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03:04:34 so, i want to behavior of (put 03:04:59 (put 'name 'scheme-indent-function 'defun) but for all names that arent specicially overridden 03:07:34 drdo [~drdo@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 03:07:52 -!- zanes [~zane@12.130.118.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:08:03 -!- LimitSupremum [~greg@c-24-130-147-208.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: LimitSupremum] 03:31:31 phax_ [~phax@adsl-68-73-149-84.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has joined #scheme 03:33:01 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:33:03 mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has joined #scheme 03:45:59 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:54:08 can racket use readline a bit? 03:55:46 (require readline), but what does "a bit" mean/ 03:56:10 anyway if you have a more recent version of racket you can use (require xrepl), it works better than readline 03:59:18 -!- phax_ [~phax@adsl-68-73-149-84.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:59:27 phax_ [~phax@adsl-68-73-149-84.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has joined #scheme 03:59:40 phax [~phax@adsl-68-73-149-84.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has joined #scheme 03:59:49 -!- phax [~phax@adsl-68-73-149-84.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has quit [Changing host] 03:59:49 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #scheme 04:00:01 -!- phax_ [~phax@adsl-68-73-149-84.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:03:32 jonrafkind: thanks, (require readline) worked for me 04:09:06 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:27:03 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 04:33:47 -!- prototrout [~steve@ip-64-255-129-222.ideaone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:39:18 -!- arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:50:16 -!- noonian [~noonian@c-67-171-219-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:54:35 jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-157-58.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:54:45 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-83-98.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:57:21 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-83-98.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 05:07:47 leo2007 [~leo@58.22.114.150] has joined #scheme 05:13:46 zanes [~zane@108-90-245-81.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 05:19:15 -!- leo2007 [~leo@58.22.114.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:22:34 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-220-122.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 05:22:41 leo2007 [~leo@58.22.114.150] has joined #scheme 05:30:19 -!- tupi [~david@189.60.180.75] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:34:49 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 05:38:54 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:44:48 gnomon [~gnomon@174.119.66.178] has joined #scheme 05:47:44 Nshag [user@88.123.84.8] has joined #scheme 05:51:58 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-118-94.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:04:21 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:04:36 -!- rvn_ [~rvn@77.107.164.131] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:05:10 -!- leo2007 [~leo@58.22.114.150] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 06:06:03 jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-34.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 06:06:17 elly [~elly@atheme/member/elly] has joined #scheme 06:06:46 LimitSupremum [~greg@c-24-130-147-208.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:08:28 leo2007 [~leo@58.22.114.150] has joined #scheme 06:14:51 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:21:41 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:35:58 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #scheme 06:40:14 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #scheme 06:42:47 -!- woonie [~woonie@nusnet-188-149.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:45:50 -!- drdo [~drdo@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:52:36 HG` [~HG@p5DC05C84.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 06:52:55 howard [~king@99.45.102.144] has joined #scheme 06:53:17 can the little schemer series be done with elisp? 06:57:08 Brendan_T [~brendan@static.112.22.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has joined #scheme 06:59:39 most likely 07:00:01 mine already has annotations for using it with (non-Scheme) Lisp. 07:00:50 try following the "L:" footnotes; if anything trips you up, #emacs should be able to tell you why 07:01:22 you might want to (require 'cl) 07:02:12 -!- LimitSupremum [~greg@c-24-130-147-208.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #scheme 07:02:14 or, you know. emacs itself has a pretty kick-ass introspective help system. 07:03:31 i typed in all the stuff up to ch 5 and it seems to be working ok 07:04:33 i mean i copied the function defs that i used for gnu scheme at least 07:07:24 that's impressive. you'd think it would choke on (DEFINE ...) 07:07:47 or is this a loose application of "copy"? 07:13:16 i used M 07:13:25 M-x replace string first ;p 07:18:46 (defun (f x y) ...) ? 07:21:18 drdo [~drdo@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 07:22:49 howard: The lack of closures will make it *very* difficult. 07:23:18 You could go around it a bit using the CL package hacks, and that leaves you with the double namespace which will make things very difficult too. 07:25:22 penryu: yeah thats been working so far 07:25:40 closures dont come in until the 2nd book though right? 07:30:08 amoe [~amoe@cpc3-brig16-2-0-cust858.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 07:35:43 -!- zanes [~zane@108-90-245-81.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:37:23 nvm, errors galore :< 07:38:31 for elisp, you'll want (defun f (x y) ...); subtle but important 07:42:55 You can also define a define macro. 07:42:55 stis [~stis@host-90-235-52-13.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #scheme 07:48:52 *sigh* 07:49:54 -!- soveran [~soveran@rrcs-24-43-163-86.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:58:03 -!- arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:24:05 masm [~masm@bl15-132-107.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 08:25:29 Are there any implementations of the scsh process notation besides the one in scsh? 08:25:52 I seem to remember there were, but can't find it now 08:26:23 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-220-122.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:27:30 amoe: I started to do one in clisp, but it's far from complete (and slightly different, the aim was to replicate the features, not the syntax). 08:49:47 -!- HG` [~HG@p5DC05C84.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:52:03 woonie [~woonie@nusnet-188-149.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has joined #scheme 08:58:13 f8l [~f8l@77-254-82-137.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #scheme 09:01:51 -!- smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@76.15.192.54] has quit [Quit: smtlaissezfaire] 09:21:48 -!- ASau [~user@95-26-244-67.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: off] 09:35:49 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@c-24-5-7-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 10:15:50 -!- githogori [~githogori@c-24-7-1-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:16:53 installing emacs 24 solved most of the errors 10:17:00 githogori [~githogori@c-24-7-1-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 10:17:16 (as well as actually learning elisp syntax, which i thought i knew) 10:17:21 -!- howard [~king@99.45.102.144] has left #scheme 10:29:09 Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has joined #scheme 10:30:19 -!- stis [~stis@host-90-235-52-13.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:31:09 -!- Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 10:31:38 Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has joined #scheme 10:39:27 gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has joined #scheme 10:55:46 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:57:42 preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 11:04:42 I want to create a command in my scheme, that returns a list of callers (stacktrace) -- are there some scheme's that offer this and may be helpful for me in designing my API? 11:05:55 -!- leo2007 [~leo@58.22.114.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:06:59 sjamaan: a few days ago you asked what scheme this guy maintains: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1173133/continuations-in-clojure/1231936#1231936 11:07:00 http://tinyurl.com/4xvuyqy 11:07:29 sjamaan: the answer is "spark" which is a fork of plt 3xx (http://vmathew.in/spark/index.html) 11:08:21 dostoyevsky, dunno about Scheme, but you can try SBCL 11:08:29 all Common Lisps have that API 11:08:54 weirdo: Ok.. 11:09:20 return at least stack frames, possibly also their parameters 11:09:28 and values 11:09:37 the latter would be totally awesome 11:09:48 also, list of lexical bindings in each stack frame 11:10:06 I happened to port his http framework for kicks 11:10:28 weirdo: You have some good ideas. :) 11:11:36 dostoyevsky, it might be expensive, though :( 11:15:24 amoe: ah, thanks 11:16:25 weirdo: I don't think so, I keep everything in the C stack anyways... I just need to find a way of making it accessible.. I'd say it's only expensive once the stacktrace needs to be accessed.. 11:18:44 And the last bugs I tried to fix all had to do with bad variable scopes or just trying to figure out where a error message originates from and where the parameter that's causing it is generated.. That can eat a lot of time. :( 11:19:01 dostoyevsky - take a look at guile:http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Debugging.html#Debugging 11:19:01 http://tinyurl.com/ydtousl 11:19:44 leo2007 [~leo@58.22.113.160] has joined #scheme 11:25:22 -!- Axioplase_ [~Axioplase@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has quit [Quit: bbl] 11:28:09 -!- kniu [~kniu@pool-173-52-208-184.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:36:47 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 11:46:59 Burlingk [~burlingk@softbank221067045171.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 11:47:20 what is a normal file extension for a scheme source file? 11:49:01 .scm and .ss 11:49:07 :) 11:49:09 Thanks 11:49:26 *Burlingk* is wanting to work through the Little Schemer book. :) 11:50:28 Does Scheme have a default function name that is called when a program starts? 11:50:42 Purely implementation dependant. 11:50:51 ie. read the documentation of your implementation. 11:50:53 Fair enough. :) 11:51:40 If you're studing the Little Schemer, you should noticce that all the exercises are done interacctively, so that question is totally irrelevant. 11:53:33 :-) It is still nice to be able to stick atom? in a source file so that I don't have to rewrite it every time. ^_^ 11:53:34 Burlingk: or, you can consider the scheme REPL as your shell, and just name your different programs differently, and call them from the REPL: (my-game) (exercise-1) etcc. 11:53:50 Burlingk: sure. And use (load "little-schemer.scm") to load it. 11:54:07 Burlingk: also read the documentation of your implementation, there's probably a rc file in which you can put this load. 11:54:37 Burlingk: If your implementation has modules, then it's best to avoid `load' like the plague. 11:54:58 I am messing arround with DrRacket (Used to be Dr Scheme. I was surprised when I told Arch to install DrScheme and it informed me that it had changed names). 11:55:33 It still has R5S5 as a language option though. :) 11:55:40 Burlingk: It has, a year ago. http://racket-lang.org/new-name.html 11:55:46 Burlingk: yes, the renaming has taken everybody from behind.. 11:56:29 Burlingk: In any case, if you're using DrRacket, then it's better to use the racket language, and use a module with the extra definitions that you need. 11:57:03 Something like #lang racket (provide atom?) (define (atom? x) ...whatever...) 11:57:25 The prefix your experimentation files with (require (file "/path/to/that/file.rkt")) 11:57:40 How different is Racket from Scheme? :) 11:57:59 Or, if your working on the REPL, then stick that `require' into your ~/.racketrc file. 11:58:33 Racket is not that different -- it is muchly extended, 11:59:03 two notable exceptions are that `if' expressions are required to have an else branch, and that pairs are immutable (no `set-car!' and `set-cdr!'). 12:00:35 *eli* disappears 12:08:32 Note The Little Schemer doesn't use one-armed `if's or mutate pairs, so you're safe there. 12:08:57 :) 12:09:18 I figure that I will use it as an exercise in recursion, and to get a basic feal of the language. 12:09:46 After all, the book itself says it is not sufficient as a primer in Lisp. :-) So I am not expecting to learn the language from just one book :) 12:10:19 :P IF it did claim to be THE book to learn from though, I would probably run from it like the plauge. After all, books that make such claims rarely have much behind them. ^^ 12:12:28 Is the "Experienced Schemer" a good book to play with? :) 12:12:45 The SEasoned Schemer rather. 12:14:21 Sure, once you've finished The Little Schemer. 12:14:35 *foof* wanders off 12:22:54 ^^ 12:23:03 *Burlingk* nodnods. 12:24:33 Burlingk: I've finished both books. They're good reading, and much shorter than SICP. 12:25:23 :) 12:25:34 Question. Does anyone know why cdr is cdr? :P 12:25:38 Yes. 12:25:47 "Contents of decrement register" 12:25:50 (or something of the sort) 12:25:52 Ad. 12:25:54 Ah. 12:25:57 Burlingk: (check Wikipedia) 12:26:00 xissburg [~xissburg@187.50.13.57] has joined #scheme 12:26:07 :) 12:27:21 Iceland_jack: Good idea. 12:27:46 I have played around a bit with Haskel (another language I want to learn), and head and tail make more sense linguisticly. ^^ hehe 12:29:45 Burlingk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAR_and_CDR 12:29:58 It explains why, due to succinct compositions, the names car and cdr are awesome. 12:30:18 e.g., cadr == (compose car cdr) 12:30:37 Try giving a succinct name for (compose head tail). :-P 12:31:30 scm_ [~chatzilla@firewall.portland.lib.me.us] has joined #scheme 12:31:40 cky: Thanks for the link, I was starting with the Scheme article. It would have taken me a while to get to that one I think. :) 12:33:05 Burlingk, haskell is hard and mind-bending 12:33:09 not necessarily on a good way 12:33:19 it makes easy stuff hard by its ideology 12:33:23 @.@ It seemed interesting last time I tried, but... Yeah. hehehe 12:34:03 weirdo: It does?! First time I've heard that. 12:34:22 cky, i hate how it's not possible to turn IO foo to foo 12:34:36 Hahahahaha. 12:34:39 also, laziness isn't solved, that's why foldr' doesn't exist 12:34:42 does exist 12:34:50 or "seq" 12:35:37 The concept of currying hurts at first. ^^ 12:35:47 not really, no 12:35:51 it's these <=> 12:36:05 it looks like perl at times 12:44:03 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 12:45:24 pearle [~pearle@142.162.72.182] has joined #scheme 12:45:48 I think I jokingly suggested taeaead == (compose tail head tail head), heeaeail == (compose head head tail head tail), and so on, in a query to someone once. 12:47:15 -!- xissburg [~xissburg@187.50.13.57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:47:23 xissburg [~xissburg@187.50.13.57] has joined #scheme 12:55:56 fizzie: :-) 12:57:02 pandeiro [~pandeiro@187.105.249.2] has joined #scheme 13:00:33 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 13:01:43 O.o The more that I read, the more that it seems that the history of our current culture was dependant on incredible hackers getting royally pissed and going on a coding benge just to spite the company that pissed them off. hehehehe. 13:02:16 I think benge probably should have been spelled binge. ^^ 13:03:35 Burlingk: Why do you say that? 13:04:19 cky: It just seems that so many key element of linux, GNU, etc, were created mostly because some company desided to go closed source with their products. hehe 13:04:44 -!- scm_ [~chatzilla@firewall.portland.lib.me.us] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 3.6.20/20110805211839]] 13:06:32 scottmaccal [~chatzilla@firewall.portland.lib.me.us] has joined #scheme 13:06:49 -!- f8l [~f8l@77-254-82-137.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 13:10:53 -!- martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Excess Flood] 13:12:35 martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 13:17:08 -!- scottmaccal [~chatzilla@firewall.portland.lib.me.us] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:17:32 -!- mmc [~michal@sams-office-nat.tomtomgroup.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:21:06 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 13:21:08 mmc [~michal@sams-office-nat.tomtomgroup.com] has joined #scheme 13:28:02 scottmaccal [~chatzilla@firewall.portland.lib.me.us] has joined #scheme 13:29:23 kniu [~kniu@pool-173-52-208-184.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 13:29:54 -!- scottmaccal [~chatzilla@firewall.portland.lib.me.us] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:31:12 scottmaccal [~chatzilla@firewall.portland.lib.me.us] has joined #scheme 13:32:42 -!- scottmaccal [~chatzilla@firewall.portland.lib.me.us] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:36:59 scottmaccal [~chatzilla@firewall.portland.lib.me.us] has joined #scheme 13:42:02 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-150-65.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 13:47:51 smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@76.15.192.54] has joined #scheme 13:48:44 Burlingk: that is indeed the case. If hardware companies had kept their software and firmware open source (has it had been from the beginning of the computer age to the IBM antitrust lawsuits which led to the unbundling of software, and consequenty, it's closing), then every body would be happy, and there would be almost no freedom software. At least no GPL, only MIT and BSD. 14:00:21 -!- scottmaccal [~chatzilla@firewall.portland.lib.me.us] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 3.6.20/20110805211839]] 14:02:49 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-146-66.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 14:03:22 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-146-66.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 14:04:52 rvn_ [~rvn@77.107.164.131] has joined #scheme 14:09:52 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:10:17 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 14:11:02 aisa [~aisa@173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 14:12:20 -!- Brendan_T [~brendan@static.112.22.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:16:14 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 14:17:24 HG` [~HG@p579F7681.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 14:23:15 -!- Burlingk [~burlingk@softbank221067045171.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:47:00 tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has joined #scheme 14:53:26 scottmaccal [~chatzilla@firewall.portland.lib.me.us] has joined #scheme 14:54:31 -!- scottmaccal [~chatzilla@firewall.portland.lib.me.us] has quit [Client Quit] 14:54:34 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 14:59:38 scottmaccal [~scottmacc@firewall.portland.lib.me.us] has joined #scheme 15:03:22 A problem I have once I start compiling scheme is that I might loose a lot of context... So I cannot produce verbose stacktraces like I can when I am still interpreting... 15:20:32 Sure you can, just provide the debugging information needed. 15:21:00 zelak [~zelak@pdpc/supporter/student/zelak] has joined #scheme 15:28:22 Flatlander [~tomppa@b27.kiulu.jyu.fi] has joined #scheme 15:28:29 ijp [~user@host109-156-153-144.range109-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 15:30:04 -!- Flatlander [~tomppa@b27.kiulu.jyu.fi] has left #scheme 15:30:48 replore_ [~replore@ntkngw133234.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 15:31:16 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:35:15 -!- fbs [~fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:35:26 fbs [~fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has joined #scheme 15:36:30 -!- fbs [~fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has quit [Client Quit] 15:38:34 fbs [~fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has joined #scheme 15:40:34 soveran [~soveran@rrcs-24-43-163-86.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #scheme 15:45:16 -!- pearle [~pearle@142.162.72.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:45:38 pearle [~pearle@142.162.153.224] has joined #scheme 15:49:58 -!- scottmaccal [~scottmacc@firewall.portland.lib.me.us] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 3.6.20/20110805211839]] 15:52:57 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:53:48 zanes [~zane@mail.barackobama.com] has joined #scheme 15:55:06 -!- fbs [~fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:58:32 fbs [~fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has joined #scheme 16:02:39 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-215-3.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 16:02:47 phao [~phao@pontenova.dpi.ufv.br] has joined #scheme 16:05:12 -!- zanes [~zane@mail.barackobama.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:05:17 metasyntax|work [~taylor@fw-its-kt209a-2.dyn.ipfw.edu] has joined #scheme 16:12:29 -!- Urchin [~urchin@student.fizika.org] has quit [Changing host] 16:12:29 Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined #scheme 16:13:31 -!- smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@76.15.192.54] has quit [Quit: smtlaissezfaire] 16:13:58 jkraemer [~jkraemer@74-95-7-186-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 16:14:23 -!- jkraemer [~jkraemer@74-95-7-186-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:25:38 -!- snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@67-23-4-190.static.slicehost.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:25:57 snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@67-23-4-190.static.slicehost.net] has joined #scheme 16:35:27 zanes [~zane@mail.barackobama.com] has joined #scheme 16:46:30 zmv [c885c40e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.133.196.14] has joined #scheme 16:50:47 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #scheme 16:50:54 -!- Nshag [user@88.123.84.8] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:52:53 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 16:54:11 -!- phao [~phao@pontenova.dpi.ufv.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:59:37 -!- fbs [~fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:15 fbs [~fbs@vps1793.directvps.nl] has joined #scheme 17:00:16 -!- fbs [~fbs@vps1793.directvps.nl] has quit [Changing host] 17:00:16 fbs [~fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has joined #scheme 17:03:14 -!- soveran [~soveran@rrcs-24-43-163-86.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:09:45 -!- zanes [~zane@mail.barackobama.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:10:11 soveran [~soveran@rrcs-24-43-163-86.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #scheme 17:14:20 turbofail [~user@c-107-3-149-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:18:37 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-169-82-70.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 17:21:44 jesusito [~user@244.pool85-49-244.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #scheme 17:22:15 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 17:24:45 I'm looking at "Printing Floating-Point Numbers Quickly and Accurately" by Burger & Dybvig. There's a footnote on page 2 that says, "Unfortunately, this mathematical definition is too strong, and Theorem 4 in Appendix A is false." 17:24:48 littlebobby [~bob@i5E8799B.versanet.de] has joined #scheme 17:24:48 -!- littlebobby [~bob@i5E8799B.versanet.de] has quit [Changing host] 17:24:49 littlebobby [~bob@unaffiliated/littlebobby] has joined #scheme 17:25:02 Does that mean that the paper (and algorithm) is fundamentally busted? 17:25:31 I'm confused. The rest of the paper seems to be written as if Theorem 4 was proved. 17:25:45 Anyone know anything about it or able to point me to any discussion anywhere? 17:26:37 ahc [~Antti@a91-152-73-156.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 17:27:34 -!- HG` [~HG@p579F7681.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:30:04 Uh... 17:32:33 rimmjob_ [~king@99.45.102.144] has joined #scheme 17:32:36 -!- fbs [~fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:33:37 fbs [fbs@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ymhwdjeaovhmorje] has joined #scheme 17:33:37 -!- fbs [fbs@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ymhwdjeaovhmorje] has quit [Changing host] 17:33:37 fbs [fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has joined #scheme 17:36:12 zmv: if that "Uh" was at me, I ask here because the authors are noted Schemers and the sample code is in Scheme so I thought folks here might be familiar with it. 17:37:06 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 17:38:57 No. It was "Uh" at the paper. 17:39:09 good day, schemers 17:39:49 good day, schemer 17:39:58 -!- jesusito [~user@244.pool85-49-244.dynamic.orange.es] has left #scheme 17:40:00 zmv: So I'm not the only one confused? 17:49:49 "why does mit/gnu scheme say unspecifed return value when i do (newline) ? 17:50:29 -!- littlebobby [~bob@unaffiliated/littlebobby] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:50:40 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:50:40 rimmjob_: which value would you have it return? 17:50:41 Becuase that doesn't return anything? 17:51:53 -!- githogori [~githogori@c-24-7-1-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:14 i thought it would just print a newline 17:52:27 like "/n" in other languages 17:52:36 Printing a newline to stdout and returning a newline are not the same thing. 17:52:59 rimmjob_: What is it you think (newline) does exactly? 17:53:20 Er you answered that. 17:53:33 print "\n" in most languages doesn't `return` a newline. 17:53:40 -!- ahc [~Antti@a91-152-73-156.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:53:47 not really sure. just reading through learn scheme in fixnum days and it told me to do it 17:54:09 (terpri) in CL returns NIL. 17:54:22 rimmjob_: Are you familiar with scheme at all? 17:54:29 Or functional languages for that matter? 17:54:33 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 17:54:37 not really :p 17:54:46 Hmm. 17:55:14 anttih [~Antti@a91-152-73-156.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 17:56:12 i just wanted to do (begin (display "tunafish swim")(newline)) 17:57:16 And that's fine 17:57:19 But it returns nothing 17:57:21 rimmjob_: in Scheme nearly everything returns a value, even printing. What MIT Scheme is saying to you is that you cannot rely on it 17:57:27 rpg [~rpg@mpls.sift.info] has joined #scheme 17:57:39 zanes [~zane@mail.barackobama.com] has joined #scheme 17:57:52 ... on it being a particular value 17:58:21 i thought it would just print "tunafish swim" :( 18:01:23 barryfm [~barryfm@fl-71-2-133-215.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #scheme 18:01:31 rimmjob_: well, in a repl you usually want the return value printed too. Many (most?) schemes use a specific "unspecified value" so that the repl can catch it and avoid printing it 18:08:00 gigamonkey, there's no such footnote in the copy at ; perhaps you're looking at another version? I seem to recall that the paper by Guy Steele and JonL White is the one that everyone cites and has gotten a lot more scrutiny, and that the paper by Burger & Dybvig just tweaks the efficiency for very large or very small numbers. 18:08:04 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:08:06 jkraemer [~jkraemer@nat/google/x-aontehwffntdomkz] has joined #scheme 18:09:45 Riastradh: My copy has "Includes corrections from Raffaello Giulietti 28 Nov 2006" in the block under the first column. 18:18:01 -!- jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-157-58.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:18:21 -!- jkraemer [~jkraemer@nat/google/x-aontehwffntdomkz] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:19:11 jkraemer [~jkraemer@nat/google/x-tjnjlxfkgbouhmtb] has joined #scheme 18:19:11 -!- jkraemer [~jkraemer@nat/google/x-tjnjlxfkgbouhmtb] has quit [Client Quit] 18:27:39 -!- zmv [c885c40e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.133.196.14] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:28:47 -!- soveran [~soveran@rrcs-24-43-163-86.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:29:13 soveran [~soveran@rrcs-24-43-163-86.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #scheme 18:39:33 jrapdx [~jra@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 18:45:27 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-150-65.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:48:52 realitygrill [~realitygr@c-24-5-7-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:54:24 HG` [~HG@p579F7681.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:58:44 la la la 19:03:17 wait, you're not duncamn 19:03:22 duncanm 19:03:54 :) 19:07:17 githogori [~githogori@216.207.36.222] has joined #scheme 19:14:20 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 19:20:16 -!- arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28:43 hm... i think we schemers need some sort of masonic-style greetings and rituals 19:29:12 Do you think it should involve `la la la'ing? 19:29:17 maybe 19:29:22 *fds* nods. 19:29:24 maybe that should be the distress call 19:29:32 Heh 19:29:43 obviously short for lambda 19:32:04 *rudybot* yodels 19:32:56 forsooth! this bot doth speak! 19:39:56 -!- yourstruly is now known as erytssiN 19:49:26 bleakgadfly [51a6aba8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.166.171.168] has joined #scheme 19:56:33 -!- bleakgadfly [51a6aba8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.166.171.168] has left #scheme 19:57:47 -!- leo2007 [~leo@58.22.113.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:58:55 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:02:48 woonie2 [~woonie@nusnet-188-149.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has joined #scheme 20:03:07 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 20:04:36 -!- woonie [~woonie@nusnet-188-149.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:58 -!- martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:05:25 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:05:27 martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 20:06:23 wisey [~Steven@host86-150-109-116.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 20:23:55 -!- anttih [~Antti@a91-152-73-156.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:24:20 -!- barryfm [~barryfm@fl-71-2-133-215.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has left #scheme 20:24:45 -!- pearle [~pearle@142.162.153.224] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:25:27 ASau [~user@95-26-244-67.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 20:25:45 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:28:17 -!- wisey [~Steven@host86-150-109-116.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:30:41 fbass [~fbass@75-173-95-248.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 20:30:50 -!- fbass [~fbass@75-173-95-248.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:31:31 -!- ToxicFrog [~ToxicFrog@24-246-40-169.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:32:24 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 20:33:07 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:34:19 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20:34:39 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 20:34:48 ToxicFrog [~ToxicFrog@24-246-40-169.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 20:43:09 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-215-3.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56:49 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:57:41 hmm, someone here said that "The Little Schemer" does not introduct lambdas 20:57:53 but they are a pretty fundamental concept of the language, aren't they? 20:58:02 it's called "functional" for a reason... 20:59:04 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has left #scheme 20:59:43 Nonsense, TLS uses lambdas all over the place 20:59:45 ITYM macros 21:00:51 -!- soveran [~soveran@rrcs-24-43-163-86.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:47 oh wait, I'm wrong 21:01:53 soveran [~soveran@rrcs-24-43-163-86.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:01:54 he said "closures" 21:02:12 but that's still strange 21:02:14 It doesn't explicitly mention them, but I think it uses them 21:03:23 sjamaan: as per SICP (if I understand it correctly), a closure is a function with an unbound variable 21:03:39 i.e. a lambda which borrows a variable from an ancestor's environment 21:03:46 am I right? 21:04:11 Yeah 21:04:57 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 21:05:17 whitequark: Most functions in Scheme are closures. 21:05:32 whitequark: e.g., something as simple as (lambda (x y) (+ x y)) is a closure (+ is a free variable). 21:06:04 cky: that's exactly why I think that statement is strange 21:06:11 Modius_ [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:07:13 -!- pandeiro [~pandeiro@187.105.249.2] has quit [Quit: Thanks, fellas] 21:07:41 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:08:01 whitequark: It doesn't say "this is a closure" 21:08:02 whitequark: Who made such a statement? Either they're misquoted or misguided. :-) 21:08:40 Also, I think it doesn't pass around closures as values, which is what most people mean when they refer to closures 21:08:49 Maybe in a few places 21:10:09 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:10:19 sjamaan: It does when it gets to continuations. :-) 21:10:49 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-150-65.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 21:11:05 cky: That's the Seasoned Schemer 21:11:23 (I think) 21:12:57 sjamaan: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7004636/would-someone-please-help-explain-the-continuation-example-on-p-137-of-the-little/7005024#7005024 21:12:57 http://tinyurl.com/3ukmeu6 21:14:33 My memory is wrong, as usual 21:14:37 :S 21:15:18 No worries. The books cover a lot of stuff at a high pace! 21:15:34 e.g., the Y combinator is covered in The Little Schemer as well, IIRC. 21:15:36 What does Seasoned cover again, except for mutation? 21:15:43 yeah, I remember Y 21:16:04 I think The Seasoned Schemer mostly concerns building the Scheme evaluator, but it's been a while since I've read it now. :-) 21:17:14 pothos_ [~pothos@111-240-176-240.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 21:17:44 -!- pothos [~pothos@111-240-171-137.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:19:08 -!- pothos_ is now known as pothos 21:20:56 -!- HG` [~HG@p579F7681.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:26:40 -!- xissburg [~xissburg@187.50.13.57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:14 I also was under the impression that it was the Seasoned Soup that introduced continuations, mainly because http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/matthias/BTSS/ says "introduces set! and continuations", but... well, trust no one, especially not authors, I guess? 21:42:08 -!- aisa [~aisa@173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: aisa] 21:55:27 -!- ijp [~user@host109-156-153-144.range109-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 263 seconds] 21:57:58 -!- soveran [~soveran@rrcs-24-43-163-86.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:46 scottmaccal [~scottmacc@pool-71-173-93-142.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #scheme 22:09:50 -!- scottmaccal [~scottmacc@pool-71-173-93-142.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:19:53 -!- jrapdx [~jra@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:25:58 -!- kpal [eart0186@raven.linux.ox.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:28:06 tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has joined #scheme 22:39:18 -!- rpg [~rpg@mpls.sift.info] has quit [Quit: rpg] 22:46:08 kpal [eart0186@raven.linux.ox.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 22:49:47 -!- Kajtek is now known as Kajtek2 22:51:16 -!- Kajtek2 is now known as Kajtek 22:56:25 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57:03 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 23:00:15 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-34.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:01:00 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-165-188.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:04:16 -!- Kajtek is now known as Kajtek2 23:04:33 -!- Kajtek2 is now known as Kajtek 23:08:21 -!- pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-5f769252.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 23:08:30 pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-5f768b03.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 23:12:33 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-165-188.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:13:32 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-165-188.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:14:39 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #scheme 23:17:47 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-165-188.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:18:34 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-165-188.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:25:37 fbass [~fbass@75-173-95-248.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 23:28:41 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:29:00 -!- fbass [~fbass@75-173-95-248.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:29:45 -!- Modius_ [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:30:00 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:32:33 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:33:00 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 23:35:13 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:46:48 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:47:10 soveran [~soveran@rrcs-24-43-163-86.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:53:01 -!- malorie [~bla@unaffiliated/malorie] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:56:23 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme