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#scheme 16:20:50 hello 16:21:01 anyone knows if scheme has support for types? 16:21:08 i mean like double 16:21:15 integers floats 16:21:32 someone said me it doesn't 16:22:01 zmv [~Telefonic@187.57.30.27] has joined #scheme 16:22:18 but in the manual of the IDE drscheme i found something about it a i could not realize if it refers to Java or scheme 16:22:47 tab1ta: Scheme has a unified numeric tower. Meaning that all numbers are just treated as numbers (though some are exact, others inexact). 16:23:15 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@74-95-198-157-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 16:23:27 yes i knew about the inexact numbers 16:24:10 but can i write a function which distinguish if a number is an integer or not? 16:24:28 is there any predicate (like odd? even?) 16:24:31 ? 16:24:44 There's integer?. 16:24:46 distinguishes* 16:25:08 rudybot: (integer? 1.0) 16:25:08 cky: ; Value: #t 16:25:14 rudybot: (integer? 1.5) 16:25:14 cky: ; Value: #f 16:25:21 o 16:25:32 rudybot: (integer? (+ 1.5 1.5)) 16:25:33 cky: ; Value: #t 16:25:34 well i could use that 16:25:46 great thank you 16:26:13 :-P 16:26:47 tab1ta: (1) scheme has only "dynamically typed" (whatever that means); (2) it's "DrRacket", not "drscheme"; (3) DrRacket is not a language, so it's actually Racket; (4) you must be talking about typed racket -- http://docs.racket-lang.org/ts-guide/ -- which is not really scheme. 16:27:11 typed racket is pretty awesome, thugh 16:27:14 though rather 16:28:37 even python is dynamically typed isn't it? 16:28:44 rudybot: doc even? 16:28:48 Daemmerung: http://docs.plt-scheme.org/reference/number-types.html#(def._((quote._~23~25kernel)._even~3f)) 16:29:07 I invite you to peruse the manual most excellent. 16:30:00 tab1ta: Dynamically typed is typically taken to mean that types are attached to 'things' at run-time, which means that a compiler can not know the types of things when it does its job. In that sense, python, ruby, perl, scheme and many others are dynamically typed. :-) 16:30:12 offby1: what would it take for rudybot to return racket-lang.org URLs? 16:30:22 i see 16:31:08 tab1ta: a language that is not dynamically type usually requires you to explicitly state the types of things in code (Although there are exceptions to this with languages that support type inference) such as int x = 7; for example 16:31:29 typed, even 16:31:33 yes i know, c is one of them 16:31:41 ansi c 16:31:46 yes, and java and c++ and many more 16:31:55 i mean one of the ones wich are not dynamically typed 16:32:27 in c you have to build you own predicates if you want them 16:32:51 your* own.. 16:33:18 I code C very differently from how I could Scheme or Python because it's a very different language :p 16:34:14 -!- copumpkin is now known as EstablishmentLov 16:34:21 -!- EstablishmentLov is now known as copumpkin 16:34:35 -!- zmv [~Telefonic@187.57.30.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:34:49 :) 16:35:15 Daemmerung: interesting question. Lemme look. 16:36:17 zmv [~Telefonic@187.57.30.27] has joined #scheme 16:36:20 you could say that in C the types are more important and that in scheme or Python classes are? (even if speaking about class in scheme is forced) 16:36:47 could you* [..]? 16:36:56 tab1ta: No. 16:37:17 no? 16:37:22 tab1ta: C has "manifest typing", which means that types have to be declared upfront. Objects don't carry types; variables do. 16:37:45 tab1ta: Scheme, JS, Python, Ruby, etc. have "latent typing", which means that objects themselves know what type they have. 16:37:54 So, variables don't have to be of any specific type. 16:38:22 no but ok i'm probably confusing scheme and Python with java in which classes are a sort of type when you declare a variable 16:43:16 rudybot: doc even? 16:43:20 *offby1: your sandbox is ready 16:43:20 *offby1: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/number-types.html#(def._((quote._~23~25kernel)._even~3f)) 16:43:40 well, that was as easy as it ought to have been. 16:43:47 When does that ever happen? 16:43:55 *eli* claps 16:44:23 Certainly not now. I'm sure that your syslog is now brimming with wonderful news. 16:44:43 sure sure 16:44:55 Shouldn't be -- that's the dynamic reloading thing. 16:44:59 *nod 16:46:15 -!- ASau [~user@95-24-140-223.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:46:20 acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-52-179.gmavt.net] has joined #scheme 16:46:34 offby1: It's a good thing you're not a hebrew speaker. 16:46:46 *offby1* stares blankly 16:47:11 when you say "nod" in hebrew, it's this word: http://translate.google.com/?hl=en&tab=wT#iw|en|%D7%A0%D7%90%D7%93%0A 16:47:43 *Daemmerung* nods in agreement 16:47:44 I usually ignore "nodes" and "nods", but the extra * gave it an irresistible good twist. 16:47:58 *Daemmerung* nods enthusiastically 16:48:43 .oO("ascus") 16:48:47 don' wanna know 16:49:51 Noun: A sac in which the spores of ascomycete fungi develop. 16:49:58 Dig this - http://www.mushroomthejournal.com/greatlakesdata/Terms/ascus134.html 16:50:17 It's chock full of crossword puzzle fodder 16:50:40 *Daemmerung* dehisces 16:51:05 :) 16:52:46 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-80-192-44.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:55:41 -!- zmv [~Telefonic@187.57.30.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:58:03 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-188-220.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:58:30 zmv [~Telefonic@187.57.30.27] has joined #scheme 17:00:29 if I were to click that link, it'd only to see if there were any good recipes 17:07:49 rubybot (cast 4.8372 real integer) 17:08:09 rudybot: (cast 4.8372 real integer) 17:08:09 tab1ta: your sandbox is ready 17:08:10 tab1ta: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: cast in module: 'program 17:09:12 rudybot: (round 4.8372) 17:09:13 fds: your sandbox is ready 17:09:13 fds: ; Value: 5.0 17:09:18 Is that what you wanted? 17:09:37 -!- genieliu [~genieliu@59.78.62.120] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:09:44 or `truncate'? or `floor'? or that other thing? 17:09:50 rudybot: (floor 4.8372) ; or that possibly? 17:09:50 fds: where did you run across it? Or is it the mad mutterings of a dying and insane priest? 17:10:02 Hmph, rudybot Doesn't like comments? 17:10:11 s/D/d/ 17:10:51 rudybot: Scheme is the mad mutterings of a dying and insane priest. 17:10:51 fds: where did you run across it? Or is it the mad mutterings of a dying and insane priest? 17:11:28 rudybot: how is lambbda formed 17:11:28 Daemmerung: I thought it emerged, fully formed from the forehead of RMS 17:12:03 -!- docgnome [~docgnome@web169.webfaction.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:12:08 docgnome [~docgnome@web169.webfaction.com] has joined #scheme 17:12:10 Dear god. Incubot's been assimilated. 17:12:32 How form get beta reduced? 17:12:48 they need to do way to instain> redex 17:13:11 Heh, I can see how this could go too far.. 17:13:27 -!- tupi_ [~david@189.60.162.202] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:13:48 zmv_ [~Telefonic@187.57.30.27] has joined #scheme 17:15:07 fds not exactly 17:15:12 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15:24 but i found a way thanks 17:15:44 fds more like floor 17:15:48 ok 17:16:54 tab1ta: `cast' is part of the Racket FFI. You almost certainly want nothing to do with it right now. 17:17:21 Racket FFI? 17:17:29 -!- zmv [~Telefonic@187.57.30.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:17:31 Racket FFI! 17:17:48 you mean the Racket "dialect of scheme"? 17:17:51 That's right! Monorail! 17:18:15 Rocket 88! 17:18:34 no it's not that i don't want nothing to do with it.. i even installed in it the other system on my mqachine 17:18:39 machine 17:18:58 -!- zmv_ [~Telefonic@187.57.30.27] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19:12 zmv [~Telefonic@187.57.30.27] has joined #scheme 17:19:21 but i actually forgott the password (too many password) 17:19:36 fds: I think it works like this: if rudybot can read _everything_ you type as a single s-expression, then he evaluates it. 17:19:41 comments throw that off apparently 17:20:09 No, Racket's great. I use it nearly daily. But it looks like you discovered `cast', perhaps by typing familiar C terms into the documentation search function. I am suggesting that you ignore `cast' for a nice long time. 17:20:09 Daemmerung: you only just now noticed that incubot has been assimilated? 17:20:26 .oO("how is lambbda formed" ... classic) 17:20:45 offby1: I was absent for a right long while. I was ionized, but... I'm better. 17:20:47 we're a regular Algonquin Round Table around here 17:21:21 I find that there is little that "I am truley sorry for your lots" does not answer adequately 17:21:40 *offby1* does just fine with staring blankly and shifting uncomfortably 17:22:02 *Daemmerung* nods for dramatic emphasis 17:23:49 mithridates [~mithridat@142.167.241.93] has joined #scheme 17:27:34 fds: It requires an explicit `eval', and will only do that automatically if it "looks like an expression" for some shady value of "looks like" 17:27:46 ASau [~user@95-24-140-223.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 17:28:22 eq? #\) car reverse string->list read-line, or something like that? 17:29:02 Daemmerung, why should i ignore it? 17:29:21 tab1ta: it will confuse you. 17:29:23 Daemmerung: I don't remember, but it was much more restrictive than that. Depends also on whether you have a sandbox etc. 17:29:24 Daemmerung: I think it's more like "try to read it, and if 'read' raises an exception, then it wasn't legit" 17:29:25 nice long time? 17:29:33 rudybot: list 17:29:33 eli: The basic idea is that when an object's reference count is decremented to a non-zero value, you stick it on a global list. 17:29:41 rudybot: init racket 17:29:41 eli: your sandbox is ready 17:29:43 rudybot: list 17:29:43 eli: ; Value: # 17:29:59 There -- different response. 17:30:05 i cannot really understan why it's not implemented in drscheme as well 17:30:06 tab1ta: my English is overly idiomatic at times. I apologize. 17:30:17 s/idiomatic/geeky 17:30:18 *offby1* whistles innocently 17:30:28 *Daemmerung* nods sadly 17:31:35 i know that you have to change variable types, sometime, at least it happened to me but i'm only at the first half of the manual 17:32:50 offby1: eli: I see. 17:33:13 i think no one here speaks like if it was a public presentation... 17:33:26 JoelMcCracken [~user@pool-71-182-171-80.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 17:34:46 *fds* speaks like this in public too, unbelievably. 17:35:15 I am often met with blank stares, mind. 17:35:26 zmv_ [~Telefonic@187.57.30.27] has joined #scheme 17:35:32 *Daemmerung* stares blankly, offby1 style 17:36:05 -!- JoelMcCracken [~user@pool-71-182-171-80.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:23 no i do not but when i stand too long time in front of the monitor then my public speaking attitude is affected for a while 17:36:31 JoelMcCracken [~user@pool-71-182-171-80.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has 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