00:01:53 DrDuck: What's up? (I'm not "math lover" by any means, but, you should ask anyway.) 00:02:20 weirdo: http://www.dwheeler.com/readable/ ;-) 00:02:26 weirdo: Special for you. :-P 00:04:08 :-) 00:09:33 cky: I dunno? I am not under such a thing, certainly 00:10:16 and if she was, she couldn't tell us! 00:10:30 -!- masm [~masm@bl19-142-4.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:10:52 that's exactly what somebody under a gag order would say. 00:11:17 *Daemmerung* sees enemies everywhere 00:11:35 no, if I was, I wouldn't reply at all 00:11:35 *cky* sees a 4chan party van parked outside Daemmerung's house. 00:11:40 but I'm not, so I can 00:13:15 elly: That's reassuring. :-) 00:13:57 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:15:20 cky, I just wanted to get a bit of input, from a programmer who loves math, on the importance that he/she thinks math plays in programming now days along with computer science, specifically algorithm analysis and creation. 00:15:48 I wanted to ask a mathy person so I would get a biased reply and a bit of encouragement lol! 00:16:29 I am sort of a mathy person that programs for a living 00:17:14 elly, well you would be perfect for answering my question. Define 'sort of a mathy person', though? 00:17:48 math minor from university :) 00:18:26 I've liked math since I was little 00:18:29 Well, go on. Answer the question! 00:19:00 which question am I answering? I missed it 00:19:41 Importance you think math plays in programming in the modern day -- CS, too. 00:19:49 What type of topics do you like? 00:20:17 discrete math, combinatorics, graph theory, number theory 00:21:00 Did you get to do all of that for your minor? 00:21:47 I did just discrete math and logic 00:22:40 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 00:23:44 -!- wisey [~Steven@host86-150-109-116.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:24:06 could you guys help me with compiling to JS? 00:24:13 it's too slow in everything except Google Chrome 00:36:19 zmv [~Telefonic@187.34.49.64] has joined #scheme 00:39:38 zmv_ [~Telefonic@187.34.49.64] has joined #scheme 00:43:36 -!- zmv [~Telefonic@187.34.49.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:48:14 -!- zmv_ is now known as zmv 00:50:30 mario-goulart, http://tehran.lain.pl/foo.html - my compiled fib 00:56:41 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:59:56 zmv_ [~Telefonic@187.34.49.64] has joined #scheme 01:03:09 -!- zmv [~Telefonic@187.34.49.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:11:31 realitygrill [~realitygr@c-24-5-7-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:13:12 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 01:16:00 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 01:17:30 cky, I haven't touched SICP since our talk last week. Scheme is so weird. I'm jumping back into exercise 1.3. Is there a way to make these little encapsulated modules return a value instead of a Boolean fact from using cond to compare if a value is larger than the other? There are supposed to be three arguments provided to the primary function, and I'm thinking and hoping only two comparisons have to be done, but I know I'm going to have 01:17:30 to get some type of variable assignment to do that or something. 01:19:22 -!- zmv_ is now known as zmv 01:19:26 x__x 01:20:27 zmv_ [~Telefonic@187.34.49.64] has joined #scheme 01:24:42 -!- zmv [~Telefonic@187.34.49.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:26:24 DrDuck: Eh? 01:26:34 -!- Iceland_jack [~baldur@earth.sudo.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:26:49 cky, I talked to ya last week about Exercise 1.3 in SICP. 01:26:57 I had to go to a wedding, though. 01:27:04 meh 01:27:14 do the excercises on the wedding 01:27:53 Lol. 01:28:02 I actually did something close to it. 01:28:10 -!- hypercube32 [~hypercube@231.125.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:28:20 I took a train to a friend's wedding some 7 years ago. I spent the train trip studying R5RS. 01:28:27 Especially the Denotational Semantics section. 01:28:32 *zmv_* approves 01:29:03 And I was enlightened. :-P 01:29:17 Bah, I need to buckle down and just figure it out. 01:29:25 I'm being a child by asking for help all the time. 01:29:28 I can solve this! 01:29:37 I have an interminable bar mitzvah looming in my future. Have to find a meaty paper that I can hide in a prayer book. 01:29:39 Gonna grab some pizza and redbull first, though. 01:29:40 x___x 01:30:30 -!- ASau [~user@95-27-147-30.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:30:36 exercise 1.3 isnt bad 01:30:54 like you said you only need two comparisons 01:31:04 DrDuck: It's really, really easy. What have you got so far? 01:31:09 I wish I could just do assignments, though. 01:31:19 you dont need assignment for it 01:31:25 cky, I wrote down on paper functions for largest num and squaring, 01:31:28 .* 01:31:38 in scheme? 01:31:44 ya 01:31:57 if you can do max in scheme the you can do 1.3 01:32:16 doc_who: My solution is even cheaper than that. ;-) 01:32:28 Sec. Talking to the pizza man. 01:32:47 hey 01:32:53 doc_who: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/161666/sicp-exercise-1-3-request-for-comments/161675#161675 01:32:53 http://tinyurl.com/4eph2h5 01:32:57 offer 20% tip if he solves 1.3 01:33:04 zmv_: That's right. :-D 01:33:30 -!- replore [~replore@ntkngw133234.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:33:59 Ok I'm back. 01:34:06 :-D 01:34:48 cky, yours is good but im enjoying the selected answer :D 01:34:58 doc_who: :-D 01:35:08 doc_who: Both leppie and I have valid, but different, approaches. :-) 01:35:17 Oh, leppie isn't on the channel at the moment. :-P 01:35:21 Oh well. 01:36:02 I was thinking of doing (define (3_sum a b c) (cond (largest a b) a) (else b))) as a start. I've got square and largest functions defined no prob. I just need to add on to largest and understand how to compare the looser with the other number, and then grab the two winners all without assigning anything. 01:36:04 x_________x 01:36:35 3_sum? That sounds kinky. 01:36:39 :{D 01:37:26 DrDuck: You know how to use LET, right? 01:37:31 LET? 01:37:40 I don't even know what the acronym stands for. 01:37:43 lol 01:37:44 (let ((foo bar) (baz qux)) ...) 01:37:58 Ahh, haven't gotten to that in the book yet. 01:38:04 Huh. 01:38:17 O_o 01:38:20 Yeah, without let, you'll have a slightly harder time, but you can do without it, too. 01:38:56 It would be nice to do it without let, but I suppose it will be my alternative if it makes things easier. 01:39:03 -!- littlebobby [~bob@unaffiliated/littlebobby] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 01:39:10 i can post my solution if you want 01:39:10 I'll try to write an example of my concept. 01:39:23 doc_who: I'd love to look at it, especially how it compares with leppie's and mine. 01:39:26 i think let would make it more complex 01:39:32 i did it the boring way =/ 01:39:33 Hmmmm. 01:39:35 D: 01:39:35 :-D 01:40:07 http://pastebin.com/fv4UHqV7 01:40:49 i havent worked past the first few sections of sicp and i got 3/4 through htdp before it got confusing/boring 01:41:15 up to what it called "generative recursion" 01:41:17 Ohh yeahhh the and operator. 01:41:22 doc_who: Hahahahahahahaha. 01:41:27 *DrDuck* smacks head 01:41:59 doc_who: I do like your solution, yes. 01:43:15 Damnit. 01:43:23 I'm mad I didn't figure that out now. 01:43:29 Curse my eyes for looking! 01:43:45 Thank you, though, doc_who. 01:44:44 ah yeah sorry about that 01:44:52 -!- zmv_ [~Telefonic@187.34.49.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:47:13 DrDuck: Have you ever played Andrew Plotkin's Lists and Lists? It's got a few fun exercises too. 01:47:23 DrDuck: For best results, don't look at other people's solutions, and don't use the hints. 01:47:35 zmv [~Telefonic@189-47-123-113.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #scheme 01:47:41 (Well, actually the hints are gradual; they start out mild and finish with an actual solution.) 01:47:52 cky, that's what I will do. 01:48:02 I wont ask in here again unless it's absolutely necessary. 01:48:09 Hehehehehehe. 01:48:15 Do you guys do your scheme development in emacs? 01:48:24 I do. 01:49:11 Which is quite a stunning compliment for Paredit (since that's the only thing I use Emacs for); I do almost all my other editing in vi. 01:49:42 (Though if I'm writing tiny Scheme snippets, I still use vi.) 01:49:49 didnt he (plotkin) write a lambda calculus book? 01:50:05 doc_who: That wouldn't surprise me, though I haven't heard of it. 01:50:40 Lists and Lists is fun but it lacks some of modern Scheme's conveniences, which makes me a little disappointed. ;-) 01:51:11 For example (and this is probably not a big spoiler), it doesn't have the DEFINE shortcut, APPLY, or named LET (it does have plain-jane LET). 01:51:55 By "DEFINE shortcut", I mean that you can't write (define (foo bar) baz); you have to write (define foo (lambda (bar) baz)). 01:53:23 -!- DrDuck is now known as pizzaduck 01:53:24 brb 01:56:08 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:56:33 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 01:58:39 hussaibi_ [~hussaibi@wirewall.cs.toronto.edu] has joined #scheme 01:59:10 -!- fbass [~fbass@75-173-81-122.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:01:38 whats the difference between named let and regular let 02:01:40 ? 02:02:07 -!- hussaibi [~hussaibi@wirewall.cs.toronto.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:02:13 Named LET has a name for the implied procedure. `Regular' LET doesn't. 02:02:58 (let ((x0 e0) (x1 e1)) e) is equivalent to ((lambda (x0 x1) e) e0 e1). Notice that the lambda doesn't have a name, so nothing can refer to it once it has been applied. In named LET, you give a name by which the body e can refer to the procedure. 02:03:38 Thus, (let name ((x0 e0) (x1 e1)) e) is equivalent to ((letrec ((name (lambda (x0 x1) e))) name) e0 e1). 02:04:17 mmm i c 02:09:31 -!- YokYok_ [~david@AClermont-Ferrand-651-1-44-92.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:10:26 It's Friday, so forgive if my brain is sluggish: is there any practical difference between expanding to ((letrec ((name (lambda (x0 x1) e))) name) e0 e1) vs (letrec ((name (lambda (x0 x1) e))) (name e0 e1))? 02:15:12 -!- elliottcable [~elliottca@ec2-174-129-205-205.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 02:15:12 Other than, say, the lack of symmetry between the named LET expansion and the plain-jane LET expansion? 02:15:13 Yes. 02:15:13 (let f ((x (f))) ...) 02:15:13 Yes, good point. :-) 02:15:13 ivartj_ [~ivartj@ti0031a380-0522.bb.online.no] has joined #scheme 02:15:13 I forget that macros don't evaluate their subforms, so the e0 e1 ... are not evaluated. 02:15:13 *not _already_ evaluated 02:15:13 -!- ivartj [~ivartj@ti0031a380-0522.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:15:13 -!- fbs [~fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:15:13 fbs [~fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has joined #scheme 02:17:04 elliottcable [~elliottca@ec2-174-129-205-205.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #scheme 02:21:21 -!- pizzaduck is now known as DrDuck 02:22:45 -!- elliottcable [~elliottca@ec2-174-129-205-205.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:23:18 Have any of you read through the entire SICP? Just wanting to get a head count. 02:23:58 elliottcable [~elliottca@ec2-174-129-205-205.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #scheme 02:23:59 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@c-24-5-7-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 02:28:47 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:29:11 DrDuck: there are a couple of blogs with almost all the exercises done. So at least a couple of people have read it entirely. 02:29:26 pjb, I mean't in this channel. 02:35:40 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 02:35:58 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:43:10 gienah [~mwright@ppp121-44-3-70.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #scheme 02:43:20 -!- elliottcable is now known as e 02:43:50 -!- e is now known as Guest24367 02:44:09 -!- Guest24367 is now known as elliottcable 02:50:34 -!- elliottcable is now known as ec 02:51:43 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-176.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:08:00 dfeuer [~dfeuer@pool-71-178-51-188.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 03:08:00 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@pool-71-178-51-188.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 03:08:00 dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #scheme 03:10:54 zanes [~zane@108-90-245-81.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:17:52 Is there something wrong with my paren matching? http://pastebin.com/gfrmQHSR 03:19:04 A COND looks like (COND ( ) ( ) ... (ELSE )), but it looks like you wrote it as if it were (COND ... (ELSE )). 03:20:18 TOO MUCH OATMEAL; TOO FEW FINGERNAIL CLIPPINGS 03:20:22 gah 03:20:28 *gnomon* hammers the caps lock 03:20:37 Hi, gnomon. 03:20:42 Hullo there, Riastradh! 03:21:08 Long time no tappity-type. State-of-the-world-p? 03:21:43 t 03:21:45 (the world has a state) 03:22:00 hee hee hee 03:22:39 It turns out that rename is an unbelievably hairy system call, and it's pretty much broken almost everywhere. 03:22:48 Oho? Do tell! 03:23:06 Linux gets it right, I think. 03:23:18 (and it certainly sounds like you've been spending a bunch of time cataloguing the shortcomings of POSIX lately. I applaud your efforts!) 03:24:01 This isn't exactly a shortcoming of POSIX; it's intrinsic to the nature of a Unix-like file system. 03:24:48 Where filenames belong to directories rather than to the files at which they point, do you mean? 03:24:57 If you want to use a fine-grained locking scheme, which you do because you want to maximize your file system's bandwidth, you have three or four objects to lock, and you must lock them in the right order, and by the way any pair of them -- and possibly more than one pair of them -- might be the same. 03:25:13 And you don't know a priori what ancestry relations they have, and you have to lock some to discover some others. 03:25:43 inode, directory entry / file name, ... what other things need to be locked? 03:25:53 Hardlinks? 03:26:01 Source and target directory and node. 03:26:18 I did it!! 03:26:20 Yippie! 03:26:42 *gnomon* hands DrDuck a congratulatory angry cuttlefish 03:26:51 Careful, they bite. 03:26:52 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: *facedesk*] 03:26:54 http://pastebin.com/sKFhEZKV 03:26:57 Looky looky! 03:27:35 DrDuck, nice! Are you manually indenting your code, by the way, or relying on a program to indent it for you? 03:27:48 One small step for duck. One giant leap for duckkind. 03:27:56 gnomon, relying on emacs indent. 03:28:07 Riastradh, why have you been playing around with file renames? Mere curiousity, or is there a purpose to your machinations? 03:28:27 I want a file system that !@*#^%@^#&*@! works. 03:28:39 Is my indent ugly, gnomon? :< 03:28:44 DrDuck, you may wish to reindent the code in the pastebin - it may highlight the structure more intuitively. 03:28:50 DrDuck, no no, not ugly! 03:29:03 kk 03:29:12 DrDuck, you'll see what I mean in a second. 03:29:24 :{D 03:29:27 Riastradh, heh - don't we all? 03:30:05 DrDuck, emacs's auto-indentation can be as strong a hint about proper Scheme/lisp-y syntax as the font lock highlighter. 03:32:20 D: 03:33:45 Why are you dismayed, DrDuck? 03:34:03 Riastradh, are you leaning on your filesystem particularly hard for some reason? 03:34:17 -!- ec is now known as elliottcable 03:34:26 Riastradh, you don't have any grand plans to remediate the situation by launching into full fugue mode and crafting your own, do you? 03:34:34 No, I try not to lean on my file systems hard because I know how brittle they are. 03:36:19 DrDuck: Naming your variables q, w, and e is really gross. Jus' sayin'. 03:36:44 FreeBSD's rename is cute. It goes like this: Trylock x, trylock y, trylock z -- OOPS! Unlock-unlock-unlock-unlock-unlock--start over! Trylock x, trylock y... 03:37:03 Riastradh: Nested locking with backtracking. :-P 03:37:15 Riastradh, hah! Seriously? 03:37:38 cky, If I give them the same names as ones from another function, will the there be a global variable memory problem? 03:37:47 That sounds... like it is probably implemented with a minimum of code, at the expense of reasonable behaviour. 03:37:48 DrDuck: Of course not. 03:37:53 DrDuck: Scheme has lexical scoping. 03:37:55 Until last year, ZFS's rename was kinda cute too. It went like this: Lock x, lock y, and hope that you didn't compile your kernel with locking diagnostics enabled because you forgot to check whether x == y. 03:38:04 HAH 03:38:14 DrDuck, like Riastradh said your indenting is a little off 03:38:34 and i would change the variable names that you use 03:38:39 Would someone give me an example of how it /should/ be? 03:38:47 DrDuck: Lines 15 through 17 need one more space. 03:38:47 (indenting) 03:39:11 i.e., first ( should be flush with the c in "cond". 03:40:11 for sum-of-sq, c and d are ok choices for variable names but x and y or a and b are more common/scheme-y 03:40:40 Right, and q, w, and e is definitely wrong. :-P 03:40:52 Why so? Next is r, then t... 03:40:57 and for three-sum, its very hard to understand what q, w, and e are supposed to mean 03:41:09 -!- dfjkdfjkla [~paulh@244-15-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:41:11 What doc_who said. 03:41:25 Especially if you use a decent keyboard layout. :-P 03:42:30 fbass [~fbass@75-173-81-122.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 03:42:35 its not a big deal for this exercise but something to think about and itll make things easier in the long term 03:42:41 Clearly, variable names should be named in sequenc , , , etc. 03:42:51 like writing the contract statements ala htdp or eopl 03:42:53 Your professors will hate you. 03:42:57 lol 03:43:16 Well, not really. Your professors will probably chuckle. The grading TAs will hate you. 03:43:32 (a generally laudable goal) 03:43:46 yeah it depends how mathy or into PLT they are 03:44:04 *gnomon* sighs heavily 03:44:14 "What are those squiggly letters?" 03:44:28 -- the Java professor who drew the short straw and had to teach the functional programming course at my uni 03:44:35 Our school only teaches commercial OO languages like C++ and Java, so I doubt my professors will see this. x__x Just wanting to go through SICP to pick up some good concepts. 03:45:05 gnomon, oh thats rough 03:45:30 DrDuck, in that case, don't let anything that anyone in here says discourage you. Keep doing just what you're doing, read lots of good code while you're at it, and enjoy the brain-bending! 03:45:44 gnomon: Thankfully for that professor, you can use said "squiggly letters" if you're in coding in Java, too. 03:45:47 :D 03:45:50 doc_who, I imagine it was as unpleasant for him as it was for me. 03:46:01 It's definitely different than C code! 03:46:01 At least I certainly _hope_ it was. 03:46:02 :D 03:46:27 DrDuck, you should check out J afterward! 03:46:49 gnomon, after this I'm going to focus on math and algorithms for a bit. 03:46:50 i didnt know you could have unicode characters in variable names in scheme or java though 03:46:51 :D 03:47:04 I want a good foundational understanding of programming and computer science. 03:47:07 this will make things interesting =D 03:48:45 Hey, where is chandler these days? 03:54:10 -!- hussaibi_ [~hussaibi@wirewall.cs.toronto.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:54:34 He hasn't been around here in a while, I think. 03:58:05 He was out at the WWDC because of AirStash, I think, and then he mentioned something in the Ars Technica article about an upcoming retail deal - very exciting, but I imagine it's keeping him very busy. 03:58:21 I just hope he resurfaces soon! 04:07:59 -!- fbass [~fbass@75-173-81-122.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:08:06 fbass [~fbass@75-173-81-122.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 04:08:23 -!- fbass [~fbass@75-173-81-122.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:08:29 fbass [~fbass@75-173-81-122.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 04:08:36 -!- fbass [~fbass@75-173-81-122.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:08:43 fbass [~fbass@75-173-81-122.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 04:08:48 -!- fbass [~fbass@75-173-81-122.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:09:09 fbass [~fbass@75-173-81-122.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 04:15:12 -!- doc_who [~doc_who@pool-108-28-6-47.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:18:01 doc_who [~doc_who@pool-108-28-6-47.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:31:31 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 04:39:25 -!- pyro- [~pyro@CPE-124-180-186-25.lns12.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:39:34 -!- fbass [~fbass@75-173-81-122.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:43:57 fbass [~fbass@75-173-81-122.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 05:14:59 -!- alfa_y_omega [~alfa_y_om@90.166.231.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:17:49 -!- fbass [~fbass@75-173-81-122.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:17:55 fbass [~fbass@75-173-81-122.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 05:21:12 alfa_y_omega [~alfa_y_om@90.166.231.220] has joined #scheme 05:28:42 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:32:37 -!- pcavs [~paul@c-65-96-169-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:35:34 pyro- [~pyro@CPE-124-180-186-25.lns12.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #scheme 05:38:15 realitygrill [~realitygr@c-24-5-7-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:55:56 Sgeo [~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 05:56:54 -!- Sgeo_ [~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:57:07 Local boy makes good. 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12:11:09 Brendan_T [~brendan@static.112.22.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has joined #scheme 12:12:43 bad-egg: http://community.schemewiki.org/?call-with-current-continuation might be a good starting point. I'm not sure that I'm qualified to attempt an explanation here, but there are many documents online that discuss it. 12:13:53 thanks for #fds 12:14:31 delian66 [~quassel@84.252.14.164] has joined #scheme 12:14:43 E.g. http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/dorai/t-y-scheme/t-y-scheme-Z-H-15.html 12:15:17 weirdo: that was unnecessary. 12:22:23 Thank you! 12:24:30 I think there's also some discussion of it in "The Scheme Programming Language", and probably other freely available textbooks. 12:33:10 i recommend writing some helper functions and not using call/cc by itself in regular code 12:33:14 like, coroutine constructor 12:40:09 -!- homie`` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-152-101.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:41:20 mmc [~michal@109.116.206.176] has joined #scheme 12:42:10 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-152-101.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 12:42:43 -!- zmv [~Telefonic@189-47-123-113.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:44:46 zmv 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gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 15:51:57 could someone please help me transcribe the correct version of letrec to non-hygienic syntax? 15:51:59 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 15:52:08 i don't understand hygienic syntax 15:59:39 -!- Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:07:42 weirdo, It's pretty clean, actually. 16:12:04 yay! it works! 16:12:33 -!- mmc [~michal@109.112.113.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:20:28 Do I need to define nil in mit-scheme? 16:20:35 zmv [~Telefonic@189-47-123-113.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #scheme 16:20:48 Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has joined #scheme 16:23:25 why would you need nil? 16:23:37 it's a regular symbol with no special meaning 16:23:55 (define nil 'nil) :) 16:24:46 -!- zmv_ [~Telefonic@189-47-123-113.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:26:58 mmc 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I am mapping the list. 16:29:27 genieliu, '() is the list-end. #f is the false value 16:30:45 weirdo: Yes, and nil is also the list-end. right? 16:30:53 no 16:31:04 if you put 'nil in the cdr, it's an improper list 16:33:21 weirdo: But in the SICP, it use nil in the end of list 16:33:57 (define nil '()) 16:34:46 Daemmerung: Yep, and now the answer is right. 16:34:57 genieliu: nil is an old Lisp concept. It used to be identical to the empty list _and_ the symbol nil 16:35:28 I think older versions of Scheme used to have this too 16:35:41 nil was also the value used to indicate "false" 16:36:43 sjamaan: Now the latest version doesn't have nil? 16:36:50 indeed 16:37:51 sjamaan: So if I want to symbol the end of list,I have to define nil just like (define nil '()) 16:38:13 Or just use '() 16:38:17 yeah 16:38:21 Schemers just use '() 16:38:59 Got it! Guys,thanks a lot. 16:42:56 Scroll_Tro0L [45f7cb82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.247.203.130] has joined #scheme 16:43:01 see footnote 10 in sicp 16:44:10 -!- mmc [~michal@109.117.141.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:47:12 Scroll_Tro0L, greetings 16:47:19 here is a budding Scheme hacker 16:47:36 ? 16:47:43 (it's me, sthalik) 16:47:47 ah ok 16:48:00 Why would i need to hack? 16:48:09 I'll have goons to hack for me =P 16:48:18 http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hacker 16:48:51 so im a taxi driver? 16:50:40 nope, unless that's the job you applied for :P 16:52:27 not even close, medical scribe lawl 16:55:31 -!- gienah [~mwright@ppp121-44-3-70.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:57:45 mmc [~michal@109.112.72.55] has joined #scheme 17:02:16 any of you guys know of a portable CLOS for scheme that doesn't suck? 17:02:35 tinyclos is too... err, efficient 17:02:45 that is, doesn't have as much metaclass expressibility 17:03:50 replore_ 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