically, Squid seems to work well. 01:19:35 Lynx handles gopher. 01:19:44 Also, if you keep it secret, there is also an ftp interface. 01:20:16 I also just added a blog post with a little roadmap of some of the new things to expect in the 2.x series. 01:20:28 kellar: The gopher server is also written in Scheme. 01:20:44 Thank ${GODS} for . 01:22:07 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:22:47 Hey, wow, that's actually really nice. 01:23:01 jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 01:23:21 arcfide: Is ChezWEB exclusively Chez? 01:23:52 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:23:58 klutometis: Yes, it relies on a number of Chez Scheme features. If you are interested in making a port of it to another system, however, I would be willing to help. You probably would want to call it something else though. 01:24:30 mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has joined #scheme 01:24:30 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Changing host] 01:24:30 mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #scheme 01:24:50 That's why, when I created an Apache plugin for Scheme, I decided on mod_scheme instead of mod_chicken; anything implementation-specific is like planned obsolescence, isn't it? 01:25:05 Yes, but there is no alternative when it comes to Scheme. :-P 01:25:13 klutometis: There is already a SchemeWEB, and it is quite different than ChezWEB. 01:25:43 hahaha, download via xmodem. the memories! 01:25:52 The new version of ChezWEB is actually written in ChezWEB, so when it is released, you'll be able to see just how different. 01:27:08 You know how arcfide's content-serving framework supports gopher? I want to write one that supports rsync. :-P 01:27:43 Yes, that means I'll be implementing the rsync wire protocol from ground up in Scheme. 01:27:53 :-) 01:28:03 I think that would be quite a contribution to the world of Scheme. 01:28:37 Well, it should be once it stops being vapourware. *nods* 01:29:18 is there a CPAN for scheme? 01:29:35 kellar: foof is proposing one for general Scheme. Implementations have their own archives currently. 01:29:36 kellar: There are some attempts, but many of them are stalled and most of them do not see a really wide user base of support. 01:29:58 kellar: For example, Racket has PLaneT, Chicken has eggs, Guile will soon have Guildhall, Gambit has Black Hole, etc. 01:30:11 kellar: foof wants to propose a unified one for use with any R7RS implementations. 01:30:14 I will probably be bringing Descot forward after the R7RS work is complete as a possible way of moving something like that forward in Scheme. 01:30:33 With modifications, of course, in light of a common packaging framework. 01:30:36 *arcfide* coughs. 01:30:46 Hehehehehe. 01:30:48 the upcoming emacs 24 has a formal package system, after being in the same limbo for a long time 01:31:43 it's a great idea, there should be one. 01:31:44 kellar: Based on ELPA, or totally orthogonal? 01:32:09 arcfide: How do you feel, having embraced R6RS; now that R7RS is upon us? 01:32:12 kellar: It's not like people haven't tried. Descot is my attempt, but, I've not had time to finish it. 01:32:15 *klutometis* wonders if Chez will go R7RS. 01:33:08 klutometis: Embracing R6RS, if that is what it can be called, leads me to view the R7RS work with a hint of concern, but also hope. Of course, I'm also a member of the working groups, so that has an effect on my outlook. 01:33:35 I will likely hold out a final judgment until WG2 is completed or at least, has made some sort of major contribution. 01:33:58 klutometis: it's ELPA, but hopefully once it's part of the standard distribution, everyone will standardize on it so there will actually a sizable repository. 01:34:34 My personal opinion is that the language of WG1 does little to advance the language into any sort of space we want to be in, if WG2 is not successful in itself, and in relation to compatibility with WG1. 01:35:06 I don't think the efforts of WG1 or WG2 will be wasted, however, regardless of the outcome. 01:35:17 It's simply too early to tell what's going to happen. 01:35:27 Keep in mind that I voted against R6RS, but then I became an user of it. 01:35:52 "Behold the power of the status quo!" 01:37:43 If the WG1 language becomes very well adopted and widely appreciated, and can prove to have long term holding power, and the WG2 extensions provide real improvement in terms of standards over R6RS, then we're in good shape. However, we still need to actually *implement* all of this, and that's where I think things will become more clear. 01:38:26 And when I say implement, I don't mean a single implementation designed as a proof of general implementability. 01:39:52 But that's probably enough of my ranting. 01:40:13 I can say that a lot of work, serious work, has gone into the Working Groups. 01:40:39 klutometis: Is that enough feeling for you? :-) 01:51:15 arcfide: A well-thought-out dissertation, thanks; do you mind describing the division of labor between WG[12]? 02:01:44 smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@76.15.192.54] has joined #scheme 02:03:09 -!- pcavs [~Adium@63.139.127.6] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:06:31 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: 1811 and please do hurry up] 02:07:30 klutometis: What do you mean by division of labor? 02:18:01 -!- mykhal [~mykhal@gateway/tor-sasl/mykhal] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:20:05 -!- turbofail [~user@c-107-3-149-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:42:40 arcfide: What are your respective charters? 02:51:32 -!- ft [efftee@shell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:51:55 -!- xian [xian@we-are-the-b.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:51:55 -!- dostoyevsky [sck@oemcomputer.oerks.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:52:00 xian [xian@we-are-the-b.org] has joined #scheme 02:52:06 ft [efftee@shell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has joined #scheme 02:53:35 dostoyevsky [sck@oemcomputer.oerks.de] has joined #scheme 02:54:40 -!- SteveG [~Steve@c-71-195-234-222.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:58:22 mithos28 [~eric@99-113-32-54.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:21:33 pcavs [~Adium@c-65-96-169-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:21:51 Ah, well, those are all available online, and I think Jcowan's presentation does a decent job of reflecting on the current state of things on that point. 03:22:25 I would like to be able to say that WG2 is the standard libraries of Scheme, but obviously, it's both more and less than that. 03:27:59 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 03:29:47 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Client Quit] 03:44:41 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 03:47:37 jcowan [~John@cpe-98-14-172-212.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:50:39 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 03:53:12 hoi 04:21:04 Chicken can support R7RS WG1 very soon. 04:22:22 I'll send out a note about the CSAN-repo this week, with a sample install tool and a call for name proposals. 04:23:40 -!- elliottcable is now known as Cheequebrieyah 04:28:54 foof: Wow, CSAN sounds kind of Japanese: "Moshi moshi, C-san." 04:29:38 -!- Cheequebrieyah is now known as elliottcable 04:29:49 CSANitarium. :-P 04:30:16 Unless, that is, the CS in "CSAN" is pronounced more like the Greek Xi. 04:30:24 "A loony bin for all your loony packages." 04:30:40 I think I'm going to C-san, it though, just because of the poly-entendre. 04:32:03 R-cats have "CRAN", on the other hand, which is unambiguously monosyllabic. 04:32:30 Is "CPAN" canonically C-PAN? I don't see how it could be any other way. 04:32:49 I pronounce it C-PAN, just like (for TeX) I pronounce CTAN C-TAN. 04:33:10 cky: How would or do you pronounce CRAN? 04:33:29 I pronounce it like the first syllable of cranberry. 04:33:42 Brendan_T [~brendan@static.112.22.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has joined #scheme 04:33:54 Oh, so monosyllabism isn't out of the question; CSAN is an ambiguous one, friends. 04:33:54 I guess some people might pronounce it as C-RAN for symmetry with CPAN and CTAN, though. 04:34:31 I'm predicting CSAN bifurcates the Scheme community into mono- and disyllabists. 04:35:08 The mono- and disyllabists will call for the death of one another. 04:36:22 That already happens between the ess-que-el vs sequel crowds, as well as the fack vs eff-ay-que crowds. :-P 04:36:59 This is going to be just like the fucking Judean People's Front. Splitters! 04:37:26 cky: Ah, good call; not to mention Postgres vs. Postgresql. 04:38:45 -!- jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:40:05 cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.22.68] has joined #scheme 04:43:03 soveran [~soveran@dan75-2-87-91-33-52.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #scheme 04:55:28 jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 04:56:20 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:57:12 CSAN is boring, but the analogy is obvious. The Den and The Academy (or schwa for Scheme Wizard's Academy) are other proposals. 04:58:07 -!- arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #scheme 04:58:46 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 05:00:00 the scheme spell-book 05:00:01 We could also play off "library" and call it something like Alexandria or Nineveh (Ugarit is taken). 05:00:16 rotty_ is using "spells" 05:00:45 foof, yes. iirc, that name was my idea. 05:02:57 -!- Hal9k [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:03:43 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:04:55 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-241-136.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:08:25 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:08:26 jjjj2_ [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 05:09:00 -!- jjjj2_ [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:09:22 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 05:13:22 -!- jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:15:37 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:32:38 -!- djcb [~user@a88-114-88-233.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:35:00 -!- arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:50:36 It could also be pronounced "chan", as in Hungarian. Which would go with "chibi". 05:50:53 Alexandria is taken too. 05:50:59 -!- pcavs [~Adium@c-65-96-169-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:51:10 Chibi-chan. :-D 05:51:20 but for a CL library. It wouldn't be a big problem to use it for a similar Scheme library. 05:51:31 I also use cesarum for my own library... 05:53:26 zvrba [96456@diamant.ifi.uio.no] has joined #scheme 05:55:23 I'd propose Biblithèque François Mitterand (BNF). 05:55:44 (No, not really, I despise this socialist French president.) 05:57:16 But then, in more than half the communes in France, there's a Lenine Street, and sometimes even a Stalin Place! ... 05:57:58 (if you wonder why I don't live there anymore). 06:03:36 Eh. At one time there were Gitler Streets all over Ukraine. 06:17:31 jewel [~jewel@196-215-114-61.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 06:22:40 -!- ve [~a@193.62.81.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:24:34 -!- jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-157-58.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:25:07 jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-157-58.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:26:30 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has left #scheme 06:32:24 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:35:01 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:38:42 ve [~a@vortis.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 06:43:17 who uses alexandria? 06:47:49 frhodes [~frhodes@168-103-96-233.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 06:48:08 hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 06:49:14 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-98-14-172-212.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:00:21 foof: most CL programmers. 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I was thinking of an equivalent to rope/python 13:27:27 http://rope.sourceforge.net/ 13:29:17 ah 13:29:21 we call that 'emacs' 13:30:34 paredit does a nice job 13:31:12 some of those are nonsense in scheme, but you do not need a special library, just read and write, along with whatever tree manipulations you desire to do 13:32:32 I second the recommendation of paredit-mode 13:33:05 i use paredit-mode 13:33:22 -!- pcavs [~Adium@c-65-96-169-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:33:45 I don't need it for scheme, or doing refactoring. I'm thinking of writing one for another language, I figured the simplest example would be in lisp/scheme 13:33:50 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 13:33:57 less parsing cruft to wade through 13:34:11 in lisp it would just be a function embodying your desired refactoring, not a library at all 13:35:07 I was thinking it would be implemented like code -> ast, fiddle with ast, ast -> code , while preserving the text fragments form the original program 13:36:03 "library" is not the main foucs, a collection of procedures would do as well to get an idea. 13:40:29 kellar: AFAIK, it is very difficult with the presence of macro's. Microsoft cant even get refactoring working for their C++ IDE. 13:40:59 well templates in the case of C++, I assume 13:41:43 metasyntax|work [~taylor@fw-its-kt209a-2.dyn.ipfw.edu] has joined #scheme 13:41:47 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-33.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 13:42:00 mykhal [~mykhal@gateway/tor-sasl/mykhal] has joined #scheme 13:42:38 leppie: it's for a much simpler language then c++. maybe I should look at what those crazy ruby people are up to. 13:42:46 -!- _danb_ [~user@124-149-186-129.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:44:02 -!- tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:44:18 tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 13:44:58 pcavs [~Adium@c-65-96-169-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 13:45:02 -!- pcavs [~Adium@c-65-96-169-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:46:08 -!- djcb [djcb@nat/nokia/x-uabkewyszthnvuer] has quit [Remote host 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that will do that. 17:17:37 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-146-237.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 17:17:56 http://www.scheme.com/tspl4/objects.html#./objects:s130 17:18:57 -!- djcb [~user@a88-114-88-233.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19:20 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-138.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:20:13 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-138.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:21:25 *markskilbeck* goes to read up on logarithmic identities 17:21:34 Computing the natural log first would be fine. 17:21:43 I wasn't aware that was necessary, though. 17:21:47 *markskilbeck* is uneducated 17:22:04 SteveG [~Steve@c-71-195-234-222.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:24:57 markskilbeck: pm? 17:25:31 qu1j0t3: post meridiem? 17:25:43 markskilbeck: mind if I send a private message? 17:25:48 markskilbeck: (pm =) 17:26:01 Fire away. 17:26:12 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit 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I am banned from #chicken. Does anyone have a similar problem and/or know why? 21:19:34 oh cool, i didn't even know #chicken existed. 21:19:37 it's working for me. 21:19:53 jcowan: want me to ask somebody in there? 21:19:56 -!- djcb [~user@a88-114-88-233.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:20:19 jcowan: Unvanishing, apparently, generates gamma rays; which flip bits. 21:20:49 qu1j0t3: Please. 21:20:52 that's why I choose to de-lurk. 21:20:57 jcowan: see privmsg 21:28:04 drdo``` [~drdo@89.181.116.201] has joined #scheme 21:28:13 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@GGYCMXLVII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:28:49 y3llow_ [~y3llow@111-240-178-166.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 21:29:04 pothos_ [~pothos@111-240-178-166.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 21:29:43 -!- drdo`` [~drdo@89.181.116.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:30:53 -!- y3llow [~y3llow@111-240-178-227.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:31:14 -!- pothos 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