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I wrote my impl specifically because Wright's was giving me hygiene problems. 00:23:29 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 00:24:54 -!- jadams|home [~jadams@adsl-98-83-130-111.bhm.bellsouth.net] has left #scheme 00:31:38 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-176.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 257 seconds] 00:48:27 thoolihan [~Tim@50.51.57.35] has joined #scheme 00:53:05 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 00:53:55 wisey [~Steven@host86-150-109-116.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 01:20:02 leo2007 [~leo@114.247.10.68] has joined #scheme 01:26:26 -!- leo2007 [~leo@114.247.10.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:34:10 dgs [~dgs@203-97-51-73.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #scheme 01:37:00 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: day] 01:37:54 -!- cdh23 [~cdh23@pix39.systemsbiology.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:40:08 bit of a newb question (just starting to work thru htdp...) anyone got any tips as to why this code is invalid? (define (bob) (display 'tom) (display 'harry)) - better formatted paste at: http://paste.lisp.org/display/123927 01:40:33 i know it's because it has two expressions in it (or at least, if I remove them, it compiles) 01:40:45 cdh23 [~cdh23@pix39.systemsbiology.net] has joined #scheme 01:40:57 but shouldn't you be to have more than one expression in a function? 01:44:34 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:45:43 foof: I was thinking interface-wise more than implementation-wise; the match-interface seems to have relatively natural and intuitive abstractions. 01:46:05 dgs : are you using Racket ? 01:46:09 yup 01:46:25 i was just about to ask if that made a difference... 01:48:40 you are probably using one of the teaching languages in Racket, which deliberately simplify and strip down on full Scheme, to give better error messages and to not confuse newbies with more complex features 01:48:54 in full Scheme, your code is valid 01:50:11 iirc, you should somewhere be able to select your language, either by some selection box, or by writing something like `#lang racket' as the first line of your source file 01:50:18 yup 01:50:22 just looking at that now 01:50:34 dgs: What ski said. You may need to wrap two display expressions in a begin. 01:50:44 there's no scheme option in there, so guessing i'll need to use #Lang scheme or something 01:50:46 e.g., (define (bob) (begin (display 'tom) (display 'harry))) 01:51:00 cky: cool, that was going to be my next question =) 01:51:10 thanks both =) 01:51:15 :-) 01:51:16 -!- jrapdx [~jra@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:51:30 it it considered bad style to have multiple expressions like that? 01:51:55 dgs: Well, multiple expressions are usually a sign of side-effecting operations (display, set!, and the like). 01:52:08 dgs: Side-effecting operations are not preferred in functional programming style. 01:52:51 ahh. well in this case, I was looking at one of the exercises from the book that wanted me to draw two circles on the screen (using one of the teachpacks) 01:53:06 Well, in that case you can't avoid side effects. Drawing is a side effect. :-) 01:53:17 hahaha 01:53:19 yeah 01:53:31 though I notice they both seem to return a boolean 01:53:41 -!- Indian [~Indian@unaffiliated/londonmet050] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:53:43 so I guess (and (draw this) (draw that)) would be okay? 01:53:58 What are the return values used for? 02:01:21 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 02:03:06 well, they seem to return always true 02:03:22 so i can only assume they put them there to allow (and (this) (that)) 02:03:24 =) 02:08:50 dgs: are you using HtDP 1st edition? 02:09:04 The graphics stuff in the 1st edition is rather old-style. 02:09:05 -!- wisey [~Steven@host86-150-109-116.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:09:41 If you are okay with work-in-progress, the 2nd edition does graphics in a much better way 02:09:44 (http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/matthias/HtDP2e/) 02:11:59 wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 02:12:35 -!- cdh23 [~cdh23@pix39.systemsbiology.net] has quit [Quit: cdh23] 02:13:57 jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-157-58.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:26:47 leo2007 [~leo@124.72.117.9] has joined #scheme 02:31:42 -!- pearle [~pearle@blk-224-181-222.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:31:42 phax [~phax@adsl-68-73-148-217.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has joined #scheme 02:31:42 -!- phax [~phax@adsl-68-73-148-217.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has quit [Changing host] 02:31:42 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #scheme 02:33:48 i was just working of the online one 02:34:20 2003 version by the looks 02:35:01 looking at the second version now 02:35:06 thanks for pointing that out =) 02:35:17 (though wish I'd known this a week or so ago...) 02:36:11 gah 02:36:16 looks like it's changed lots 02:46:11 asumu, any thoughts as to which is better? 02:46:16 (in your opinion) 02:46:35 tbh, the 1st ed is seeming a little ... basic (thus far) 02:47:17 i was originally trying to work thru sicp, but was struggling with the concepts, the scheme + the maths they always seem to use in the questions 02:47:57 thought i'd work thru htdp programs first, and then go back to sicp, so at least I'd know scheme, and would only have to struggle with the concepts + maths 02:48:13 dgs: I hope you don't vote. 02:49:14 haha, why's that? 02:49:23 Heinlein. 02:49:55 He considered that people who couldn't do an integral shouldn't have the right of vote. 02:50:02 There's no math in sicp. 02:50:27 dgs: sorry was eating. My opinion is that working through HtDP2e up until it ends (not done yet) is a good idea. 02:50:31 Because it's significantly streamlined. 02:50:45 Then do what's missing in 1e. 02:51:07 If you're already doing mutation/state stuff in HtDP1e it might not make sense to look at 2e except if you're interested in the new graphics stuff. 02:51:32 there's some calculations in SICP but no /real math/ 02:51:58 Though the monte carlo integration example requires knowing integration to really appreciate it (in SICP) 02:52:04 And early on there's a derivative. 02:52:27 (not math as in proofs and logic) 02:53:40 pjb, well, more maths than i'm used to . . . been a long time since i've had to do any thing more complex than ... well anything 02:54:18 i was struggling with it anyway 02:55:08 which may just mean I suck at scheme, but @!*#($ it, I'm going to eventually work my way thru that book if it kills me 02:55:45 asumu, cool, i guess I'll jump to second ed then. thanks for pointing that out =) 02:55:50 dgs: I like SICP a lot, but depending on what you're looking to get out of it I might read something like PLAI first. 02:56:00 (if you're interested in the interpreters part of the book) 02:58:08 pjb fyi, I got up to ex 1.37(b) of sicp before I got to confused and jumped to htdp 02:58:14 hmm. hadn't even heard of PLAI 02:59:09 -!- turbofail [~user@c-107-3-149-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:59:25 looks like it might be worth a look at 02:59:44 PLAI is good, but probably worth doing HtDP up to accumulators/algorithms unless folds and maps are already easy for you. 03:00:03 It assumes you've read something like HtDP first. 03:00:11 yeah 03:00:27 i'm gonna go thru htdp to the end at least 03:01:10 Sounds good, though keep in mind that HtDP is so long that most courses only do through section VI. 03:02:05 (Obligatory SICP advocacy.) 03:07:15 -!- wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 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When using scheme-compile-definition-and-go in emacs, I'm given the error 'unbound variable: compile' - any ideas? 14:38:06 markskilbeck: I'd guess you're using a flavor of scheme that isn't "supported" 14:38:26 offby1: that would be mit-scheme (on ubuntu) 14:38:56 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 14:39:12 I am a little surprised; that's a very old scheme, I'd expect it to be well supported. 14:40:30 The Federalists are a very old political party, but I don't think they have many supporters now. 14:41:14 pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-d9bfd2ab.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 14:41:43 markskilbeck, cmuscheme.el's notion of `compile' is pretty random. 14:42:51 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:42:59 Blerg. 14:43:02 Oh well. 14:43:16 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 14:43:41 Just use `scheme-load-whatever' instead of `scheme-compile-whatever'. 14:43:49 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Client Quit] 14:44:31 There's only a single scheme-load-whatever: scheme-load-file. 14:44:57 Sorry, `scheme-send-whatever'. 14:45:46 -!- dostoyevsky [sck@oemcomputer.oerks.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:45:54 -!- hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:47:26 rins [~rins@c-76-24-27-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 14:47:37 dostoyevsky [sck@oemcomputer.oerks.de] has joined #scheme 14:49:14 Riastradh: cheers. 14:52:47 markskilbeck: also, look into "geiser" as a replacement for cmuscheme 14:52:49 it's shinier 14:56:11 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:57:14 -!- Brendan_T [~brendan@static.112.22.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:11 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 15:03:35 -!- mmc [~michal@sams-office-nat.tomtomgroup.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:33 -!- X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05:49 gjhhj [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #scheme 15:09:02 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 15:09:27 zanes [~zane@mail.barackobama.com] has joined #scheme 15:21:43 samth [~samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 15:26:36 HG` [~HG@p5DC0526E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 15:29:53 -!- penryu [~tanuki@unaffiliated/penryu] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 15:36:46 -!- gjhhj [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:37:55 Indian [~Indian@unaffiliated/londonmet050] has joined #scheme 15:41:10 penryu [~tanuki@unaffiliated/penryu] has joined #scheme 15:43:27 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 15:47:58 Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has joined #scheme 15:48:25 fbass [~fbass@75-173-95-248.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 23:22:46 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #scheme 23:22:46 23:22:46 -!- names: ccl-logbot erikano pearle bill_h X-Scale drdo pothos zanes markskil1eck kennyd araujo Indian confab rpg acarrico bgs100 ASau githogori jao G_ realitygrill imphasing cdh23 turbofail depy betta_y_omega Nisstyre faze` z0d Khisanth fbass penryu samth jonrafkind dostoyevsky rins pygospa tupi gnomon replore pandeiro REPLeffect phax DGASAU Nshag kniu ToxicFrog dfeuer DT`` yosafbridge XTL leppie pchrist ohwow hakkum oldpier dgs thoolihan Modius cmatei shardz 23:22:46 -!- names: PreciousMetals yell0 MichaelRaskin zeroish doc_who Guest9666 brabo cataska stepnem snorble dsmith kpal cbrannon aoh dsp_ twem2 Adrinael joast peterhil preflex Obfuscate saccadewrk rapacity incubot ecraven tunes Euthydemus` martinhex stamourv pjb evhan mooglenorph takamoron space-cadet dRbiG tessier Intensity jimster amoe framling C-Keen mario-goulart asumu rudybot docgnome Zol aehrisch elly moll ozzloy weirdo antoszka felipe clog ski mornfall vk0 offby1 23:22:46 -!- names: inimino shachaf ivartj elliottcable weinholt chemuduguntar levi stchang ft wilx Iceland_jack fbs Hal9k bohanlon eli ineiros finnrobi gabot xian jimrees_ jeff_ em Axioplase_ danking tizoc tauntaun sjamaan zbigniew duncanm eno kanru pbusser2 fds daedric rotty cky ray sepisultrum augiedoggie ada2358_ r11t Pepe_ poucet ve specbot sloyd DerGuteMoritz askhader _p4bl0 snarkyboojum xale klutometis kandinski tonyg aking foof erg 23:24:03 bill_h: you could return `option' as a value, and then call it from the main menu 23:24:07 *option1 23:25:11 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 23:25:40 samth: Good idea. 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