00:05:14 -!- zmv [~daniel@c9533906.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:06:47 I plonked Eli because I was sick of hearing from him, which is why anybody plonks anybody. 00:07:20 And I didn't think he was attacking the group, I thought he was attacking *me*, which is why I was sick of hearing from him. 00:07:44 Which is all I have to say about all that. 00:07:49 -!- jcowan [c6b912cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.185.18.207] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:08:51 Hooray! Politicking! There wasn't enough of that yet in the process. 00:11:46 Riastradh: it is unclear to me what the point of this process is 00:12:49 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:13:21 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:28:49 -!- masm [~masm@bl19-154-246.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:33:14 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-177-118.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 00:47:02 -!- samth [~samth@soenat3.cse.ucsc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:47:27 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:47:35 dnolen_ [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme 00:50:01 ijp [~user@host86-148-151-152.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 00:51:02 pjb` [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #scheme 00:52:06 sstrickl [~sstrickl@c-71-192-163-167.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:53:41 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:54:57 -!- dnolen_ [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen_] 00:55:33 pjb`` [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #scheme 00:55:40 -!- pjb` [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:58:10 cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 01:01:51 bokr [~eduska@109.110.57.143] has joined #scheme 01:07:53 -!- ckrailo [~ckrailo@208.86.167.249] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 01:15:50 MengZhang [~MengZhang@222.66.175.242] has joined #scheme 01:18:22 -!- mmc1 [~michal@82-148-210-75.fiber.unet.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:20:59 -!- leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:22:41 MengZhang pasted "Meta-circular interpreter with syntactic closure" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/122272 01:23:10 Is this a proper way to implement syntactic closure in an interpreter? 01:25:36 link: http://paste.lisp.org/display/122272 01:27:30 copumpkin [~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 01:27:30 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 01:27:30 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 01:28:05 gremset [ubuntu@117.192.111.120] has joined #scheme 01:29:05 -!- gremset_ [ubuntu@117.192.104.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:48:10 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme 01:50:09 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-67-186-255-54.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:51:16 -!- blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:57:24 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 02:01:09 -!- MengZhang [~MengZhang@222.66.175.242] has quit [] 02:01:34 MengZhang [~MengZhang@222.66.175.242] has joined #scheme 02:09:09 -!- elliottcable is now known as ec|irssi 02:15:49 foof: Very close to what Sam said; as much as I'd like to ignore it, it'd make me very sad to see Scheme stepping back. I think that there's lots of good people hovering around it, and a collective slap would be shameful. 02:19:43 realitygrill [~realitygr@pool-72-81-233-108.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 02:23:50 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c711b3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:31:50 -!- ec|irssi is now known as ec|detached 02:46:26 -!- pjb`` is now known as pjb 03:02:44 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-61.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:10:32 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has left #scheme 03:15:18 -!- aisa [~aisa@c-68-35-164-105.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: aisa] 03:15:38 Bahman [~Bahman@2.146.18.135] has joined #scheme 03:16:48 Hi all! 03:18:13 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 03:29:17 -!- ec|detached is now known as ec|irssi 03:29:36 -!- ec|irssi is now known as ec|detached 03:30:22 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 03:32:08 w 2 03:32:11 fail 03:33:59 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06:41:04 jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-69.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 06:43:45 minsa [~minsa@c-24-5-121-157.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:45:39 ToxicFrog [~ToxicFrog@24-246-40-169.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 06:50:10 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-177-118.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:50:45 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-177-118.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 06:56:44 Sorry for asking this again, 06:56:47 01:23:10 Is this a proper way to implement syntactic closure in an interpreter? 06:56:47 01:25:36 link: http://paste.lisp.org/display/122272 06:57:01 OneBraveHog [~nana@pool-72-95-252-44.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 06:57:52 closure is a function + it's environment 06:59:11 Here syntactic closure refer to an implementation of hygiene macro. 06:59:33 a 06:59:35 sry 07:00:24 :) 07:03:09 I'd better to post it in lang.scheme I guess... 07:17:10 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-69.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] 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very new to scheme, but I'm working through Htdp and just had one of those 'aha' moments. had to share 08:29:41 misterncw [~misterncw@82.71.241.25] has joined #scheme 08:43:32 -!- MengZhang [~MengZhang@222.66.175.242] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:46:24 qizwiz: which particular "aha!" moment? 08:54:00 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:59:29 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.114.39.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:03:05 masm [~masm@bl19-154-246.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 09:03:13 -!- monqy [~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hello] 09:11:27 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.140.39] has joined #scheme 09:11:40 bokr1 [~eduska@109.110.54.237] has joined #scheme 09:11:41 -!- bokr [~eduska@109.110.57.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:12:32 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:12:44 kandinski: I apologize. still working through the book. Realizing the magic of composing functions. 09:12:49 seeing this 09:12:51 alaricsp [~alaric@geniedb.hotdesktop.biz] has joined #scheme 09:12:53 (define (yards->cm yards) 09:12:53 (feet->cm (yards->feet yards))) 09:12:58 copumpkin [~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 09:12:58 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 09:12:58 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 09:13:44 and realizing all the functions were atomic and there were no messy constants hanging around. 09:15:57 SmartViking [~smartviki@ti0069a380-dhcp0827.bb.online.no] has joined #scheme 09:16:13 -!- SmartViking is now known as Guest99811 09:17:27 -!- Guest99811 is now known as Justin-Case 09:17:31 -!- Justin-Case [~smartviki@ti0069a380-dhcp0827.bb.online.no] has quit [Changing host] 09:17:31 Justin-Case [~smartviki@unaffiliated/smartviking] has joined #scheme 09:17:57 xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-afaqvporxkailnhi] has joined #scheme 09:17:59 -!- xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-afaqvporxkailnhi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:18:32 xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-zhewxunuhpfseocw] has joined #scheme 09:18:51 -!- xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-zhewxunuhpfseocw] has left #scheme 09:21:18 ssbr: several R6 match libraries linked in this thread: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.scheme/browse_thread/thread/73658b5a1c8b81fb/ 09:21:19 http://tinyurl.com/3c9xrv4 09:28:11 qizwiz: I am new too, and these things still fill me with awe 09:38:21 qizwiz: that function you pasted could be written effectively unchanged in many programming languages..., nothing schemy about it AFAICT. 09:42:30 -!- tessier_ [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:43:15 tessier [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has joined #scheme 09:49:42 -!- Bahman [~Bahman@2.146.18.135] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:51:06 hkBst if it's the first time you use a functional not-statically-typed language, it's still mind-expanding 09:51:45 skld [~skld@unaffiliated/skld] has joined #scheme 09:51:57 chittoor [~chittoor@61.74.90.125] has joined #scheme 09:52:13 -!- skld [~skld@unaffiliated/skld] has left #scheme 09:56:37 qizwiz: even better: you can write (define (compose f g) ...) that will compose f and g for you. 10:00:23 (it's tricky in fact. You have to consider the case where g will take *several* arguments, for example) 10:01:54 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:09:40 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 10:19:26 atomx` [~user@86.35.150.23] has joined #scheme 10:20:57 -!- atomx [~user@86.35.150.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:23:36 stis [~stis@host-90-235-96-232.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #scheme 10:37:18 skeptical_p [~rononovsk@109.66.185.206] has joined #scheme 10:42:16 -!- skeptical_p [~rononovsk@109.66.185.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:49:33 -!- stis [~stis@host-90-235-96-232.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:49:37 stis_ [~stis@host-90-235-144-247.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #scheme 10:51:16 -!- Modius_ [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: "Object-oriented design" is an oxymoron] 10:51:39 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 10:57:29 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@fsf/member/vu3rdd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:58:40 -!- stis_ [~stis@host-90-235-144-247.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:04:39 -!- mario-go` is now known as mario-goulart 11:08:03 markymark [~markymark@unaffiliated/markymark] has joined #scheme 11:13:17 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 11:21:01 Axioplase: A _general_ compose has to handle multiple functions in the chain, each of which can return multiple values. 11:22:49 In the wild, I see more n-ary functions with a single output, so I didn't suggest he goes that far. 11:23:17 (And such a thing was discussed a couple of days on the scheme-reports ML, iirc) 11:23:24 But, yes, of course. 11:28:17 I'm curious about the efficacity of such a function. Can a good interpreter/compiler optimize it? (given a strict enough context, without eval and everything that breaks static analysis) 11:28:42 c-w-v and two APPLY's, that's ugly 11:37:06 two applys? isn't it one call/values, one apply, two lambdas and one foldr? 11:42:05 hum 11:43:00 rudybot: eval (define (compose f g) (lambda x (call-with-values (lambda () (apply g x)) (lambda x (apply f x))))) 11:43:00 Axioplase: your sandbox is ready 11:43:01 Axioplase: Done. 11:43:36 rudybot: eval ((compose (lambda (x y) (+ x y)) (lambda (x) (values x x))))) 11:43:36 Axioplase: error: eval:1:60: read: unexpected `)' 11:43:53 rudybot: eval ((compose (lambda (x y) (+ x y)) (lambda (x) (values x x))) 1 2) 11:43:53 Axioplase: error: #: expects 1 argument, given 2: 1 2 11:43:59 rhaa :) 11:44:20 rudybot, (define (compose . fs) (foldr (lambda (f g) (lambda xs (call-with-values (lambda () (apply g xs)) f))) values fs)) 11:44:21 DT``: Done. 11:44:52 rudybot, ((compose + (lambda (x) (values x x)) 1) 11:44:53 DT``: I have a very similar problem with the arguments to `compose' - probably for the same reason. 11:45:12 I know that feel, rudybot. 11:45:25 rudybot, ((compose + (lambda (x) (values x x))) 1) 11:45:25 DT``: ; Value: 2 11:46:20 -!- Justin-Case is now known as SmartViking 11:56:14 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:56:41 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 11:59:01 -!- minsa [~minsa@c-24-5-121-157.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:07:06 gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable004.1-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 12:12:33 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:12:41 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.140.39] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 12:14:47 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-61.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 12:16:01 MengZhang [~MengZhang@222.69.214.107] has joined #scheme 12:30:16 slom [~sloma@port-87-234-239-162.static.qsc.de] has joined #scheme 12:35:42 -!- chittoor [~chittoor@61.74.90.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:39:44 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 12:40:01 -!- gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable004.1-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:42:28 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-168-88.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:43:58 leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has joined #scheme 12:49:44 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-225.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 12:51:01 tupi [~david@189.60.161.65] has joined #scheme 12:55:42 -!- ijp [~user@host86-148-151-152.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has left #scheme 12:56:47 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 12:57:40 Modius_ [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 12:58:41 http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.scheme/browse_thread/thread/a96c764f22d712bd 12:58:41 http://tinyurl.com/3feaxko 12:59:42 foof: I'm surprised your announcement didn't mention the multiple-values continuation thing, given all the recent kerfuffle. ;-) 13:00:04 foof: Anyway, congrats on the release! 13:00:21 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:01:12 Meh, a one-line tweak for a border case of debatable semantics for a feature I deeply despise doesn't merit any mention :P 13:01:20 ;-) 13:02:01 congrats! 13:02:18 Going to update the iphone REPL to 0.4 13:02:37 Great! I still need to put that on my phone :) 13:04:57 It'll give me something to do on the train. 13:06:39 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.167.212.176] has joined #scheme 13:06:39 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.167.212.176] has quit [Changing host] 13:06:39 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@fsf/member/vu3rdd] has joined #scheme 13:12:15 foof: just wondering what feature should be added to the iPhone REPL 13:12:23 foof: any suggestion? 13:12:25 -!- markymark [~markymark@unaffiliated/markymark] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:12:43 smart completion 13:14:16 hmm, that should be easy based on keyword or snippet 13:14:27 -!- EbiDK [511bd602@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.27.214.2] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:14:46 also paredit 13:17:44 -!- slom [~sloma@port-87-234-239-162.static.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:20:12 chittoor [~chittoor@175.193.155.253] has joined #scheme 13:24:19 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme 13:28:18 foof: did you see the talk about dalvik's trace jit? 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17:28:43 eli: Part of that is because you do come across rather aggressively yourself, to begin with, which tends to cause people to respond aggressively in turn... It just becomes a feedback loop, and whoever "started it" becomes lost in the mists of history (and is irrelevant anyway) 17:29:23 eli: I'm really sorry people are being aggressive and accusatory to you, but the best thing to stop it now is if everyone leaves the past behind and moves on 17:29:43 Sadly, it doesn't take many people carrying many lingering grudges to dredge it all up again... that's human nature 17:29:52 Matt Flatt looks like some party guy 17:30:12 So we ALL need to try and put it behind us and be friendly, and turn the other cheek when people are dickheads 17:30:39 bugQ [~bug@c-67-186-255-54.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:30:55 ohwow: Really? Do you have embarrassing photos of him in compromising situations? 17:31:06 heh no 17:31:10 Damn 17:31:12 Photoshop? 17:31:34 Gnu Image Manipulation Programm 17:31:58 jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-69.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 17:32:04 DO IT 17:35:12 Extra irony for making use of Scheme script-fu in doing so 17:37:57 heh 17:42:40 minsa [~minsa@c-24-5-121-157.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:43:07 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 17:56:46 -!- tessier [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has quit [Changing host] 17:56:46 tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has joined #scheme 17:58:33 -!- zanea [~zanea@219-89-166-122.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:58:51 alaricsp: The aggressiveness is motivated solely by the techincal aspects, clarifying them is my only goal. Whether "I get sick of hearing from jcowan" is a personal issue that I will not allow to get in the way of the technical discussion. 17:59:04 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 17:59:17 The fact that he did (in the form of refusing to answer the technical question) is unfortunate. 17:59:43 Same goes for foof's attempt to "resolve" this by (semi-)kicking people out as hecklers. 18:00:29 zanea [~zanea@219-89-167-252.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 18:01:41 Yes 18:02:05 But don't let it all get to you, as being narky at people will make them narky / narkier at you 18:02:30 Let it be like water off a duck's back (or some more applicable metaphor about cons cells off of a gc's sweep phase ;-) 18:03:27 People are easil distracted from answering the techincal questions if they're tired and angry, as it makes it harder to think properly... 18:04:34 I don't know exactly what case you're referring to (I'm a bit behind on email again), though 18:05:20 I don't think foof was really trying to kick out hecklers, just telling them not to heckle as it doesn't help anything 18:05:21 carleastlund [~cce@gotham.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 18:10:06 f8l [~f8l@213-238-105-249.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #scheme 18:10:19 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 18:12:30 alaricsp: I completely agree with that -- it's why I didn't do any plonking. (Which would definitely be an easy way out.) 18:13:19 eli the unflappable 18:13:23 Good 18:15:37 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has left #scheme 18:16:36 -!- tupi [~david@189.60.161.65] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:17:48 -!- alaricsp [~alaric@geniedb.hotdesktop.biz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:28:43 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:30:26 stchang [~stchang@login.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 18:30:27 asumu [~at@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 18:30:28 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 18:47:38 funny how the chibi mv bug rears its head again, I was under the impression it would be fixed when it was pointed out in 2009 18:47:38 http://lists.r6rs.org/pipermail/r6rs-discuss/2009-September/004795.html 18:49:05 tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has joined #scheme 18:52:12 HG`` [~HG@p579F7F7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:54:56 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:55:59 -!- HG` [~HG@p579F7151.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:59:03 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@fsf/member/vu3rdd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:40 -!- Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:05:22 sloyd: (Ah, I was sure that I saw it elsewhere but didn't find it.) 19:10:30 stis [~stis@host-90-235-19-92.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #scheme 19:12:37 copumpkin [~pumpkin@17.45.135.90] has joined #scheme 19:12:37 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@17.45.135.90] has quit [Changing host] 19:12:37 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 19:24:28 gc's sweep phase == geese's tail feather 19:37:51 choas [~lars@p578F6E45.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:40:06 -!- masm [~masm@bl19-154-246.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:42:19 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-69.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:46:33 -!- HG`` [~HG@p579F7F7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:49:06 zanes [~zane@wall.tripitinc.com] has joined #scheme 19:59:28 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: superjudge] 20:00:40 dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has joined #scheme 20:03:26 -!- gremset [ubuntu@117.192.110.83] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 20:03:43 gremset [ubuntu@117.192.110.83] has joined #scheme 20:11:43 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 20:16:32 djcb [~user@a88-112-253-18.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 20:17:07 -!- tonyg [~tonyg@navarone.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:17:23 tonyg [~tonyg@navarone.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 20:21:26 -!- ymasory [~ymasory@128.91.39.26] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:48 -!- stis [~stis@host-90-235-19-92.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:25:43 -!- atomx` [~user@86.35.150.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:25:52 -!- tonyg [~tonyg@navarone.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:26:04 tonyg [~tonyg@navarone.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 20:35:23 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-67-186-255-54.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:36:47 -!- copumpkin is now known as Philippa_ 20:36:51 -!- Philippa_ is now known as copumpkin 20:38:43 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:39:32 jcowan [c6b912cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.185.18.207] has joined #scheme 20:40:15 hoi 20:40:41 what ho 20:41:14 And ho what. 20:46:37 *jcowan* looks up gee-ho, hey-ho, oho, so-ho, wo-ho, and yo-ho. 20:47:13 ymasory [~ymasory@mkb050.apn.wireless-pennnet.upenn.edu] has joined #scheme 20:47:29 And kite-ho! 20:51:49 The OED is not helpful on that one. Does it mean the same sort of thing as "Sail ho!" 20:52:07 "The Big Bang Theory" reference. 20:54:05 -!- shardz [~samuel@ilo.staticfree.info] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54:11 Season 3, Episode 6: The Cornhusker Vortex 20:59:35 EarlGray [~dmytrish@inherent.puzzler.volia.net] has joined #scheme 21:02:16 that sounds dangerous 21:02:49 -!- minsa [~minsa@c-24-5-121-157.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:13:53 pjb` [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #scheme 21:15:25 -!- Nisstyre [~nisstyre@109.74.204.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:18:34 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:20:39 -!- ymasory [~ymasory@mkb050.apn.wireless-pennnet.upenn.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:22:33 -!- leo2007 [~leo@th041145.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 21:24:09 -!- choas [~lars@p578F6E45.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:24:59 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 21:25:38 -!- f8l [~f8l@213-238-105-249.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 21:40:08 -!- djcb [~user@a88-112-253-18.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:41:22 Another one of the big-company-pathologies is "dude-brushing-his-teeth-in-a-public-bathroom" thing; has anyone noticed that? I suppose that's endemic to airports, too; maybe public in general. Hmm. 21:42:48 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:43:28 gremset_ [ubuntu@117.192.96.131] has joined #scheme 21:44:56 geez, I used to do that, and my company was small 21:45:01 gotta brush _somewhere_ 21:45:32 granted, I always preferred the "handicapped" bathroom, because it was cleaner, newer, and private (holds just one person, and you can lock the door) 21:47:44 -!- gremset [ubuntu@117.192.110.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:49:51 offby1: Heh; maybe you're right. The possibility of cross-contamination seemed great enough to deter me, for some reason. 21:52:33 masm [~masm@2.80.154.246] has joined #scheme 21:53:39 -!- homie [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-171-87.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:53:57 I think tooth-brushing is about as disgusting as other things normally done in a bathroom 21:55:19 -!- DT`` [~Feeock@net-93-149-55-210.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:55:27 -!- aisa [~aisa@173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: aisa] 22:00:24 -!- gremset_ [ubuntu@117.192.96.131] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 22:00:42 gremset [ubuntu@117.192.96.131] has joined #scheme 22:01:31 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:01:52 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 22:09:48 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 22:10:13 -!- pjb` is now known as pjb 22:10:25 -!- Modius_ [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: "Object-oriented design" is an oxymoron] 22:11:04 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:20:33 Does begin preserve top-levelness of the forms? I have a macro that I would want to expand to several define forms, can I wrap them safely and portably in a begin form? 22:20:47 (in r5rs). 22:21:32 im 90% sure the answer is yes 22:21:45 That's what I had so far... 22:22:54 -!- jcowan [c6b912cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.185.18.207] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:27:41 ``At the top level of a program (begin ...) is equivalent to the sequence of expressions, definitions, and syntax definitions that form the body of the begin.'' 22:28:47 pjb: last sentence of 5.1 22:32:28 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-225.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:32:48 pjb: That's exactly what I do with my macros-cum-multiple-defines; haven't had a problem yet (anecdotal). 22:33:10 Maybe sloyd proved it axiomatically. 22:35:26 -!- bweaver [~user@host-68-169-175-225.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:35:37 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 22:38:08 sloyd: thanks, I overlloed it. 22:38:09 -!- pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has left #scheme 22:38:20 s/lloed/looked/ 22:38:29 silly fingers. 22:52:44 -!- rdd [~user@c83-250-52-16.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53:24 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme 22:59:58 shardz [~samuel@ilo.staticfree.info] has joined #scheme 23:04:39 -!- asumu [~at@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:06:15 -!- carleastlund [~cce@gotham.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: carleastlund] 23:14:40 -!- ckrailo [~ckrailo@208.86.167.249] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:17:18 ckrailo [~ckrailo@208.86.167.249] has joined #scheme 23:28:16 -!- chittoor [~chittoor@175.193.155.253] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:32:41 -!- samth [~samth@soenat3.cse.ucsc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:37:05 pdlogan [~patrick@c-76-27-203-101.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme