00:00:53 okay thanks guys! 00:01:11 make sure you have #lang racket as your first line 00:01:46 will do. one last thing. is there a particular reason why drracket prints evals to expression without calling display but racket doesn't 00:01:55 the `display' is necessary only if you use 'load' 00:02:26 if you use racket /path/to/foo.rkt, you get the behavior that you desie 00:02:30 desire 00:02:38 oooo okay 00:04:14 basically, `load' is there for standards compliance, and for persons using the R5RS language. If you're using the full language, you have richer facilities. enter! require etc. 00:04:40 My turn to disappear now. 00:04:44 okay 00:04:47 thanks so much for your help 00:04:48 *Daemmerung* hands off the ball to offby1 00:04:52 Ciao. 00:04:57 bye 00:05:41 offby1: are there any hotkeys i can use while racket is running? 00:05:56 like scrolling through a history of commands, or autocompletion for filenames 00:08:02 bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-207-34.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:10:31 -!- Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:11:53 who here codes scheme in vi? 00:12:20 the crickets are because of paredit-mode for emacs 00:12:22 Only the sinners. 00:13:51 awwwww 00:14:16 no gosu vim schemers? =( 00:14:29 heh schemers. pun intended 00:15:59 no but seriously, i need some help >_____> 00:19:46 um, what do you need specifically ? 00:20:29 i had a colorscheme script working to highlight keywords when coding scheme in vi 00:20:32 20:20 < tzhuang> but i just upgraded to racket and obviously the script broke, what do you folks who use vi do to highlight your keywords 00:21:37 define "keyword" 00:22:08 say i (define PI 3.14) 00:22:14 i want define highlighted 00:22:25 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #scheme 00:24:53 or say i have ;; Consumes some number, input-number, and produces its square. 00:25:01 i want that light highlighted as a comment 00:25:10 -!- ijp [~user@host109-153-24-247.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:25:15 -!- Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:25:21 well i guess thse things are kind of trivial, but it'd but nice to have if it's not too hard to do in vim 00:26:46 what did you have for scheme and have you looked for other's work on this front already such as https://github.com/wlangstroth/vim-racket/blob/master/syntax/racket.vim ? 00:28:12 i had some thing that was really outdated that i dug from the depths of google 00:28:12 -!- pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-5f768c88.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:28:28 hang on im checking out your link 00:28:57 that is only part of a complete "racket mode" for vim 00:29:40 where in the code does it search for file extension 00:29:51 or rather how does vim know what mode to use when it opens a file 00:32:08 that's under ftdetect 00:32:35 just browse it yourself... https://github.com/wlangstroth/vim-racket 00:33:04 pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-5f769d4f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 00:33:37 sry i'm pretty knew to the linux enviroment 00:33:43 um whats ftdetect 00:34:20 never mind i see that its a folder lol 00:34:35 stands for "filetype detect" 00:35:07 is that convention for all vim projects? 00:35:17 also, are there explicit instructions for install anywhere? 00:38:56 yes, as far as I know. and no, these represent the heirarchy within your .vim folder 00:39:21 an install script would be trivial 00:47:44 why do you need one ? 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04:39:49 Yes. 04:42:01 I haven't seen jcowan for a couple days, and minion isn't around; so can someone remind him to use the Principle of Least Surprise when naming R7RS? 04:43:14 ERR5RS, for instance, was too cute; and might have contributed to its demise. 04:45:19 No minion, nor specbot, nor chandler for that matter. 04:49:02 he was here yesterday, so he's still around. 04:49:28 Ah. I assumed that the tripartite absence was significant. 04:49:43 Also, no lisppaste. 04:49:54 (I was refering to jcowan, not the others) 04:50:06 (Oh, I thought you meant chandler.) 04:52:07 ALMOST HAVE VIM-RACKET WORKING 04:52:25 this is pretty exciting stuff 04:53:54 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 04:56:39 -!- teurastaja [~Samuel@modemcable072.213-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: --> Put something intelligent here when I'm more bored <--] 04:57:03 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-171-188.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 05:01:58 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: [:|]] 05:02:51 aww indenting isnt working. ah well bedtime. nights 05:05:07 Works for me. 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Is it still the case or those problems were fixed meanwhile? 15:58:39 teurastaja [~Samuel@modemcable072.213-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 16:00:04 Paging wingo, wingo, please pick up the white courtesy phone 16:01:16 *wingo* was listening with amusement :) 16:01:58 (lambda (f) (lambda (x) (f x))) 16:03:04 what can you create with closure? 16:03:19 magic things i mean 16:03:23 not things i wouldve guessed 16:03:39 continuations? 16:03:48 how? 16:05:37 a continuation never returns to its caller. a closure binds its args 16:05:38 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 16:06:02 monqy [~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 16:06:08 how are they related? 16:06:48 wikipedia said closures could implement them 16:07:01 wikipedia was wrong 16:07:07 continuations are not functions. 16:07:11 *Daemmerung* gasps 16:07:11 then what implements closures? 16:07:42 theyre usually used as such no? 16:07:59 or are binded to one 16:08:05 enlight me 16:08:43 i took a few months break at learning scheme for learning new oses 16:09:00 HG` [~HG@p579F74AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 16:10:01 gentoo.... archlinux... lfs... and always more 16:10:10 teurastaja: http://www.cs.brown.edu/~sk/Publications/Books/ProgLangs/2007-04-26/ 16:10:52 tomppa [~tomppa@a91-155-210-159.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 16:10:58 I seem to remember perfesser eli having a nice write-up 16:11:50 -!- ohwow [~oh@www.nig.gs] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:12:33 nice! 16:13:06 im actually more advanced than i thought (3rd year university :P) 16:13:44 aha - http://pl.barzilay.org/lec27.txt 16:14:52 -!- mithridates [~mithridat@142.167.229.211] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:15:27 we need a dump for all these links to be browsed freely by free thinkers 16:15:40 carleastlund [~cce@gotham.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 16:16:24 daemmerung: which implementation do you use for web programming 16:16:25 ? 16:16:39 the dump is in the #topics header for this channel. Particular library.readscheme.org. 16:18:25 mithridates [~mithridat@142.167.229.211] has joined #scheme 16:18:36 it actually gets edited! 16:18:38 teurastaja: I use Empty-Set-Scheme, the implementation ideally suited to persons who do not do web programming, such as myself. 16:19:09 whats special with this one? 16:19:11 Seriously, readscheme.org is a treasure trove. You should loot it. 16:19:30 teurastaja: I am being opaque, sorry. I do not do web programming. 16:20:47 -!- mmc [~michal@salm-office-nat.tomtomgroup.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:20:52 i wrote a bash script to detect hardware on linux and im looking forward to translating that in scheme but i need an appropriate implementation 16:21:18 its simple it doesnt need much look 16:21:24 (hold on im typing) 16:23:38 Oh, yeah, I remember you from the other day. You are too worried about choosing the "right Scheme." Just pick one and start hacking. You are not making any sort of irrevocable investment, by doing so. Gauche or Guile, maybe Racket. 16:24:22 cat $(find /sys/devices/ -name modalias) 2>/dev/null | xargs -I{} modprobe -C/dev/null --show-depends {} 2>/dev/null | cut -d' ' -f2 | xargs -I{} basename {} .ko | sort -u 16:24:24 CHICKEN is also nice 16:25:21 ohwow [~oh@www.nig.gs] has joined #scheme 16:25:41 translating this should prove a good enough exercise 16:26:01 Any time somebody reccs Chicken, I reflexively answer Gambit (the bizarro Chicken. or is Chicken the bizarro Gambit?), but based on what he's said I think Gauche or Guile would be best. 16:26:26 i wrote it myself im so proud because its so useful 16:26:36 *leppie* suggests bash 16:26:56 Daemmerung: what do you like in Gambit? 16:27:48 Its architecture; its numerics. Plenty of things I dislike, too, but you asked what I like. 16:28:12 But I'm a Raketemensch at the moment, so no Gambit for me. 16:28:43 Wow. Gambit got ported to iPhone. 16:29:29 And Android, too. Which took me off the hook, because I felt that I had to get SISC working there. Discovered while doing so that I loathe Java too much to work in it willingly. 16:30:39 Daemmerung: why do you prefer Gambit over CHICKEN? 16:31:01 Its architecture; its numerics. 16:31:08 Hehe, ok. 16:31:34 (I assumed that that was your real first question, see.) 16:32:12 You know what I like about Chicken? That Felix actually implemented Cheney-on-the-MTA. Just went out and coded it up. 16:32:19 foof: will r7rs recommend an extension for files containing "module" forms? 16:32:22 Have to respect that. 16:32:30 Daemmerung: That's how we roll in Chicken. We hack shit up ;) 16:32:40 RESPECT 16:32:49 Respect2mypeeps 16:32:49 *Daemmerung* gives props 16:33:09 i'm sure we can figure out how to flash a lambda gang sign too 16:33:15 hehe 16:33:17 I respect Felix, becuase he's a cool guy. <-: 16:33:28 that, he sure is 16:34:11 eh reduces etas and doesn't afraid of anything 16:34:20 -!- misterncw [~misterncw@82.71.241.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:54 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@fsf/member/vu3rdd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:47:48 ffs [~garland@unaffiliated/ffs] has joined #scheme 16:58:37 nteon [~nteon@204.28.122.186] has joined #scheme 16:58:40 lambda crew sign?: (lambda (sign) (lambda (crew) (sign crew))) 17:02:44 It's hard to form parentheses with your fingers. 17:03:02 -!- ffs [~garland@unaffiliated/ffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:15 nope 17:03:19 At least, when keeping your hands, uhh, `front on'. 17:03:23 ffs [~garland@unaffiliated/ffs] has joined #scheme 17:03:34 So that you can form other characters between the parentheses. :-P 17:05:03 You can form "GREEK SMALL LETTER LAMDA" with thumb, index, middle fingers of left hand (flashing forward) 17:05:43 Looks kind of like you're being rude to somebody hovering over your right shoulder 17:06:40 & the right hand if you flip it over 17:06:41 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-186-174.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 17:06:55 sorta :) 17:07:20 *fds* wants photos. 17:07:38 Or diagrams. 17:12:13 z0d, I haven't used Guile in a while. It sounds to me as though wingo is doing a lot of good work on Guile these days. 17:12:27  - to form with right hand (flashing yourself - an existential statement), index finger forms the up-stroke, middle finger the leftmost downstroke, thumb the lower half of the right stroke, fingers 4 and 5 curled into palm. (this is the less rude variant). Form this with the left hand to flash somebody else. 17:15:04 -!- tab1ta [~tab1ta@host53-168-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: (cooked brain)] 17:15:31 Daemmerung, that's harder to pull off well than it should be. 17:15:59 Ain't disagreeing with you 17:17:54 -!- teurastaja [~Samuel@modemcable072.213-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: --> Put something intelligent here when I'm more bored <--] 17:25:26 -!- tomppa [~tomppa@a91-155-210-159.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:25:55 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:29:22 jewel [~jewel@196-209-224-145.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 17:31:24 teurastaja [~Samuel@modemcable072.213-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 17:32:13 -!- teurastaja [~Samuel@modemcable072.213-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 17:38:53 ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 17:38:59 -!- mithridates [~mithridat@142.167.229.211] 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