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in scheme? 06:59:46 soveran [~soveran@dan75-2-87-91-33-52.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #scheme 07:00:23 rudybot: eval (add1 5) 07:00:23 ohwow: your sandbox is ready 07:00:23 ohwow: ; Value: 6 07:02:45 hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 07:09:01 githogori [~githogori@c-24-7-1-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 07:09:10 how about an id function 07:09:20 rudybot: eval (id 2) 07:09:20 Ivoz: your sandbox is ready 07:09:20 Ivoz: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: id in module: 'program 07:09:27 rudybot: eval (identity 2) 07:09:27 Ivoz: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: identity in module: 'program 07:09:57 rudybot: init racket 07:09:58 ohwow: your sandbox is ready 07:10:04 rudybot: eval (identity 3) 07:10:04 ohwow: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: identity in module: 'program 07:10:07 hm 07:10:21 rudybot: eval (take1 2) 07:10:21 Ivoz: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: take1 in module: 'program 07:10:28 rudybot: eval (sub1 2) 07:10:28 Ivoz: ; Value: 1 07:10:29 http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/procedures.html?q=identity#%28def._%28%28lib._racket/function..rkt%29._identity%29%29 07:10:34 http://tinyurl.com/44kq759 07:11:05 I'm using the pretty big langauge in Racket 07:12:32 pretty big language? 07:14:14 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196.209.232.154] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:15:55 That's what it's called in DrRacket 07:15:57 :) 07:21:38 leppie [~lolcow@196.209.232.154] has joined #scheme 07:26:24 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196.209.232.154] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:31:20 what are good txt's to read after completing sicp? 07:33:21 leppie [~lolcow@196.209.232.154] has joined #scheme 07:34:19 aspect [~aspect@abstracted-spleen.org] has joined #scheme 07:36:07 Brendan_T [~brendan@static.112.22.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has joined #scheme 07:37:57 frhodes, code 07:38:29 frhodes: depends on what do you 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The first is a source distribution; the second is essentially a binary distribution. 18:50:52 (assuming you're referring to the tarballs you get from ) 18:51:14 ftp.gnu.org/gnu/mit-scheme 18:51:27 I'll guess that they're the same 18:51:28 OK, same difference. 18:51:31 okay 18:51:59 do I not need an existing mit-scheme install for -c-? 18:52:01 If you are on an i386 or amd64 system, you want the one with i386 or amd64 in its name. 18:52:29 If you are not on an i386 or amd64 system, you want the one with `c' in its name. 18:52:35 ah, okay 18:52:45 If you just want to browse the code, you probably want to look at the Git repository on Savannah rather than the source tarball anyway. 18:53:44 well I was going to grab the srouce because that may optimize a bit better(rather have all the cpu I can when on a 500 MHz p3...) 18:53:59 It won't. 18:54:05 okay then 18:54:20 And you need an MIT Scheme to compile the source anyway. 18:55:10 yeah, I was questioning the sanity of that 18:55:11 thanks 18:55:11 -!- Tekk_` [~user@cpe-071-077-209-233.ec.res.rr.com] has left #scheme 18:55:22 ... 18:56:03 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-36-200.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 18:56:07 I guess he bootstraps his computers by keying in the boot loader himself and writing his own assembler in machine code and C compiler in assembly. 18:56:44 -!- jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-157-58.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:56:50 I used computers that had to be bootstrapped like that... 18:57:34 Yeah, but that was for technical reasons, not psychiatric (`sanity') reasons. 18:58:11 Riastradh: most people are weaned on "./configure && make && make install"... even README is a step most don't take 18:58:28 weaned? well, you know what i mean 18:58:34 Riastradh: probably a gentoo user 18:58:57 That's all you have to do (well, `make compile-microcode', not `make') for mit-scheme-whatever-i386.tar.gz... 18:59:15 oh. well, i stand corrected :p 18:59:46 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo 18:59:54 (But, granted, you have to read the README to know to do that. We should fix that at some point, I guess.) 19:10:11 kellar, please give a brief summary of any link you paste into the channel. 19:11:19 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #scheme 19:12:16 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has left #scheme 19:12:37 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 19:13:17 I thought rudybot did that sometimes 19:13:58 -!- jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:14:20 rudybot: do you ever do that? 19:14:20 amoe: I don't think that kind of consensus is ever going to arise between the existing implementations of Scheme. I've no desire to implement a new Scheme and follow some other implementation exactly. 19:15:00 what a strange comment 19:19:58 No, amoe, what rudybot gives is a tinyurl, not a brief summary. 19:20:22 ah, I thought some bot printed the page title. must have imagined it 19:21:02 Some bots do that, but rudybot is not one of them. 19:21:38 The title is not necessarily a brief summary anyway. 19:21:58 But, it's the Four Yorkshiremen sketch, if anyone is still curious. 19:22:45 sorry, was away 19:23:16 Riastradh: it's the mony pythin yorkshiremen sketch, mandetory when oldtimers begin to talk about the hardships of olden days 19:24:35 oldtimers as in people who have been doing this for a LONG time, all due respect. 19:33:49 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: superjudge] 19:38:56 -!- kellar [~kellar4@31.210.176.99] has quit [Quit: I wonder if grub-install worked ok...] 19:42:57 -!- arcfide [1000@dhcp-cs-244-96.cs.indiana.edu] has left #scheme 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I remember vaguely that you were an advocate, but it looks like at least two implementations are accredited to you: one in C and one in Chicken. 23:31:24 -!- rvn_ [~rvn@77.107.164.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:32:27 s/accredited/attributed/? Accreditation makes me think of third-party agencies assessing the efficacy of certification programmes. 23:32:31 -!- masm [~masm@bl19-175-107.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:32:52 Maybe credited? 23:34:32 cky: There's this: "to ascribe or attribute to (usually followed by with ): He was accredited with having said it." () 23:34:45 klutometis: Fair enough, then. Hmmm. 23:34:57 `Attributed' is pretty good, too; I agree, though, it sounds weird. 23:35:02 mario-goulart: That might work, too. 23:35:53 jcowan: This is a fucking incredible implementation of quicksort, of course: [small] [] [uncons [>] split] [swapd cons concat] binrec . 23:36:05 O_O 23:37:05 I'm not sure if being impressed by that, though, is the same as being impressed by the Arc challange: . 23:37:50 I.e. there's some specific domain in which it shines. 23:38:06 The binrec and linrec are useful abstractions to carry back to Scheme, though. 23:44:07 -!- pcavs [~Adium@63.139.127.6] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:48:43 -!- lolcow [~lolcow@196-215-36-200.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:53:27 Tekk_ [~user@cpe-071-077-209-233.ec.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:56:08 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-36-200.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 23:57:30 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.107.230] has joined #scheme 23:59:13 -!- davidh [~user@f053004151.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]