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I don't know *how* I move my fingers to type, either. "I think, therefore I have no access to the level where I sum." 02:58:00 [Insert centipede poem here] 03:03:19 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has left #scheme 03:04:25 How does he make his fingers do that? And who is he talking to? 03:04:46 How do I make my voice do this? 03:05:20 (and, of course, "How had she gotten herself involved with that slimy weasel Rococo?") 03:08:50 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:09:13 cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 03:19:06 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-61.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:25:53 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:27:45 any one tried gieser for emacs scheme integration 03:28:06 is it bettern than cmuscheme.el? 03:29:10 yep and yep 03:29:14 it's surprisingly slick. 03:29:26 I strongly recommend it. Strongly, I say! 03:29:30 However! 03:29:35 as far as I know it only works with guile and racket 03:29:51 -!- poindontcare [~user@cloudbovina.bovinasancta.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:30:05 poindont` [~user@cloudbovina.bovinasancta.com] has joined #scheme 03:30:12 ah got disconnected 03:31:30 did yew now 03:32:05 OK, I said: yep and yep / it's surprisingly slick. / I strongly recommend it. Strongly, I say! / However! / as far as I know it only works with guile and racket 03:32:38 offby1: guile is what I am trying so will be perfect 03:32:51 also, jao (the author) is a cool guy. 03:33:13 how cool? 03:33:39 I dunno, offby1. He doesn't hang out here very much these days. How cool could he be? 03:33:51 *offby1* was about to extol the coolnes of jao, but now ... 03:33:54 coolness 03:34:12 haha thanks :) 03:36:05 jcowan_ [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:37:39 -!- masm [~masm@bl16-183-132.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:37:55 -!- pearle [~pearle@blk-224-181-222.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:39:11 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:39:50 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:40:49 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 03:41:39 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:42:12 masm [~masm@bl16-183-132.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 03:52:16 bokr [~eduska@109.110.34.169] has joined #scheme 03:55:27 -!- masm [~masm@bl16-183-132.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:56:00 -!- jcowan_ is now known as jcowan 03:57:17 -!- gremset_ is now known as gremset 04:00:38 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 04:06:28 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 04:13:00 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 04:20:29 -!- eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:25:53 -!- copumpkin is now known as gropaga 04:30:20 eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 04:30:55 rramsden [~rramsden@173.180.120.249] has joined #scheme 04:33:05 -!- zanea [~zanea@219-89-168-18.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:34:38 zanea [~zanea@219-89-176-78.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 04:38:16 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 04:40:51 -!- elliottcable is now known as ec|detached 04:41:41 -!- ec|detached is now known as elliottcable 04:44:59 nteon [~nteon@c-98-210-195-105.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:45:52 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:46:49 -!- Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:11:49 -!- gropaga is now known as copumpkin 05:13:00 -!- rins [~user@173-162-214-174-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:20:06 -!- ymasory [~ymasory@c-76-99-55-224.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:28:06 aking [~aking@67.23.13.119] has joined #scheme 05:29:40 -!- aking [~aking@67.23.13.119] has quit [Client Quit] 05:50:14 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-211-119.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 05:57:18 nome [~user@c-76-120-244-110.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:07:56 mmc [~michal@82-148-210-75.fiber.unet.nl] has joined #scheme 06:09:46 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:11:26 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.228.112] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:11:52 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.228.112] has joined #scheme 06:12:03 rins [~user@173-162-214-174-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 06:13:53 sstrickl [~sstrickl@c-71-192-163-167.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:16:15 kephas [pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-28-129.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 06:19:02 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-175-206.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 06:22:28 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.228.112] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:22:31 -!- mmc [~michal@82-148-210-75.fiber.unet.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:22:50 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.228.112] has joined #scheme 06:34:28 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@76.226.127.107] has joined #scheme 06:35:22 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.228.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:35:22 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 06:35:37 MCMic [~mcmic@pdpc/supporter/student/mcmic] has joined #scheme 06:35:41 hi! 06:35:57 how could I remove an element from a list in scheme? 06:38:05 You wouldn't rather make a new list that does not contain the offending element? 06:40:14 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.127.107] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:40:33 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-127-107.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 06:48:38 hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 06:51:39 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-127-107.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 06:57:21 Jafet: yeah, could do, I don't know ^^ 06:58:00 what's the best way, is there a function that do that already or should I do something that append the beggining to a call to member? 07:03:36 MCMic: have a look at srfi-1's filter function (unless this is homework, then it won't help much) 07:05:01 ok 07:06:18 I actually wrote something that might work ^^ 07:07:24 yeah, it does :) 07:07:34 wasn't that difficult after all xD 07:14:04 -!- elliottcable is now known as THA_BAWS 07:16:33 -!- THA_BAWS is now known as elliottcable 07:21:34 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:29:25 -!- rramsden [~rramsden@173.180.120.249] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:43:50 -!- monqy [~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hello] 07:46:19 -!- gremset [ubuntu@117.192.106.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:50:44 eddyc [~quassel@84-53-64-53.adsl.unet.nl] has joined #scheme 07:53:16 -!- poindont` [~user@cloudbovina.bovinasancta.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:54:01 poindontcare [~user@cloudbovina.bovinasancta.com] has joined #scheme 07:54:39 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-211-119.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:59:18 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 08:13:26 -!- blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:19:06 moin 08:19:11 *wingo* finally has an r7rs printout 08:19:14 -!- quackwoof [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:25:18 rudybot: eval (min +nan.0 3) 08:25:19 ohwow: your sandbox is ready 08:25:19 ohwow: ; Value: +nan.0 08:25:22 :( 08:25:34 so nan.0 is not infinity? 08:26:59 -!- ckrailo [~ckrailo@pool-173-57-102-171.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:27:37 of course not 08:28:59 quackwoof [~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 08:32:15 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:32:37 atomx [~user@86.35.150.23] has joined #scheme 08:34:21 rudybot: eval (/ +nan.0 +nan.0) 08:34:22 Axioplase_: your sandbox is ready 08:34:22 Axioplase_: ; Value: +nan.0 08:34:40 then nan.0 is 1. 08:34:43 rudybot: you're back! 08:34:43 wingo: of course, X forgets all this when i unplug the keyboard and requires me to run xmodmap every time i plug it back in 08:34:54 This is experimentally consistent. 08:35:15 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 08:36:20 -!- saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@fsf/member/saiko-chriskun] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 08:39:55 -!- quackwoof [~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:42:24 quackwoof [~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 08:45:18 -!- MCMic [~mcmic@pdpc/supporter/student/mcmic] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:53:04 rudybot, eval (+ +nan.0 +nan.0) 08:53:05 Sgeo: your sandbox is ready 08:53:05 Sgeo: ; Value: +nan.0 08:53:16 Is there a built-in function to find a minimum element in a vector and index of that element? 08:56:01 ohwow: nope 08:56:59 ohwow: some schemes provide a vector-map like procedure which let's you do the task 08:57:07 without too much hassle 09:02:11 -!- quackwoof [~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:03:17 quackwoof [~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 09:16:41 -!- quackwoof [~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:17:29 -!- bokr [~eduska@109.110.34.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:18:13 quackwoof [~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 09:23:39 bokr [~eduska@109.110.34.169] has joined #scheme 09:43:12 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 09:44:59 omg 09:45:01 -!- pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-d9bfdf21.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:45:02 I love Scheme 09:45:10 pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-d9bfc4ee.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 09:45:10 srsly u guys 09:45:17 masm [~masm@bl16-183-132.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 10:08:36 eddyc_ [~quassel@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has joined #scheme 10:08:48 -!- eddyc [~quassel@84-53-64-53.adsl.unet.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:14:03 dzhus [~sphinx@95-27-4-220.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 10:23:12 misterncw [~misterncw@82.71.241.25] has joined #scheme 10:34:41 -!- dzhus [~sphinx@95-27-4-220.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:40:44 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-152-135-21.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:41:49 Net4All [~sol@soltorg-soltorg.borlange.se] has joined #scheme 10:43:40 peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-152-135-21.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 10:44:42 no-name-: that's understandable. 10:45:04 When someone or something's good to you, you tend to love it. 10:47:35 Okey, so i'm trying to learn scheme, but I can't make this part work, I don't get any of the three text strings outputted 10:47:35 (let ((s 2)) 10:47:35 (cond ((zero? s) (display "Zero") 10:47:35 (positive? s) (display "Positive") 10:47:35 (negative? s) (display "Negative") 10:47:36 ) 10:47:36 ) 10:47:37 ) 10:47:57 You should use emacs to edit scheme code. 10:48:07 i do 10:48:11 If you used emacs, it would have indented it differently, and you would notice where the problem is. 10:49:56 pjb pasted "correctly indented" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/122050 10:50:13 Net4All: have a look at the paste. Does it make things clearer? 10:51:01 Then, check the syntax for cond: http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-7.html#%_idx_106 10:51:03 http://tinyurl.com/3gogwm 10:52:39 pjb: much clearer and i can see it now, thx! 10:53:03 Net4All: be sure to use emacs. Normally files named .scm should open in a buffer in scheme-mode. 10:53:12 -!- eddyc_ [~quassel@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:53:18 Net4All: get paredit and activate it: (add-hook 'scheme-mode-hook 'paredit-mode) 10:53:26 Net4All: editing lisp code with paredit is much easier. 10:56:17 pjb: I will give it a look 11:06:39 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:07:10 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:22:16 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 11:28:02 -!- Net4All [~sol@soltorg-soltorg.borlange.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:28:16 -!- ohwow [mao@meine.xn--nck9azb.jp] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:29:07 alvatar [~alvatar@45.148.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 11:33:43 -!- xwl_` [~user@nat/nokia/x-ykerzqogkslighyq] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:38:40 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@45.148.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:40:32 -!- quackwoof [~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:42:35 quackwoof [~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 11:43:33 pearle [~pearle@blk-224-181-222.eastlink.ca] has joined #scheme 11:47:12 -!- DT`` [~Feeock@net-93-149-65-126.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:05:48 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme 12:07:19 -!- minion [~minion@common-lisp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:07:20 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-49-168.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:09:55 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-49-168.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 12:12:36 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@62.101.146.61] has joined #scheme 12:15:54 DT`` [~Feeock@net-93-149-65-126.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 12:16:17 mmc [~michal@sams-office-nat.tomtomgroup.com] has joined #scheme 12:18:57 -!- no-name- [~no-name@11.228.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [] 12:23:30 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 12:35:19 tupi [~david@189.60.161.65] has joined #scheme 12:42:56 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:45:36 ohwow [~oh@www.nig.gs] has joined #scheme 12:46:59 gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable041.134-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 12:49:06 Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has joined #scheme 12:58:23 kuribas [~user@d54C43D8A.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 13:01:01 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@62.101.146.61] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:02:07 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04:35 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-155-197.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 13:10:39 Geef [~Geef@227.Red-83-33-80.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 13:22:02 -!- bokr [~eduska@109.110.34.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:23:21 theratking862 [~theratkin@static-98-118-55-77.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 13:25:37 Is cons usually implemented in terms of quasiquote, or the other way around? Like, could cons be implemented simply like this: 13:25:45 (define (cons a b) `(,a . ,b)) 13:25:58 cky: cons is a primitive procedure. 13:26:33 pjb: So are you saying that `(,a . ,b) is implemented in terms of cons? 13:26:36 I don't think you can implement quasiquote in terms of cons, if you take the part about constant sections of the list seriously ... 13:27:05 ijp: I thought quasiquoted forms that contain unquotes aren't really constant, but perhaps I'm misreading things. 13:27:34 ijp, why not? 13:27:37 cky: certain parts of the quasiquoted expression are 13:27:53 `(,(add1 2) 3 4 5) => (cons (add1 2) '(3 4 5)) 13:28:10 ijp: Right, but if you do `(,a . ,b), just what part of that is eligible to be immutable? 13:28:12 I guess, if your punting to quote 13:28:27 cky: none of it 13:28:35 cky: there's only a single pair in `(,a . ,b). 13:28:37 unless a and b are, I guess 13:28:39 ijp: Right, so that is just like cons, surely? 13:28:51 `(,a . ,b) == (cons a b) 13:29:00 cky: sure 13:29:22 , '`(,a . ,b) 13:29:32 eval: '`(,a . ,b) 13:29:41 rudybot: '`(,a . ,b) 13:29:42 pjb: your sandbox is ready 13:29:42 pjb: ; Value: (quasiquote ((unquote a) unquote b)) 13:30:11 ijp: Hence my question of why not simply implement cons in terms of quasiquote. :-) 13:30:20 nalaginrut [~nalaginru@183.15.190.209] has joined #scheme 13:30:43 cky: I did said you could on #guile 13:30:59 ijp: Ah yes, saw your comment now. :-) 13:31:24 anyone have a recommendation for a scheme implementation for ubuntu? 13:31:35 theratking862: That depends on what you want out of it. 13:31:51 theratking862: Presently I have Racket, Chicken, and Guile installed. Maybe Gauche too. 13:31:55 And Gambit, maybe. 13:32:11 But mostly I just use the first three I listed. 13:32:32 I have racket, but I was under the impression that it was a language derived from scheme, not scheme itself 13:32:40 Lol. 13:32:53 i mean i didn't look in any depth 13:33:10 yup~it changes a lot. 13:33:25 Racket, like Guile 2.0, is an engine for running all kinds of languages. Racket certainly has an R5RS mode, for example. 13:34:31 right. I saw that. i didn't know what R5RS meant. 13:34:37 thanks 13:34:52 theratking862: If you're in 32-bit mode, there's also MIT Scheme. 13:35:09 theratking862: MIT Scheme supported x64 since 9.0, but, Debian never produced an amd64 package for it for some reason. 13:36:49 cool 13:37:11 yeah I think scheme is taught at my future college so i kinda want a head start with something close to what ill be using 13:38:01 Most universities seem to use Racket, unless you're at Montreal or Indiana-Bloomington. ;-) 13:38:13 Or MIT, for that matter. :-P 13:38:28 not MIT, brown 13:38:32 theratking862: read SICP http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-4.html http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/ 13:38:47 theratking862: Brown is 99.44% likely to be using Racket. 13:38:49 theratking862: use mit-scheme for the exercises. 13:39:00 thanks guys 13:39:01 Given lots of the PLT people were there, IIRC. 13:39:16 theratking862: sicp is more important than the specific variant of scheme or programming language. 13:39:25 ill keep that in mind 13:39:46 how similar is scheme to CL? 13:40:04 Very different. 13:40:07 okay good 13:40:16 It's like asking how similar Perl is to JavaScript. 13:40:20 theratking862: intersection scheme cl: http://paste.lisp.org/display/84252 13:40:26 Even though they both have curly braces, etc. 13:40:34 gotta go for now, thanks a lot for your help 13:40:38 :-) 13:40:45 -!- theratking862 [~theratkin@static-98-118-55-77.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has left #scheme 13:45:25 -!- gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable041.134-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:45:59 gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable041.134-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 13:47:20 cky: Yes, brown is using Racket, but the number of PLT faculty there is just one. 13:49:07 Does that mean that if the one left, Racket would cease to be used there? 13:49:47 No. 13:50:05 eli: Ah. 13:52:26 -!- gnomon 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22:00:52 EM03 [~dfsdfdsf@unaffiliated/em03] has joined #scheme 22:01:02 Hmm I like scheme but I'm not sure at all about racket 22:01:36 there is so much to it 22:02:00 ToxicFrog [~ToxicFrog@69-196-174-61.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 22:02:58 -!- ToxicFrog [~ToxicFrog@69-196-174-61.dsl.teksavvy.com] has left #scheme 22:03:21 EM03: yes. Better use mit-scheme. 22:03:24 Simplier. 22:03:39 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-130-38.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 22:03:43 pjb: do you really like mit scheme? 22:04:01 or are you being sarcastic? heheh 22:04:03 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-175-206.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:07 because I would like to use mit scheme i think 22:04:08 I'm not a heavy scheme user, so my opinion should not matter much. 22:07:26 EM03, it turns out there's a lot to building useful software 22:07:47 samth: what do you mean? 22:07:59 my issue with racket is the UI is slow as slow can be 22:08:06 EM03, building useful software is complex, that's why racket is complex 22:08:09 well that is not an issue just an annoyance 22:08:30 do you mean that the drracket interface is slow? if so, file a bug 22:08:37 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-146-61.vinet.ba] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:08:40 on my mac its really slow 22:08:46 because it isn't slow for me, for example 22:08:50 like it will hang for 15-20 seconds all the time 22:09:04 that's clearly a bug 22:09:26 well i asked in the channel and many said the UI is slow now due to it all being written in racket 22:09:30 where before it was c++ 22:09:58 no, what people in #racket (such as me) said was that some things are slightly slower (and some faster) than before the rewrite 22:10:12 nothing should hang for 15 seconds 22:10:13 it was more than you :P hehe 22:10:27 ok i will investigate more 22:13:56 Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has joined #scheme 22:14:17 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-130-38.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:40 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-130-38.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 22:14:43 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 22:20:03 martin_hex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:20:03 -!- martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:20:04 -!- martin_hex is now known as martinhex 22:24:32 cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 22:29:23 gremset [ubuntu@117.192.101.153] has joined #scheme 22:31:02 -!- gremset_ [ubuntu@117.192.125.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:36:34 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 22:36:35 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 22:39:21 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-130-38.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:39:37 -!- martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:46:40 vk0 [~vk@ip-23-75.bnaa.dk] has joined #scheme 22:47:35 -!- incubot [incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:18 incubot [incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has joined #scheme 22:59:44 -!- elly [debian-tor@atheme/member/elly] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:13 elly [debian-tor@atheme/member/elly] has joined #scheme 23:11:39 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:12:05 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.234.171.167] has joined #scheme 23:17:28 -!- aisa [~aisa@c-68-35-164-105.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: aisa] 23:17:43 -!- jcowan [c6b912cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.185.18.207] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:19:08 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@adsl-76-232-153-198.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 23:20:13 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.234.171.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:20:14 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 23:21:47 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 23:25:34 -!- pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-5f769365.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:28:17 pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-5f7699b5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 23:29:14 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-152-135-21.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:29:17 stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #scheme 23:32:20 -!- pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:36:28 -!- bohanlon [~bohanlon@BOBBA.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Quit: So long, and thanks for all the fish!] 23:46:41 blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has joined #scheme 23:47:53 sstrickl [~sstrickl@c-71-192-163-167.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:49:02 -!- mmc1 [~michal@82-148-210-75.fiber.unet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]