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pile of flamebait: http://letoverlambda.com 08:08:58 oh that 08:09:01 That's old 08:12:12 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@c-24-5-7-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 08:12:31 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:20:02 the style is provoking but the content is not bad 08:21:31 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:21:35 -!- leo2007 [~leo@58.22.113.140] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 08:35:23 What little content I skimmed through was pretty bad (e.g. the named let implementation). 08:40:49 Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has joined #scheme 08:57:17 -!- fantazo_ [~fantazo@178-191-171-51.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:59:02 -!- pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-5f77ba39.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:59:12 pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-5f77b8cd.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 09:22:57 C-Keen: I feel like that's an ancient Slashdot bias, or something: is flamebait inversely related to content? 09:23:11 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:23:51 klutometis: I don't follow 17:01:13 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #scheme 17:01:13 17:01:13 -!- names: ccl-logbot pearle_ gravicappa kilimanjaro jonrafkind DrDuck REPLeffect jewel soveran MrFahrenheit bugQ tupi antoszka copumpkin homie pearle xissburg rvn_ MichaelRaskin DGASAU srid wingo pandeiro HG` jimmyrcom pdelgallego preflex pygospa Kajtek masm pjb docgnome gnomon jrapdx martinhex kennyd cbrannon ray Nshag rpg sstrickl Intensity penryu mornfall weirdo dsmith Riastradh sepisultrum leppie ToxicFrog amoe pchrist drdo ineiros ivartj dRbiG Pepe_ 17:01:13 -!- names: yourstruly kpal Euthydemus elly dfeuer araujo PreciousMetals githogori tali713 xale cmatei asumu pothos levi G_ fbs mmc acarrico felipe space-cadet bohanlon aehrisch _p4bl0 ve wilx moll poucet saccadewrk Hal9k mario-goulart Obfuscate ohwow_ gf3 Adrinael Khisanth peterhil confab kniu sjamaan dsp_ zvrba em samth malorie fizzie eli gabot stamourv jeff_ danking stchang yosafbri` erikano z0d dostoyevsky XTL shardz yell0 cataska stepnem snorble aoh twem2 joast 17:01:13 -!- names: rapacity incubot ecraven tunes evhan takamoron tessier jimster framling C-Keen rudybot Zol clog ski vk0 offby1 inimino shachaf elliottcable weinholt ft Iceland_jack finnrobi xian jimrees_ Axioplase_ tizoc tauntaun zbigniew duncanm eno kanru pbusser2 fds daedric rotty cky ada2358_ specbot sloyd DerGuteMoritz askhader snarkyboojum klutometis kandinski tonyg aking foof erg 17:01:17 in fact, a good syntax engine would make your identifier syntax look just like any other macro 17:02:11 just like it might not identify a certain varaible as a procedure 17:02:36 time to go watch mindless football! 17:03:30 -!- pearle [~pearle@142.162.79.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:03:31 football is never mindless 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[~levgue@xdsl-84-44-211-26.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:57:04 dostoyevsky: (cond [test 'conseq] [else 'alt]) 18:57:12 has an implicit begin 18:57:33 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-150-65.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:57:37 samth: Ah, good to know.. I will implement it there. :) 18:58:04 dostoyevsky: how `if' would know if `('alt)' is the else branch or the second form of an implicit `begin'? 18:58:34 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-211-26.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 18:59:47 dostoyevsky: some implementations provide the `when' form 19:01:26 hmmm... if I type in racket: `(if (> 3 2) ((display "greater") #t) ((display "smaller") #f))' it gives me an error message... So I'd say that if the first parameter in if's cond or alt SEXP is not a symbol but another list, then there should be an implicit begin... I don't think it would break anything because an expression like ((string->symbol "display") "foo") does not work 19:02:56 But if the first parameter does not happen to be a list, then it won't work... hmmm... 19:03:42 But anyway, cond's implicit begin is enough for me 19:08:39 pranq [pranq@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #scheme 19:09:41 dostoyevsky: that wouldn't work -- ((string->symbol "display") "foo") is a function application 19:24:20 kbs [~kbs@64.134.238.136] has joined #scheme 19:26:01 Out of no more than idle curiosity, has there ever been any attempt to recast both html and javascript into one unified scheme-ish form? 19:29:35 kbs: bigloo's hop has something like that. 19:30:09 ah, interesting -- thanks for the pointer 19:30:28 You're welcome. 19:31:06 zanes [~zane@mail.barackobama.com] has joined #scheme 19:31:26 Something similar could be achieved using a Scheme->JavaScript compiler and SXML or some HTML-generation library for Scheme. 19:32:08 I'm not familiar with scheme->js compiers -- suggestions for what might be stable/robust etc? 19:32:32 hop looks very cool, at least from the demos 19:32:43 For example, spock (http://wiki.call-cc.org/egg/spock) and SXML (http://wiki.call-cc.org/egg/sxml-transforms) or html-tags (http://wiki.call-cc.org/egg/html-tags) 19:32:55 wisey [~Steven@host86-150-109-116.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 19:33:12 -!- DrDuck [~duck@146.229.119.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:33:14 Spock is not very stable/robust, though. :-) 19:34:06 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 19:34:20 Actually it probably is, but some JS interpreters barf when given spock code. It's more a bug in the JS interpreters than in Spock. 19:35:17 :-) I see -- thanks a bunch for the pointers. 19:36:34 A follow-up question -- I'm interested in systems that can compile interfaces down to both javascript, as well as android/ios. It seems to me that hop compiles server (but not UI code) down to android; aret here any systems that try to accomplish something like this? 19:36:55 ie, roughly the scheme equivalent of something like phonegap, etc 19:37:34 DrDuck [~duck@146.229.119.19] has joined #scheme 19:38:40 (Oh, by "interface" I just mean, user interfaces -- nothing more) 19:40:13 ah, is html-tags your work? It looks simple and elegant, nice 19:41:32 thanks. :-) 19:42:05 wrt the android question, I don't know any scheme that does that. 19:42:44 (assuming I understand your question) 19:43:21 kbs: I don't know of anything like that for Scheme, but I believe that's what Google's GWT does, so it seems possible in principle. 19:43:25 (GWT is Java, however) 19:44:38 kbs: Oh, actually Danny Yoo's whalesong is like that I think: http://planet.plt-scheme.org/package-source/dyoo/whalesong.plt/1/1/planet-docs/manual/index.html 19:44:39 http://tinyurl.com/3fgskzp 19:46:06 I thought it was just a racket->js compiler 19:46:08 asumu: ah, thanks for the pointer. So, (like hop in some sense) it's translating some functional language into javascript 19:48:32 [and I was thinking of something that might also do android/ios] 19:49:58 oh, racket is the new name for plt scheme :-) 19:50:05 I'm quite out of it! 19:50:55 kbs: I don't know what dyoo's plans for whalesong are, but I suspect he's interested in iOS. 19:51:13 asumu: gotcha. Nice. 19:51:36 He hangs out in #racket and maybe also in #scheme often so ask him directly if you see him. :) 19:52:33 cool :-) 19:59:56 -!- soveran [~soveran@rrcs-24-43-163-86.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:59:58 -!- wisey [~Steven@host86-150-109-116.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:03:36 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-174-46.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:18:11 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:18:36 ASau [~user@95-26-244-67.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 20:19:06 -!- pearle_ [~pearle@142.162.154.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:19:45 pearle_ [~pearle@142.162.73.203] has joined #scheme 20:30:32 soveran [~soveran@rrcs-24-43-163-86.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #scheme 20:30:46 -!- soveran [~soveran@rrcs-24-43-163-86.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:39:37 -!- pearle_ is now known as pearle 20:42:41 -!- zanes [~zane@mail.barackobama.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:53:42 -!- pandeiro [~pandeiro@187.105.249.2] has quit [Quit: Thanks, fellas] 21:16:32 pandeiro [~pandeiro@187.105.249.2] has joined #scheme 21:25:16 -!- rvn_ [~rvn@77.107.164.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:47:01 -!- shachaf_ is now known as shachaf 21:47:01 pearle_ [~pearle@142.162.34.184] has joined #scheme 21:49:44 -!- kbs [~kbs@64.134.238.136] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:50:03 -!- pearle [~pearle@142.162.73.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:53:14 -!- xissburg [~xissburg@187.50.13.57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:59 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:09:21 -!- HG` [~HG@p5DC04AB4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: HG`] 22:10:02 zelak [~zelak@pdpc/supporter/student/zelak] has joined #scheme 22:10:27 -!- pearle_ [~pearle@142.162.34.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:17:49 whitequark [~whitequar@whitequark.static.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 22:18:05 I want to buy this book: http://www.amazon.com/Scheme-Programming-Language-Kent-Dybvig/dp/026251298X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1313792097&sr=8-1 22:18:06 http://tinyurl.com/4ys8h5u 22:18:11 Is it good enough? 22:18:26 it's good 22:18:39 whether it's good enough depends on the application :) 22:18:47 for example, it's not a very good doorstop 22:19:25 oh, that's too bad. I think I should then search for another one... 22:19:55 for doorstops, this works well: http://www.amazon.com/New-Kind-Science-Stephen-Wolfram/dp/1579550088 22:19:56 what do you wnat to learn from 'the book'? 22:20:24 whitequark: sorry, i should probably not be quite so sarcastic 22:20:35 dybvig's book is excellent, and i recommend it highly 22:21:39 samth: okay, that's what I thought anyway :) 22:21:47 -!- Adrinael [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:23:22 Adrinael [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has joined #scheme 22:29:01 -!- elliottcable is now known as able 22:33:38 charli [~charli@e180185206.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 22:33:55 -!- charli [~charli@e180185206.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42:33 pumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 22:43:38 cb` [~user@cpe-72-134-23-187.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:43:38 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:43:41 -!- pumpkin is now known as copumpkin 22:48:44 Isn't that book available entirely online? Though if the intent is to have a paper copy, it is good. 22:48:48 http://www.scheme.com/tspl4/ 22:52:11 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:52:21 pearle [~pearle@142.162.35.185] has joined #scheme 22:52:27 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 22:57:17 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-150-65.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 22:59:35 -!- able is now known as elliottcable 23:07:16 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 23:13:41 wisey [~Steven@host86-150-109-116.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 23:19:28 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 23:19:51 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:22:06 soveran [~soveran@rrcs-24-43-163-86.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:23:57 Brendan_T [~brendan@static.112.22.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has joined #scheme 23:29:03 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-24-147-116-20.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:29:28 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:34:19 `(begin (define v '(a 1)) (define (list-ref v 0) (list-ref v 1)))' <- how could one get this work? define's first parameter is not really eval'ed... 23:38:29 dostoyevsky: (define scheme-list-ref list-ref) (define list-ref (lambda (v i) (scheme-list-ref v (- i 1)))) 23:38:33 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-24-147-116-20.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:40:48 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159933.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 23:41:59 This doesn't look nice but it does the job for me: `(begin (define v '(test 'bobo)) (eval (append '(define) (append (list (list-ref v 0)) (list (list-ref v 1))))))' 23:45:55 tupi [~david@189.60.180.75] has joined #scheme 23:53:50 -!- DrDuck [~duck@146.229.119.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:56:05 DrDuck [~duck@146.229.119.19] has joined #scheme 23:57:31 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159933.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]