00:01:20 <teurastaja> theories...
00:01:39 <teurastaja> i need an implementation: perfekt-scheme
00:15:14 <teurastaja> what would it be like?
00:16:04 <cky> teurastaja: Google for: R6RS is "perfect"
00:16:16 <teurastaja> lol
00:16:29 <teurastaja> no need
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05:50:16 <pipsquak_bird> scheme v lua?
05:50:19 <pipsquak_bird> any opinions?
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05:55:42 <cky> pipsquak_bird: You're asking in #scheme. What kind of answer do you expect? :-P
05:56:15 <cky> pipsquak_bird: That's like asking in #clojure what people think of Clojure vs Scheme. You ain't gonna get any objective answers.
05:57:05 <pipsquak_bird> its the why that entertains
05:57:18 <cky> Heh.
05:57:20 <pipsquak_bird> adn enlightens
05:58:41 <pipsquak_bird> its the why mr anderson
05:58:44 <pipsquak_bird> purpose
05:59:23 <cky> Well, it seems like Lua doesn't have macros. That basically completely puts it out of the running, when you ask Schemers for a comparison.
06:01:12 <pipsquak_bird> ah
06:01:36 <pipsquak_bird> but what do macroes do? why so graet? and why does scheme macro nto as good as common lisp macro
06:01:50 <pipsquak_bird> ?
06:02:06 <cky> Scheme macros are awesomer than CL macros. What're you talking about? :-P
06:02:48 <pipsquak_bird> really?
06:02:59 <pipsquak_bird> then why did paul graham say they werent as powerful?
06:03:04 <cky> You're asking a Schemer, remember?
06:03:08 <cky> Paul Graham is a Lisper.
06:03:40 <cky> You will seldom get a Lisper to say Scheme macros are better than CL macros, any more than you will get a Schemer to say CL macros are better than Scheme macros.
06:04:52 <pipsquak_bird> ah
06:05:06 <pipsquak_bird> I did notice he made arc from a scheme not from say clisp
06:05:26 <cky> That's just the reference implementation. Arc isn't really based on Scheme as far as semantics go.
06:05:48 <pipsquak_bird> so if I want to be a kick butt programmer
06:05:58 <pipsquak_bird> scheme is a good tool
06:06:04 <Axioplase> pipsquak_bird: you learn a lisp dialect, any, and use it.
06:06:39 <Axioplase> And by "learn", I mean "use".
06:07:08 <pipsquak_bird> ah
06:07:43 <Axioplase> practice will enlight you.
06:08:10 <cky> Practice sets Axioplase alight.
06:08:30 <Axioplase> As well as reading code by others. Lisp blogs will often give you rather good practice habits.
06:09:33 <Axioplase> cky: When I practice lisp, I'm hot, full of luminous ideas.
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06:11:30 <pipsquak_bird> a jedi feels the force FLOWINg thu him
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06:14:42 <Axioplase> pipsquak_bird: anyway. Macros are a great tool for a lisper. You won't get the full idea of it if you don't use them.
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10:26:44 <Bahman> Hi all!
10:27:45 <wingo> morning
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10:29:23 <usa_no_1> duuudes
10:29:27 <usa_no_1> web site serving with scheme
10:29:31 <usa_no_1> anyone her edoing it?
10:31:05 <ohwow> Huh?
10:31:23 <ohwow> I don't understand you, friend
10:33:25 <usa_no_1> website programmed in scheme?
10:33:37 <usa_no_1> using perhaps spiffy sunet or racketserver
10:33:37 <usa_no_1> ?
10:33:58 <ohwow> well chicken official website is made in spiffy
10:34:08 <ohwow> racket's website is done in racket's webframework
10:36:19 <usa_no_1> of course
10:36:31 <usa_no_1> what about an e commerce or commercial site?
10:36:33 <usa_no_1> or blog?
10:36:36 <usa_no_1> or webmail?
10:36:39 <usa_no_1> wtC?
10:39:03 <ohwow> no idea
10:39:42 <ijp> usa_no_1: there isn't usually a big button saying "hey, we use scheme", so it's hard to say
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10:40:15 <usa_no_1> bummer
10:41:13 <usa_no_1> scheme seems pretty awesome
10:41:15 <usa_no_1> lisp!!
10:41:39 <ijp> A few I know off hand: wingo's blog http://wingolog.org/ and http://rotty.yi.org/irclogs/
10:42:40 <ijp> I think hacker news runs on Arc, which is/was based on Racket
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10:45:30 <ohwow> oh yeah, that one
10:45:33 <ohwow> hackr news
10:45:53 <usa_no_1> what is the guile web server?
10:45:56 <usa_no_1> link?
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10:46:02 <usa_no_1> I cant find on guile site...sofar
10:46:10 <pistacchio> hi
10:47:14 <pistacchio> how can i yield the values of a list? (for-each values '(1 2 3 4)) (or (for-each (lambda (x) (values x)) '(1 2 3))
10:47:17 <pistacchio> doesn't work
10:47:36 <pistacchio> i'm looking for '(1 2 3 4) -> 1 2 3 4
10:47:59 <rapacity> rudybot: (apply values '(1 2 3 4))
10:48:00 <rudybot> rapacity: ; Value: 1
10:48:01 <rudybot> rapacity: ; Value#2: 2
10:48:02 <rudybot> rapacity: ; Value#3: 3
10:48:03 <rudybot> rapacity: ; Value#4: 4
10:48:04 <ohwow> rudybot: (apply values lst)
10:48:05 <rudybot> ohwow: your sandbox is ready
10:48:05 <rudybot> ohwow: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: lst in module: 'program
10:48:10 <ohwow> uh
10:48:13 <ohwow> beaten
10:48:33 <pistacchio> in order to feed printf with the separate values from a list
10:50:29 <pistacchio> (apply printf "~a - ~a - ~a - ~a\n" '(1 2 3 4))
10:50:32 <pistacchio> perfect
10:50:34 <pistacchio> thanks :
10:50:35 <pistacchio> :D
10:51:01 <wingo> usa_no_1: http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Web.html#Web
10:53:47 <usa_no_1> http://www.nongnu.org/guile-www/ hmmmmm
10:53:55 <usa_no_1> ah
10:53:56 <usa_no_1> hm
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15:49:09 *offby1* wonders why rudybot spewed output for ohwow
15:49:56 <offby1> rudybot: (apply (curry format "~a") (list 1 2 3 4))
15:49:57 <rudybot> *offby1: your sandbox is ready
15:49:57 <rudybot> *offby1: error: format: format string requires 1 arguments, given 4; arguments were: "~a" 1 2 3 4
15:50:03 <offby1> rudybot: (map (curry format "~a") (list 1 2 3 4))
15:50:04 <rudybot> *offby1: ; Value: ("1" "2" "3" "4")
15:50:10 <offby1> rudybot: (apply string-join (map (curry format "~a") (list 1 2 3 4)) " - ")
15:50:11 <rudybot> *offby1: error: apply: expects type <proper list> as 3rd argument, given: " - "; other arguments were: #<procedure:string-join> ("1" "2" "3" "4")
15:50:17 <offby1> rudybot: ( string-join (map (curry format "~a") (list 1 2 3 4)) " - ")
15:50:17 <rudybot> *offby1: ; Value: "1 - 2 - 3 - 4"
15:50:21 <offby1> cleaner IMHO
15:51:15 <offby1> my way, you don't have to manually coordinate the format string with the length of the list.
15:51:18 *offby1* sniffs haughtily
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16:10:15 <ohwow> offby1: huh
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16:17:08 <ohwow> offby1: why shouldn't it have spewed the output for me?
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16:52:17 *mejja* ...
16:53:09 *mejja* slaps offby1
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17:24:12 <offby1> rudybot: seen mejja
17:24:12 <rudybot> *offby1: mejja was seen in/on #scheme thirty-one minutes ago, saying "ACTION slaps offby1", and then mejja was seen quitting in/on c-0eb9e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se twenty-four minutes ago, saying "Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0.1/20110413222027]"
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