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03:55:50 > (vector-fold + 0 '#(1 2 3)) => 9 03:55:50 This happens when I call both the srfi-43 that comes with racket, and the reference implementation. is this a massive bug or is there something I'm missing? 03:58:05 http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-43/post-mail-archive/msg00006.html seems like a well documented bug that hasn't been squashed 03:59:44 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:01:37 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 04:04:59 http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-43/post-mail-archive/msg00006.html looks like quite an old bug 04:09:27 rudybot: (vector-fold + 0 '#(1 2 3)) 04:09:29 *offby1: your sandbox is ready 04:09:29 *offby1: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: vector-fold in module: 'program 04:09:41 rudybot: (require srfi/43) 04:09:41 *offby1: Done. 04:09:43 rudybot: (vector-fold + 0 '#(1 2 3)) 04:09:43 *offby1: ; Value: 9 04:10:00 *offby1* rubs chin 04:10:02 offby1: that bot is racket right? 04:10:12 I brought it up in the racket channel, one of the devs has confirmed 04:10:52 rudybot: (banner) 04:10:53 *offby1: ; Value: "Welcome to Racket v5.1.1.\n" 04:11:38 rudybot: (for/fold ([result 0]) ([x (in-vector #(1 2 3))]) (+ result x)) 04:11:39 *offby1: ; Value: 6 04:12:13 rudybot: (fold + 0 '(1 2 3)) 04:12:13 lewis1711: your sandbox is ready 04:12:14 lewis1711: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: fold in module: 'program 04:12:21 rudybot: (foldl + 0 '(1 2 3)) 04:12:22 lewis1711: ; Value: 6 04:14:36 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-207-34.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:17:46 parolang [~parolang@c-64-246-121-114.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #scheme 04:18:57 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 04:20:37 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@pool-68-161-137-73.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 04:21:13 -!- tupi [~david@189.60.162.202] has quit [Quit: 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PEBKAC. 12:10:23 vector-fold passes the procedure the index as well as the other arguments. 12:10:40 It's up to the procedure to ignore that index. i.e., passing straight + is going to give wrong results. 12:10:58 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 12:11:56 rudybot: (define (eatfirstarg func) (lambda (first . args) (apply func args))) 12:11:57 cky: your sandbox is ready 12:11:57 cky: Done. 12:12:05 rudybot: (require srfi/43) 12:12:05 cky: Done. 12:12:20 rudybot: (vector-fold (eatfirstarg +) 0 '#(1 2 3 4)) 12:12:20 cky: ; Value: 10 12:12:27 Oh look! It works! :-P 12:13:16 Maybe lewis1711 will look through the logs to find this. But it's unlikely. :-P 12:14:45 offby1: ^^-- Scratch your head no more. :-) 12:19:05 -!- alfa_y_omega [~alfa_y_om@90.166.231.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:20:56 alfa_y_omega [~alfa_y_om@90.166.231.220] has joined #scheme 12:24:44 -!- djcb [~djcb@nat/nokia/x-feueuhfhlteqfkoi] has left #scheme 12:27:58 -!- amoe [~amoe@cpc3-brig16-2-0-cust858.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:32:10 -!- pumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32:20 copumpkin [~pumpkin@gw1.mcgraw-hill.com] has joined #scheme 12:32:21 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@gw1.mcgraw-hill.com] has quit [Changing host] 12:32:21 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 12:42:56 -!- Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:49:04 masm [~masm@bl19-135-128.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 12:53:13 misterncw [~misterncw@82.71.241.25] has joined #scheme 12:56:14 Kajtek 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all I have to do is resuscitate minion 14:51:05 *wingo* stares blankly at shivers' "control flow analysis in scheme" 14:51:17 *offby1* wonders if he ever read that 14:51:25 probably not; sounds awfully technical 14:52:58 -!- Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-17-38.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:54:10 Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-17-38.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #scheme 15:10:21 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:14:17 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 15:14:37 offby1, wingo: i highly recommend it 15:15:47 bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-207-34.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:15:57 i just finished my first reading of it 15:16:58 i am a bit intimidated by *CFA but at least i know what it's for now 15:17:13 and why the traditional techniques do not apply 15:17:53 please resuscitate sorbet while you're at it 15:18:07 hum? :) 15:18:21 sarah-baht 15:18:27 regurgitate sorbet? that does not sound very pleasant 15:18:36 more so than other things perhaps 15:18:47 *wingo* googles 15:18:54 sorry, should have addressed that to offby1. 15:19:09 ah :) 15:19:28 And several butchers' aprons. 15:19:50 (or why I should read all of a buffer before blithely typing away) 15:22:01 Daemmerung: I wonder if sarahbot-nostalgia is a sufficient criterion for distinguishing between old- and new-school #scheme. 15:22:18 djcb [~djcb@a88-114-88-233.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 15:23:00 klutometis: you've found the shibboleth 15:23:07 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has left #scheme 15:23:10 It was a simpler, more innocent time. 15:23:12 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 15:23:49 When children respected their parents, everybody saluted the flag, and R6RS was well-loved and popular 15:24:48 Can I fast-forward to that time? 15:25:18 *Daemmerung* carefully avoids specifying which flag 15:25:36 -j 15:26:40 no one but americans and soldiers salute a flag :P 15:32:45 *offby1* ponders kids on his lawn 15:34:29 powders 15:40:53 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 15:41:33 between guile, gambit and gauche, which is most standards-compliant (dont care about posix) 15:41:35 ? 15:41:39 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c711b3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 15:42:04 which standards, and why does it matter? 15:42:09 they are all fine schemes 15:42:51 teurastaja: If you like standard, try Common Lisp instead. 15:43:32 well i want a scripting tool not too object-oriented but simple and straightforward 15:44:06 doesnt have to be one of these 3. im reading guile manuals but im still open 15:44:11 I use clisp to write my scripts. But scsh might be more convenient. 15:44:26 I love Gambit, but "scripting" is not its niche. 15:44:27 id use scsh anytime if it wasnt deprecated 15:44:44 whats gambits strength? 15:45:06 Its ability to compile to a stand-alone binary; numerics. 15:45:14 ok 15:45:27 integration with c, too, no? 15:45:39 Sure, but lots of Schemes have that. 15:45:47 not all have access to the preprocessor 15:45:56 bleah 15:46:01 :) 15:46:06 dont care about c if theres a shell i could probably use anything 15:46:43 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:46:45 wingo: yeah, Gambit is tight in that regard, though I would imagine Chicken is similar 15:48:10 c doesnt matter. il care about that when ill take a computing systems class 15:48:21 jewel [~jewel@196-209-224-145.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 15:48:48 i don't know very much about gauche, unfortunately 15:49:09 that is shiro kawai's scheme, no? 15:49:11 i want simplicity and usability for many things 15:49:16 he is very good 15:49:18 wingo: yes 15:51:29 i want access to os but not at the cost of c-like code and constructs 15:51:48 i dont need a full access 15:52:24 teurastaja: we're all hesitant to answer because we're associated with particular schemes ;) that's why getting a recommendation here is like pulling teeth. 15:52:40 all of the implementations you've mentioned are fine, and you could do well with any of them, imo... 15:53:06 but things like (parse (system "command")) or (program socket) should be available 15:53:40 its the only interactive place to get one i know of though 15:53:40 guile and gambit have the advantage of an irc presence 15:53:41 littlebobby [~bob@unaffiliated/littlebobby] has joined #scheme 15:54:05 gauche's feature set is certainly very rich 15:54:31 perhaps you should use gauche, then become its irc advocate. 15:54:31 if you dont know all schemes thats fine, just tell me which one(s) is/are most appropriate according to you 15:55:19 gauche is too feature rich. i dont want to carry the manual with me all the time 15:55:57 that is a funny criticism :) 15:56:14 funny but true 15:56:24 -!- mads- [~mar@pdpc/supporter/active/mads-] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:57:07 mmc [~michal@salm-office-nat.tomtomgroup.com] has joined #scheme 15:57:53 i want to use scheme so i can put the language in my head, juggle with it when i want, then write code in the bus or in a waiting room which do things which at least tcl can in its simplicity 15:58:17 note that some scheme implementations are more bloated than tcl! 15:58:37 monqy [~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 15:59:07 what does bloated mean? they have more features, or they are slower? 15:59:27 wingo: clearly: having more features than can be held in one's head. 15:59:37 *Daemmerung* laughs 15:59:51 basically, i dont want a language on top of scheme, just scheme and useful procedures 16:00:35 teurastaja: in any case, if you want to scheme in the bus and waiting rooms, your choices are limited to whatever is available on your PDA / phone / tablet. 16:00:43 that and its algorithmic power makes me shiver 16:01:07 On the iPad, you got only Pixie Scheme and Gambit Scheme. 16:01:22 Gambit is also available on Android. 16:01:39 pjb.... i use perl or bash or some scheme on a paper with a pen a lot of times 16:02:10 Pencil and paper are widely supported, but I have a hell of a time balancing parens 16:02:49 balancing parens? really? i indent code 16:03:46 On the other hand, if you're in a well connected place, you could just use a nice terminal and ssh to your home computer and use the scheme you use on your workstation. 16:07:14 itouch has...? 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I wonder when this will wear off 19:20:28 littlebobby, now I do the reverse. 19:20:34 DT``, haha 19:20:46 -!- zmv [~Telefonic@187.10.44.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:21:53 ysph [~user@adsl-98-89-19-237.mgm.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 19:22:11 littlebobby: Thankfully, all it takes is Ctrl-Left to fix that. 19:22:19 Uh, maybe Ctrl-Meta-Left. 19:22:37 Yep, Ctrl-Meta-Left. ;-) 19:23:15 -!- zmv_ [~Telefonic@187.10.44.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:25:22 zmv [~Telefonic@187.10.44.207] has joined #scheme 19:30:21 -!- zmv [~Telefonic@187.10.44.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:30:50 zmv [~Telefonic@187.10.44.207] has joined #scheme 19:35:02 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 19:35:11 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:35:31 that's bound by my window manager, what's the command-name? 19:39:00 Don't let your window manager take Control and Meta. That's evil! Give it Super or Hyper or Top or something. 19:39:25 The command to which cky alluded is `paredit-backward-slurp-sexp'. 19:40:52 Riastradh, thanks and yeah, will give emacs it's beloved meta back 19:48:16 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-194-117.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:48:36 littlebobby: I use Super-{Left, Right, Up, Down} to switch desktops. 19:48:53 littlebobby: Goes well with Super-L for locking my display. 19:49:16 cky, yeah, got all of that with ctrl-alt instead of super 19:49:20 I think mine is super_l + left|right|0-9 too 19:49:21 *cky* has no idea what Hyper corresponds to on a PC keyboard, though. 19:49:29 cky: Which WM do you use? Just out of interest. :-) 19:49:42 fds: Whichever one is default on KDE. ;-) 19:49:43 I have a similar super-key setup with Openbox. 19:49:48 Ah, I see. 19:49:55 -!- zmv [~Telefonic@187.10.44.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:50:52 KDE seems a bit big for me; I'd be scared to configure it. ;-) 19:51:04 :-O 19:51:20 zmv [~Telefonic@187.10.44.207] has joined #scheme 19:52:46 Openbox has just one XML file, which isn't quite s-expressions, but it's close enough for now. I should start using SCWM though, once I can get it to work... 19:53:46 Actually, it runs hack, else rogue, else hanoi. ;-) 19:54:06 Oops, wrong window. 19:56:03 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:56:26 f8l [~f8l@87-205-64-197.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #scheme 20:00:29 -!- zmv [~Telefonic@187.10.44.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:02:25 zmv [~Telefonic@187.10.44.207] has joined #scheme 20:06:01 cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.101.240] has joined #scheme 20:07:13 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 20:07:22 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:18:24 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 20:18:58 zmv_ [~Telefonic@187.10.44.207] has joined #scheme 20:21:16 -!- zmv [~Telefonic@187.10.44.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:29:47 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:30:24 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: superjudge] 20:37:28 -!- teurastaja [~Samuel@modemcable072.213-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: --> Put something intelligent here when I'm more bored <--] 20:37:36 zmv [~Telefonic@187.10.44.207] has joined #scheme 20:37:43 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-214-201.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 20:38:04 choas [~lars@p5792CCA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 20:41:24 -!- zmv_ [~Telefonic@187.10.44.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:50:46 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has left #scheme 21:01:53 ijp [~user@host109-153-24-247.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 21:02:00 -!- zmv [~Telefonic@187.10.44.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:02:53 teurastaja [~Samuel@modemcable072.213-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 21:02:56 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 21:05:49 oh, this is #scheme? haha 21:07:11 thought the whole time I was talking in #lisp. not so far off I suppose 21:09:20 littlebobby, would you have said different things in here 21:09:25 had you known that it was #scheme? 21:11:11 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c711b3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:11:21 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c711b3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 21:11:22 kilimanjaro, my definitions might have turned out more hygienic 21:11:58 *littlebobby* was amused by missing the channel but still being on-topic 21:12:14 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-214-201.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:33 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-209-224-145.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:14:45 Does alfa_y_omega ever speak in here? 21:15:32 Not that I remember, but I haven't paid much attention. 21:16:06 You'd definitely remember 21:17:09 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:17:39 zmv [~Telefonic@187.10.44.207] has joined #scheme 21:20:03 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:23:01 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-194-43.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 21:23:43 -!- zmv [~Telefonic@187.10.44.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:29:45 -!- mithridates [~mithridat@142.167.229.211] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:34:53 -!- ysph [~user@adsl-98-89-19-237.mgm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:36:28 -!- djcb [~djcb@a88-114-88-233.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:37:53 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 21:39:01 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@hoasnet-ff04dd00-56.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:39:55 -!- pandeiro [~pandeiro@187.105.251.85] has quit [Quit: Thanks, fellas] 21:40:47 peterhil [~peterhil@hoasnet-ff04dd00-56.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #scheme 21:42:24 -!- elliottcable is now known as elliottcable|zzz 21:42:34 -!- elliottcable|zzz is now known as elliottcable 21:48:37 pumpkin [~pumpkin@user-12hcrs5.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 21:48:37 -!- pumpkin [~pumpkin@user-12hcrs5.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Changing host] 21:48:37 pumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 21:51:03 djcb [~djcb@a88-114-88-233.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 21:51:23 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:51:45 -!- pumpkin is now known as copumpkin 21:52:02 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:51 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:57:38 -!- f8l [~f8l@87-205-64-197.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 22:00:18 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:00:46 -!- elliottcable is now known as elliottcable|zzz 22:05:15 turbofail [~user@c-107-3-149-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:05:39 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has left #scheme 22:09:19 -!- zanea [~zanea@219-89-165-210.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:09:57 zanea [~zanea@219-89-166-180.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 22:36:52 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:37:51 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 22:46:42 -!- choas [~lars@p5792CCA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:54:19 -!- elliottcable|zzz is now known as elliottcable 22:55:29 Daemmerung [~goetter@63.142.200.228] has joined #scheme 23:11:15 mejja [~user@c-0eb9e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 23:17:57 -!- elliottcable is now known as elliottcable|zzz 23:18:12 -!- elliottcable|zzz is now known as elliottcable 23:20:20 tzhuang [~tzhuang@72.53.83.36] has joined #scheme 23:21:35 DrDuck [~duck@adsl-98-81-129-72.hsv.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 23:22:05 hello, i'm new to mzscheme from using Dr.Racket, can any lend a ear to some beginner questions? 23:22:43 sure, ask away 23:22:48 you can ask in #racket too if you want 23:24:04 is there any difference between the mzscheme interpreter and the dr.racket interpreter that comes with the IDE 23:24:41 for the most part no. there are a handful of differences like drracket will add debugging stuff to your code before it runs it 23:24:50 but you won't notice such things unless you do sort of advanced things with macros 23:25:27 i probably won't be doint anything "advanced" for a while. our school teaches scheme 23:25:40 we're supposed to use the dr.racket IDE but im trying to learn vim 23:25:52 i wrote some vim bindings for drracket, but they aren't super mature 23:25:57 you can try them if you want 23:26:11 sure 23:26:32 http://planet.racket-lang.org/display.ss?package=vi.plt&owner=kazzmir 23:26:47 basically copy (require (planet kazzmir/vi:1:11/tool)) into the drracket interactions window and hit enter 23:26:49 then restart drracket 23:27:04 if the vi icon is green then its enabled, if you click it then it will turn red and be disabled 23:27:27 i haven't updated it in a while because i tend to work on the command line instead of inside drracket these days 23:28:16 hmm 23:28:26 hold up i need to clarify something first 23:28:43 normaly when you code in dr.racket, you put defitions in the definitons window 23:29:04 run it, then u can see it in the interactions window 23:29:14 or call functions there that you defined 23:29:22 so regarding mzscheme 23:30:03 1. i noticed that when i do (load "filename.ss") it doesnt display things coded in the file such as (+ 2 4) but functions defs are updated 23:30:32 you mean from the m zscheme repl you try to do (load ...) ? 23:30:37 yea 23:30:40 is that not the right way 23:30:59 the right way run your code i mean 23:31:08 it works for me 23:31:15 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:31:17 what version of mzscheme are you running? 23:31:21 i have 5.1.18 23:31:24 5.1.1.8 23:31:37 where actually the mzscheme executable has been renamed to 'racket' 23:32:19 hmm not too sure 23:32:27 well when you run mzscheme what does it say 23:32:29 i just did a sudo apt-get install plt-scheme 23:32:32 hang on 23:32:37 it should say something like 'welcome to plt scheme 4.1.2' 23:32:49 you can install version 5.1.1 from a ppa if you like 23:32:50 4.2.4 23:32:58 ppa? how do i do that 23:33:03 do you know if school mandates a specific version of plt? 23:33:04 sorry im pretty new to the unix enviroment 23:33:10 no it doesnt 23:33:24 we just download the latest verison of dr.scheme usually 23:33:26 errr 23:33:28 dr.racket 23:33:54 sudo apt-get install python-software-properties 23:34:17 sudo add-apt-repository ppa:plt/racket 23:34:20 sudo apt-get update 23:34:23 sudo apt-get install racket 23:34:44 that should install 5.1.1, then you can run 'racket' instead of mzscheme and 'drracket' instead of drscheme 23:36:03 okay there we go installing racket 23:36:33 so wait, is (load "filename.ss") not the right way to load your code? 23:37:02 well its sort of frowned upon in general,usually you should use (require "filename.ss") 23:37:13 and filename.ss should start with this line #lang racket 23:37:17 dnolen_ [~davidnole@pool-68-161-137-73.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:37:18 that makes it a module 23:37:38 of course you will run into other issues if you use require, because modules communicate with each other through the `provide' mechanism 23:37:46 if you dont feel like learning about it you can stick with `load' for now 23:38:12 Odditus [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #scheme 23:38:37 oookay that makes sense 23:38:45 okay how about say i require a file 23:39:01 then for whatever reason, i want to reload the session so that i don't have definitions from the file anymore 23:39:04 how can i do that? 23:39:20 you might be able to say (enter "filename.ss") 23:39:23 im not 100% sure 23:39:27 or you can just quit the repl and restart it 23:39:58 okay 23:40:02 oh its (enter! "p.ss") 23:40:25 what the difference between (enter! "p.ss") and (require "p.ss") 23:40:32 zanea_ [~zanea@210-86-94-154.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 23:41:13 ok now you are approaching the limits of my knowledge :p, require adds stuff to the current namespace and enter! will use the namespace of the module 23:41:15 http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/enter.html?q=enter%21#(form._((lib._racket/enter..rkt)._enter!)) 23:41:23 -!- dsp_ [~tt@acidlab.technoanimal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:41:36 -!- zanea [~zanea@219-89-166-180.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:42:05 -!- tupi__ [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:42:19 enter! is nice if you want to get access to a module when it doesn't normally provide an identifier 23:42:36 so if you hav ea module with (define x 5) but the module doesn't have (provide x) then if you require that module you can never get access to x 23:42:42 but if you use enter! then you can get access to x 23:42:50 dsp_ [~tt@acidlab.technoanimal.net] has joined #scheme 23:43:06 enter! is just for interactive development, require is what you use to actually build programs 23:44:19 anyway i gotta run, cya 23:49:51 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:51:19 -!- HG` [~HG@p579F7FB5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:51:50 -!- masm [~masm@bl19-135-128.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:52:50 nuuu dont go away 23:52:55 who else has time to help a noobie 23:54:59 Protocol here is to ask your question, then exercise patience. 23:55:42 (I'll be AFK in 5 mins, but somebody else will happe along.) 23:55:48 s/happe/happen 23:56:37 My apologies. I was just wondering if I had code to just run a few operations, whats the correct way to call it from racket. 23:57:04 require the module exporting the code, then call the exported procedures 23:57:22 caveat: it looks like you 23:57:43 re learning Scheme in school. Your teacher may have other expectations. 23:58:12 Hmm, I meant. Say if you were to make test.rkt with DrRacket, and in the code you have (+ 1 1) and (+ 2 2) 23:58:13 (expectations such as "Don't use PLT modules, use R5RS load.") 23:58:33 if you were to run it using DrRacket, the interaction panel prints: 2 4 23:58:59 Is there a equivalent of that running racket from cmd line 23:59:27 You need to display the return values explicitly. (display (+ 1 1)) etc 23:59:57 tzhuang: racket /path/to/some/file.scm