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However, the point has been raised that this is used in inconsistent ways by other implementations, and should be avoided. 03:53:12 -!- jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:53:44 collection 03:54:01 Andre van Tonder has proposed "scheme", defined as "an orderly combination of related parts". 03:54:26 That was another AvT proposal, but to me it suggests a runtime collection such as a list, array, or whatever. 03:54:41 He wrote: "Unit, component, package, structure, assembly, collection, container, aggregation, grouping." 03:54:58 But most of these are used in other ways either in Scheme or in CS generally. 03:55:17 r7rs-module 03:59:53 I'm (personally, now) trying to get rid of the name R7RS. 04:00:07 "namespace" is a possibility; I don't know if anyone uses it in Scheme. 04:00:08 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c711b3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 04:00:20 well it has some meaning in racket 04:00:23 Gambit uses `namespace' 04:00:38 Oh well. 04:01:00 there are only 3 problems in CS. naming things and off by 1 errors 04:01:12 Does r7 have a distinguishing token, like ? 04:01:27 Maybe that's #!r6rs 04:01:30 jcowan: Are you avoiding `package'? 04:02:37 Because I seem to remember that r6 needed that token in order to signify redefinitions from previous Schemes. Me, I have no problem with `module'. 04:03:00 Make it `nodule' if you must. 04:03:01 Yes, because of collision with CL. That would be less of a problem than collision with Schemes, though. 04:03:26 "Nodule?" Well, maybe. 04:03:32 Buboe, then 04:03:37 Pffffft. 04:04:42 *Daemmerung* is thinking, really 04:05:02 No, there is no distinguishing token at present. 04:05:33 I wrote: 04:05:35 "Unit, component, package, struct(ure) are used in Schemes/Lisps in other 04:05:35 ways. Collection and container suggest runtime objects. Assembly is 04:05:36 heavily overloaded, but might have been good if the CLR hadn't used it. 04:05:36 Aggregation suggests an accidental rather than intentional combination. 04:05:36 " 04:06:44 volume. 04:07:35 Chapter, section 04:07:58 (running w/ the library conceit) 04:10:12 jcowan: Sorry, why are you rethinking R7RS; and what should it become? 04:10:31 Because the name suggests that it is a successor to R6RS, which is not the case. 04:10:42 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c711b3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 04:10:45 I like the name "Scheme 2011", which does not look like the name of an implementation, nor is it a plausible version number. 04:12:00 Division 04:12:27 littlebobby [~bob@unaffiliated/littlebobby] has joined #scheme 04:12:39 Scheme 2011 1) sounds like "Space: 1999" and 2) would be embarrassing if it didn't finalize until 2012. 04:12:57 realitygrill [~realitygr@c-67-169-155-217.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:13:23 Okay, 201x to be updated. 04:14:06 Or just make sure that you don't start ratification until December 04:14:42 Otherwise, I like it well enough 04:15:34 Version numbers are eternal; years age badly, don't they? C 99, FORTRAN 77, ALGOL 68, etc. 04:16:09 What about that cute Knuthian trick of approaching an irrational? 04:16:46 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:17:19 e^2, maybe, which happens to be 7 and change. 04:17:50 2{pi} would be six point smallnum 04:18:07 Good call. 04:18:09 -!- DrDuck [~duck@adsl-98-81-129-72.hsv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:18:25 But certainly scheme-not-seven is better than just a smallnum increment 04:19:08 (I can't think of anything that's taken a year number as a name since the century rolled over. C99 is the last that I remember.) 04:19:21 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@c-67-169-155-217.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:19:24 Scheme 012? 04:19:46 nah, looks like, ugh, octal 04:21:28 djcb [~user@a88-114-88-233.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 04:22:22 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-23.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:24:29 Daemmerung: C++03. The new one is tentatively C++0x but will presumably be finalized as C++1x for some x. 04:25:11 And the next version of C will definitely be C1x. 04:25:53 Ah, I did not know that. "Scheme 12" does not feel right, though. 04:26:10 Too close to 4, 5, 6 in the series 04:26:44 Also, it's not so unlikely that a particular Scheme might reach version 12. 04:27:07 Hence explicitly Scheme 2012. 04:27:51 realitygrill [~realitygr@c-67-169-155-217.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:42:19 -!- penryu [~tanuki@unaffiliated/penryu] has left #scheme 04:43:26 penryu [~tanuki@unaffiliated/penryu] has joined #scheme 04:45:37 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:45:54 -!- tupi [~david@189.60.162.202] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:56:51 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-176-222.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 04:59:28 Too long to pronounce 05:00:08 Scheme twenty-twelve? Shorter than ar-seven-ar-ess. 05:00:49 There are other languages that may read "2012" differently 05:01:12 I think that the entire Revised, Revised, Revised joke is played out. Ready for a change. 2012 works for me. 05:01:31 scheme-zwoelf 05:02:39 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:02:48 We can just pronounce all seven R's together: Arrrrrrrgh, Scheme! 05:03:15 So how is Scheme pronounced in German: as "Skiem", as in English; or as written; or like Schema? 05:03:23 We'll delay the Sept. 9th release to Sept. 19 - International Talk Like a Pirate Day. 05:03:35 Sounds like a plan to me! 05:03:44 Scheme#, Scheme++ 05:03:48 How conniving of all of you. 05:04:30 A mighty maze, but not without a plan. 05:05:14 A man, a plan, a canal, Panama! 05:05:35 Schemehcs? ("Scheme X") 05:06:15 2012 in German takes fewer syllables that "R 7 R S." 05:06:56 But R7RS could be RLE'd better as R8S 05:07:13 A man, a plan, a caret, a ban, a myriad, a sum, a lac, a liar, a hoop, a pint, a catalpa, a gas, an oil, a bird, a yell, a vat, a caw, a pax, a wag, a tax, a nay, a ram, a cap, a yam, a gay, a tsar, a wall, a car, a luger, a ward, a bin, a woman, a vassal, a wolf, a tuna, a nit, a pall, a fret, a watt, a bay, a daub, a tan, a cab, a datum, a gall, a hat, a fag, a zap, a say, a jaw, a lay, a wet, a gallop, a tug, a trot, a trap, a 05:07:13 tram, a torr, a caper, a top, a tonk, a toll, a ball, a fair, a sax, a minim, a tenor, a bass, a passer, a capital, a rut, an amen, a ted, a cabal, a tang, a sun, an ass, a maw, a sag, a jam, a dam, a sub, a salt, 05:07:14 jcowan: I'd expect "schema," but will defer to a fullblooded German if one opines 05:07:20 n axon, a sail, an ad, a wadi, a radian, a room, a rood, a rip, a tad, a pariah, a revel, a reel, a reed, a pool, a plug, a pin, a peek, a parabola, a dog, a pat, a cud, a nu, a fan, a pal, a rum, a nod, an eta, a lag, an eel, a batik, a mug, a mot, a nap, a maxim, a mood, a leek, a grub, a gob, a gel, a drab, a citadel, a total, a cedar, a tap, a gag, a rat, a manor, a bar, a gal, a cola, a pap, a yaw, a tab, a raj, a gab, a nag 05:07:20 , a pagan, a bag, a jar, a bat, a way, a papa, a local, a gar, a baron, a mat, a rag, a gap, a tar, a decal, a tot, a led, a tic, a bard, a leg, a bog, a burg, a keel, a doom, a mix, a map, an atom, a gum, a kit, a baleen, a gala, a ten, a don, a mural, a pan, a faun, a ducat, a pagoda, a lob, a rap, a keep, a nip, a gulp, a loop, a deer, a leer, a lever, a hair, a pad, a tapir, a door, a moor, an aid, a raid, a wad, an alias, an 05:07:22 ox, an atlas, 05:07:29 a bus, a madam, a jag, a saw, a mass, an anus, a gnat, a lab, a cadet, an em, a natural, a tip, a caress, a pass, a baronet, a minimax, a sari, a fall, a ballot, a knot, a pot, a rep, a carrot, a mart, a part, a tort, a gut, a poll, a gateway, a law, a jay, a sap, a zag, a fat, a hall, a gamut, a dab, a can, a tabu, a day, a batt, a waterfall, a patina, a nut, a flow, a lass, a van, a mow, a nib, a draw, a regular, a call, a war 05:07:29 , a stay, a gam, a yap, a cam, a ray, an ax, a tag, a wax, a paw, a cat, a valley, a drib, a lion, a saga, a plat, a catnip, a pooh, a rail, a calamus, a dairyman, a bater, a canal  Panama! 05:07:48 Arrgh. 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