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07:10:13 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-209-224-179.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:10:43 -!- mona [~mouna@41.137.57.96] has quit [] 07:12:23 what's that 07:13:13 -!- kpal [eart0186@raven.linux.ox.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:16:19 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@c-24-5-7-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 07:20:16 line 1665 07:20:22 -!- Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:21:49 ... 07:22:54 damn, unable to paste the link to this emacs erc 07:23:36 realitygrill [~realitygr@c-24-5-7-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 07:24:30 odd 07:24:50 line 1665 in http://armpit.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/version_00.0250/common/armpit_scheme_library.s?view=markup 07:24:50 http://tinyurl.com/3knth98 07:25:56 its scheme impli using arm assembler 07:28:51 flsfxt is not a standard scheme procedure so you need to search the armpit code for its definition 07:29:15 or what was the question meant to mean? 07:30:57 ok 07:32:28 trying to make some sense of the source 07:32:41 -!- hba [~hba@187.171.200.6] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:44:02 -!- drdo [~drdo@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:45:25 drdo [~drdo@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 07:58:17 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 08:07:32 olle [~olle@84-55-65-130.customers.ownit.se] has joined #scheme 08:09:09 -!- jrapdx [~jra@68-113-36-194.static.mdfd.or.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:09:37 moin 08:12:41 hey wingo 08:12:56 howdy C-Keen 08:13:05 araujo [~araujo@190.73.44.29] has joined #scheme 08:13:06 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.73.44.29] has quit [Changing host] 08:13:06 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 08:18:38 http://paste.org/pastebin/37278 08:19:23 what does "primitive (not lambda, not compiled) mean, in the 'max' function? 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11:34:09 nvm - it wasn't in the manual; but I found it in the wiki 11:36:10 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 11:41:47 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@60-234-133-173.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 11:53:58 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 11:54:30 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 12:03:10 -!- olle [~olle@84-55-65-130.customers.ownit.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:12:23 fbs [~fbs@vps1793.directvps.nl] has joined #scheme 12:12:23 -!- fbs [~fbs@vps1793.directvps.nl] has quit [Changing host] 12:12:23 fbs [~fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has joined #scheme 12:17:39 -!- nataraj` [~user@124.124.203.9] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:41 tupi_ [~david@189.60.160.15] has joined #scheme 12:33:46 DrDuck [~duck@146.229.116.223] has joined #scheme 12:40:02 olleharstedt [~olle@84-55-65-140.customers.ownit.se] has joined #scheme 12:41:50 It's a broken kludge to pretend to work around the lack of a module system in Gambit... 12:47:51 arbscht [~arbscht@60-234-133-173.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #scheme 12:50:13 -!- DrDuck [~duck@146.229.116.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:52:23 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:31 -!- olleharstedt [~olle@84-55-65-140.customers.ownit.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:23:45 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:25:53 Haha, some would portray anything any lisp attempts on the matter as a broken kludge meant to work around the lack of a real module system :P 13:26:43 in the context of modules, scheme != lisp. 13:27:39 I like racket's module system 13:28:36 genieliu [~genieliu@59.78.62.120] has joined #scheme 13:31:00 hey wingo: wanna tackle a psyntax bug? http://paste.lisp.org/display/123969, psyntax allows 1st paste, should be error or not behave like the 2nd paste 13:31:33 seems to a be subtle scoping issue at play 13:33:44 leppie: it sounds interesting but i'm afraid it doesn't reach the top of my list of things to do :) 13:34:13 yeah personaly I dont feel like mucking in psyntax much either :) 13:34:31 at least it works for the correct case 13:35:32 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-176.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 13:47:35 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:55:18 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 13:57:24 -!- Brendan_T [~brendan@static.112.22.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:14:29 -!- Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:14:54 Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has joined #scheme 14:19:31 thomanil [~Adium@90-129-212.connect.netcom.no] has joined #scheme 14:21:30 -!- Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:22:06 leppie, you might be interested in that i've finally implemented subtyping for constrained types 14:22:21 cool weirdo 14:22:28 which if a first step for implementing subtyping for functions :) 14:23:30 i plan on adding some stuff like, if a function is accepted as an argument, processing the type is deferred to the time of actual call of it 14:23:36 though it's going to be messy 14:23:50 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Quit: rpg] 14:23:57 and closure variables will be unions of types :( 14:24:12 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #scheme 14:25:22 -!- Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:28:34 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-164-126.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 14:31:09 Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has joined #scheme 14:38:15 phax [~phax@adsl-68-73-148-217.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has joined #scheme 14:38:15 -!- phax [~phax@adsl-68-73-148-217.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:38:15 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #scheme 14:43:58 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 14:48:11 i still have no clue how to go about it for IronScheme :( 14:51:47 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:52:15 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 14:52:49 realitygrill [~realitygr@c-24-5-7-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:02:28 -!- hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04:00 -!- G_ [~G@41.51.68.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:05:24 -!- tupi_ [~david@189.60.160.15] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:07 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 15:09:41 -!- thomanil [~Adium@90-129-212.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:10:23 tupi_ [~david@189.60.160.15] has joined #scheme 15:11:25 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@c-24-5-7-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 15:22:11 G_ [~G@41.51.68.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #scheme 15:22:49 zanes [~zane@mail.barackobama.com] has joined #scheme 15:25:15 -!- genieliu [~genieliu@59.78.62.120] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:28:26 fantazo_ [~fantazo@178-190-239-191.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #scheme 15:31:04 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-115-175-232.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:35:49 thomanil [~Adium@54-56-212.connect.netcom.no] has joined #scheme 15:36:57 leppie, riaxpander instead of psyntax perhaps? 15:37:32 one day maybe 15:38:35 psyntax is not the problem for type inference, it my code and code gen framework :( 15:40:15 -!- betta_y_omega [~betta_y_o@90.166.231.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:41:57 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 15:42:17 betta_y_omega [~betta_y_o@90.166.231.220] has joined #scheme 15:46:37 -!- betta_y_omega [~betta_y_o@90.166.231.220] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:46:56 Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has joined #scheme 15:47:21 -!- thomanil [~Adium@54-56-212.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:47:43 betta_y_omega [~betta_y_o@90.166.231.220] has joined #scheme 15:50:15 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:56:39 chxane [~chxane@c-68-42-0-80.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:59:14 srid [~srid@S010678ca39ff0146.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 15:59:14 -!- srid [~srid@S010678ca39ff0146.vn.shawcable.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:59:14 srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has joined #scheme 16:02:49 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-173-7.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 16:03:10 -!- fantazo_ [~fantazo@178-190-239-191.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:12 phao [~phao@pontenova.dpi.ufv.br] has joined #scheme 16:12:48 with (define (gccd a b) (display a) (if (= b 0) a (gcd b (remainder a b)))) 16:13:09 calculating (gccd 206 40), it appears that display is called only once, but I know that several iterations are needed to compute the gcd. 16:13:14 so what's the catch? 16:13:27 ah 16:13:28 sorry 16:13:29 got it 16:13:34 i recurse into another function :-) 16:14:07 rubber duck method works ! :P 16:14:18 hehe 16:17:52 tab1ta [~tab1ta@95.238.46.31] has joined #scheme 16:18:07 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:27:24 agspathis [~user@ppp-94-64-143-65.home.otenet.gr] has joined #scheme 16:36:11 -!- srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:37:20 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 16:38:14 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-130-115.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:40:29 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-164-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:46:35 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-130-115.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:48:59 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-130-115.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:53:47 -!- phao [~phao@pontenova.dpi.ufv.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:58:15 -!- githogori [~githogori@c-24-7-1-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:07:29 srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has joined #scheme 17:09:05 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:13:34 turbofail [~user@c-107-3-149-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:23:04 antoinem [~antoine@tal33-5-88-181-16-209.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 17:24:15 -!- masm [~masm@bl15-72-220.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:24:37 i am in dire need of a good IDE 17:25:08 drracket won't just cut it :( 17:25:22 what are you missing? 17:25:28 autodoc 17:26:19 geiser can do that 17:27:28 What's autodoc? 17:27:58 http://www.nongnu.org/geiser/geiser_4.html#Documentation-helpers 17:28:45 Oh, that thing. 17:28:53 geiser with which backend? racket? 17:28:57 I think scheme-complete supports that too. 17:29:04 check the docs, weirdo. 17:29:24 wingo, i checked it 17:29:32 did you see the racket example there? :) 17:29:35 but with racket, there's no way to redefine bindings (!) 17:29:42 -!- betta_y_omega [~betta_y_o@90.166.231.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:29:43 short of restarting the whole thing 17:30:30 which is just plain horrible, because i need that... 17:31:43 or is there? 17:32:26 i can't imagine geiser without it, but i don't use the racket backend 17:33:34 betta_y_omega [~betta_y_o@90.166.231.220] has joined #scheme 17:34:27 *wingo* biab 17:34:34 weirdo: (define var 0) (set! var 42) ; <- redefines the binding. 17:34:44 pjb, but i need to redefine functions 17:34:49 same. 17:34:50 by C-M-x on them 17:35:04 otherwise it's tremendous a loss of productivity 17:35:09 weirdo: (define var (lambda () 'nil)) (set! var (lambda (x) (1+ x))) (var 42) ; <- redefines the binding. 17:35:17 ^^-- 17:35:37 rvn_ [~rvn@77.107.164.131] has joined #scheme 17:35:40 We don't have these problems with Common Lisp... 17:36:09 No, Common Lisp has much more disastrous problems. 17:36:27 In theory, not in practice. 17:36:33 Please take your proselytizing to #lisp. 17:36:49 There's a choir there that likes to be preached to about the benefits of Common Lisp. 17:37:03 HG` [~HG@p5DC04D3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 17:37:18 Riastradh: they're already convinced, proselytism can only be done in strange lands. 17:38:12 If they're already convinced in #lisp your work there will be easier. 17:38:19 now it works. it's really strange 17:38:21 -!- betta_y_omega [~betta_y_o@90.166.231.220] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:38:34 oh, it doesn't. it's soo strange 17:39:06 what specifically doesn't work? 17:39:06 it works when i do it in the repl, but it's a but with C-m-x 17:39:07 Riastradh: in anycase, I didn't say that in a proselytist way, but in a comparative way. Since there's a new round of scheme standardization in proceedings, schemers could take some inspiration. 17:39:25 betta_y_omega [~betta_y_o@90.166.231.220] has joined #scheme 17:39:43 Sorry, pjb, you lost your credibility for reasonable comparison a long time ago. Take your proselytizing to #lisp. 17:40:00 lol, this is kinda rude 17:40:03 :S 17:40:04 -!- drdo` is now known as drdo 17:40:06 Last request. Don't argue. 17:40:10 Riastradh: I don't care about credit. 17:40:28 Sigh. 17:40:53 Can somebody please explain to me what's wrong with this code: "(define var (lambda () 'nil)) (set! var (lambda (x) (1+ x))) (var 42)"? 17:40:54 You're not productive. At least, I gave a solution to the newbie. 17:41:19 ohwow_: it's r5rs code. Nothing wrong here. 17:41:32 Okay, 17:41:33 rudybot: (define x 1) 17:41:34 eli: your sandbox is ready 17:41:34 eli: Done. 17:41:37 rudybot: (define x 2) 17:41:37 eli: Done. 17:41:38 ohwow_, 1+ isn't a standard Scheme function i believe? 17:41:41 rudybot: x 17:41:41 eli: ; Value: 2 17:41:46 well saying "switch to X" is not a solution, really 17:41:47 weirdo: ^ 17:42:15 weirdo: correct. (define 1+ (lambda (x) (+ 1 x))) 17:42:45 (or `add1' in Racket) 17:42:53 eli, so it turns out it's a bug in geiser, such that redefinition works only in REPL window 17:43:27 If pjb had read the R5RS, instead of guessing that everything in Common Lisp applies there except for what are obviously bugs in the R5RS, he might have noticed that `1+' is not valid syntax for a symbol. 17:43:33 even C-c C-k won't work :( 17:44:06 weirdo: In Racket you can have toplevel definitions in the repl, which can be redefined "freely" (with the usual (CL-like) bogosities that result), 17:44:24 and you can have modules, where redefinitions are not allowed by default. 17:44:46 weirdo: can you explain the problem again? 17:44:50 eli, how do i check whether my code is a module? i assume it probably is, since it's a file? 17:45:01 you say that you can't redefine top level bindings in racket+geiser? 17:45:03 ohwow_, C-M-x doesn't redefine stuff 17:45:08 weirdo: This is for both performace reasons (definitions are inlined), and for semantic reasons (modules are scopes, like a `let' or a function). 17:45:14 ohwow_, it outputs # but doesn't redefine 17:45:32 eli, how do i change it so that redefinition is allowed? 17:45:43 weirdo: There is a way to allow redefinitions in modules too, it's controlled by the `compile-enforce-module-constants' parameter. 17:45:47 weirdo: it does! 17:45:57 weirdo: you just have to enter the module 17:46:05 But that's useful only for debugging. Not something that is embraced as a standard way of writing code. 17:46:08 weirdo: i was confused at first too 17:46:17 weirdo: suppose we have module file test.rkt 17:46:20 eli, do i parameterize or set! it? 17:46:27 in geiser you do (enter! "test.rkt") 17:46:37 weirdo: And that's exactly how Scheme in general is different from things like CL 17:46:38 and then you can redefine stuff in main buffer 17:46:44 (or ancient Schemes.) 17:46:47 eli, i don't plan on doing it in real code. i just need bottom-up coding 17:46:48 with C-x e, for example 17:46:50 -!- betta_y_omega [~betta_y_o@90.166.231.220] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:47:15 weirdo: The parameter is turned off with (compile-enforce-module-constants #f), which should be done before loading a module. 17:47:16 meow? 17:47:21 oh 17:47:22 thank you! 17:47:25 i'll add it to my .rc 17:47:59 If you use the head version, there is now an `xrepl' tool that makes it easier to load modules in this way. 17:48:07 :( 17:48:46 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-176.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:49:03 ohwow_: Yes, it's rude of pjb to keep pushing his bad-language propaganda here -- in a very tiresome way. 17:49:14 masm [~masm@bl15-72-220.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 17:49:37 weirdo: so did my "solution" work for you? 17:49:50 hmm 17:49:58 ohwow_, wait please 17:50:03 oh sorry 17:50:08 i do ,enter btw 17:50:14 levi [~user@c-174-52-219-147.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:50:19 ,enter seaking/jscheme 17:50:40 don't believe the `enter!' symbol is bound for anything in r5rs mode 17:50:48 ah 17:51:01 well do you edit stuff in seaking/jscheme.rkt ? 17:51:07 or in a different module? 17:52:08 betta_y_omega [~betta_y_o@90.166.231.220] has joined #scheme 17:52:31 weirdo: Yes, ",enter" is doing that for you. 17:53:06 weirdo: On the repl there is no "r5rs mode", you can start with the r5rs language, and xrepl will still work. 17:53:26 yeah 17:54:17 thomanil [~Adium@ti0165a340-dhcp0156.bb.online.no] has joined #scheme 17:55:30 it still doesn't work 17:55:44 i redefined it in the repl, then did C-c C-k again and it doesn't see the file's binding 17:55:56 it sees the binding in the repl 17:56:32 any ideas, please? 17:59:35 -!- thomanil [~Adium@ti0165a340-dhcp0156.bb.online.no] has left #scheme 18:00:58 i think i got it 18:01:11 i was editing a .scm file symlinked to an .rkt file 18:01:20 and i need to edit .rkt directly for geiser to "know" that it's a module 18:01:22 thank you 18:01:40 yay! it works! yay! 18:04:49 i'm so happy i don't have to use drracket anymore. the only problem is a lack of debugger, but with drracket interface being so slow when debugging, i never used that mode anyway 18:04:55 and only used printfs :-) 18:07:50 -!- leo2007 [~leo@58.22.113.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:08:50 and i even have autodoc :-) 18:13:50 -!- tupi_ [~david@189.60.160.15] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:14:21 -!- betta_y_omega [~betta_y_o@90.166.231.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:16:08 betta_y_omega [~betta_y_o@90.166.231.220] has joined #scheme 18:16:49 -!- pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-5f77b45b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:17:16 pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-5f77b45b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 18:18:06 weirdo: :) 18:18:09 i am glad it worked 18:18:13 :-) 18:18:20 i don't share your dislike towards DrRacket tho 18:18:30 I think PLT team did a good job at developing IDE 18:18:39 I am just used to Emacs, that's why I use geiser 18:19:50 thomanil [~Adium@ti0165a340-dhcp0156.bb.online.no] has joined #scheme 18:21:03 ohwow_: http://pre.racket-lang.org/docs/html/guide/other-editors.html 18:21:23 This will be included in the next release (as editor.html). 18:21:56 Ah, that's nice, I think I saw that in ML 18:22:14 It's new, so we're looking for feedback, if you have any. 18:23:28 stamourv: I intentionally made it "other-editors.html". In the context of the guide, "editor" is a very specific editor. 18:24:41 eli: I remembered that you changed the name, but I had forgotten from what to what. 18:24:51 I thought other-editors was the old name. 18:25:04 I agree with the change. 18:25:21 I didn't change the name of the page -- there was no #:tag, so that's new. 18:25:33 I then changed the source file name to match too. 18:25:42 (But that's less important, of course.) 18:25:58 molbdnilo [~Ove@c80-216-198-94.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 18:25:58 can i somehow make mconses always print the same as conses? 18:26:09 i'm not talking about changing all calls to parameterized print 18:26:17 because quote-level is annoyingg 18:26:26 dunno why the requirement 18:26:30 stamourv: BTW, that section breaks a hidden pun there -- with the names of the first and second section names. (But in the text the pun was already dead.) 18:27:14 stamourv, what do you think about my current approach with types? i have things like (if ((constrained-var . its-type)) then else) 18:27:26 it's even possible to call 'subtype?' on such types 18:27:49 eli: I was talking about the change to the file name, not the section name. 18:27:56 eli: And what pun? 18:28:18 weirdo: I haven't been following your progress, so I don't know. 18:28:30 weirdo: And what's a `constrained-var'? 18:28:44 stamourv, some variable in the scope 18:29:03 i also have some types like truth-value and 'true' and 'false' types 18:29:31 that way, 'or' and 'and' forms can expand into reasonable types (well, almost) 18:29:36 Ok, so you're using that syntax instead of predicates like `number?' and co. 18:29:46 not in code, no 18:30:00 but it's the actual type of the expression, this 'if' stuff 18:30:27 i'm asking for trouble with closures and higher-order functions :( 18:30:38 What expression would have that type? 18:30:41 i can handle higher-order, but not higher-order closures (yet) 18:30:51 stamourv, if'ing on a predicate 18:31:14 Ah, ok. 18:31:55 also, if i had a function that accepts only numbers and strings, it would be everything else in that form 18:32:04 stamourv: See the name of the now-third section's page. 18:32:13 (The html filename.) 18:33:56 eli: That's pretty bad. 18:36:51 Rainbow Delimiters mode is aweeeesome! 18:37:12 rainbow paren? 18:37:15 skip it, use parenface 18:37:20 which is waay better 18:37:27 or quack, for that matter 18:37:40 parenface? 18:37:50 it makes parens dim 18:37:53 harder to see them 18:38:03 so they don't stand out as much 18:38:11 Hm 18:38:16 but... i like rainbows! 18:40:17 weirdo: Thanks for suggesting parenface, I'll add that to the docs. 18:41:09 :-) 18:41:27 -!- thomanil [~Adium@ti0165a340-dhcp0156.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:42:10 geiser is turning out pretty well. hope the author accepts my r5rs diffs 18:42:17 i seem to be the only dinosaur writing r5rs code, though 18:42:19 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:43:20 -!- arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:44:43 -!- molbdnilo [~Ove@c80-216-198-94.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: molbdnilo] 18:44:44 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:46:08 i so missed my beloved autodoc 18:48:53 tricus [~tricus@jesus.roams.utk.edu] has joined #scheme 18:52:24 i missed one more case in typing, dan 18:52:25 mn 18:52:54 when an if-expr is done, the resulting types are the union of the two branches 18:54:24 the problem is when a branch cannot be predicted and i don't know which type matches the resulting union type 18:54:28 hope this isn't too twisted 18:54:43 s/type matches/function type matches/ 18:57:11 and of course i can't avoid exponential growth of types when recursing on stuff 19:02:47 barryfm [~barryfm@fl-71-2-133-215.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #scheme 19:13:14 if a scm_gc_malloc:ed block points to a scm_malloc:ed does the gc free the referenced block when the first block is garbaged collected? 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or rather, how can I represent an integer value in various bases? 22:28:45 rudybot: (+ #b1010 #xfafa) 22:28:45 pjb: your r5rs sandbox is ready 22:28:46 pjb: ; Value: 64260 22:29:03 dsmith_ [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:29:26 can I do that for, say, base 5? 22:29:55 penryu: I don't know if there's any provision for random bases in scheme. In some other Lisp, I know there is. But I'm forbidden to mention it here... 22:29:56 also, how can I represent an integer value of 5 as "101" (binary)? 22:31:12 rudybot: (* #c9 #a3) 22:31:12 tab1ta: why is there a just-one-space but no just-one-blank-line? 22:31:40 penryu: there's probably a SRFI to do that. 22:31:45 rudybot: (* #b9 #x3) 22:31:45 tab1ta: why would someone need a stable sorting algorithm? what is the practical use of maintaining the order of records A and B for which key(A) and key(B) return the same value? 22:32:13 sorry just trying 22:33:08 penryu, there are #b #o #d #x in the R5RS. There is no conventional or standard notation for arbitrary radices in Scheme. 22:33:43 ok. not too difficult to implement, I suppose, anyway. 22:33:47 thanks. 22:33:49 Contrary to some other lisps, that scheme could inspire itself from IMO, but which I am forbidden to mention here. 22:35:38 pjb could inspire himself to waste his breath in #lisp. 22:36:34 I only notice americans' attitude wrt free speech... 22:36:59 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Riastradh 22:37:05 -!- pjb [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has been kicked from #scheme by Riastradh (Go petition #lisp for a redress of grievances.) 22:37:08 -!- Riastradh has set mode -o Riastradh 22:37:47 Sorry, folks, for the disruption. 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