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I find myself struggling here 02:13:07 poindont`, if you use Racket, probably this http://docs.racket-lang.org/guide/stx-obj.html?q=syntax-case 02:13:40 DT``: I am using guile but I guess it is the same 02:14:00 yeah, most of that will work in guile too. 02:14:15 also, look at http://community.schemewiki.org/?syntax-case 02:14:47 DT``: thanks a lot 02:14:51 np. 02:23:27 sheikra_ [wy@156-56-192-177.ssl-vpn.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 02:27:08 -!- sheikra_ [wy@156-56-192-177.ssl-vpn.indiana.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:27:10 -!- sheikra [~wy@110.187.68.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:27:16 sheikra [wy@156-56-192-177.ssl-vpn.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 02:28:08 joast [~rick@CPE-76-178-178-72.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:31:08 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #scheme 02:35:36 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 02:37:34 offby1 [~user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has joined #scheme 02:40:16 -!- poindont` [~user@cloudbovina.bovinasancta.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:43:25 -!- pearle [~pearle@blk-224-181-222.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:49:02 pearle [~pearle@blk-224-181-222.eastlink.ca] has joined #scheme 02:54:35 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-152-135-21.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:02:59 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:05:05 poindontcare [~user@cloudbovina.bovinasancta.com] has joined #scheme 03:08:34 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-146-140.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:11:04 -!- sloyd [sloyd@station457.vo3.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:28:35 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 03:31:05 no-name- [~no-name@225.244.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has joined #scheme 03:39:07 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c72ce0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 03:40:44 Bahman [~Bahman@2.146.17.80] has joined #scheme 03:41:36 Hi all! 03:46:13 Bahman: SCHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMAAH!!! 03:47:04 no-name-: I see you're a bit excited :-) 03:47:20 :P 03:47:37 I was just being silleh 03:49:57 *offby1* nods gravely 03:51:15 -!- JimmyRcom [~jimmy@adsl-75-53-45-212.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has left #scheme 03:56:13 -!- pearle [~pearle@blk-224-181-222.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:57:54 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: superjudge] 03:58:43 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 04:08:41 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:10:14 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 04:11:17 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:16:15 preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 04:20:53 ckrailo [~ckrailo@pool-173-57-102-171.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:43:30 -!- elliottcable is now known as paws 04:44:57 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.149] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:47:52 -!- paws is now known as elliottcable 04:48:47 -!- ymasory [~ymasory@c-76-99-55-224.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:53:31 -!- elliottcable is now known as everyone 04:53:36 -!- everyone is now known as elliottcable 05:11:29 -!- rramsden [~rramsden@173.180.120.249] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:16:21 -!- Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:17:00 superjudge [~superjudg@195.22.80.141] has joined #scheme 05:17:06 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 05:18:12 -!- blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:24:38 -!- no-name- [~no-name@225.244.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:24:58 no-name- [~no-name@11.228.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has joined #scheme 05:25:06 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-172-175.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 05:30:17 -!- martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:30:43 martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 05:35:02 -!- no-name- [~no-name@11.228.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:35:21 no-name- [~no-name@11.228.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has joined #scheme 05:36:58 -!- sheikra [wy@156-56-192-177.ssl-vpn.indiana.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:38:41 sheikra_ [~wy@110.187.68.25] has joined #scheme 05:39:29 saccade [~saccade@74-95-7-186-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 05:39:44 pattern [~pattern@unaffiliated/pattern] has joined #scheme 05:42:24 -!- saccade [~saccade@74-95-7-186-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:53:35 Sgeo [~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 05:53:55 I'm getting dizzy trying to decide between various Schemes, and Common Lisp 05:54:19 Go with Scheme :) 05:54:26 Which one? 05:54:51 Scheme has a bigger emphasis on functional programming, plus it's Lisp-1 plus it got TCO, continuations, macros 05:55:03 Well, I'd start with R5RS 05:55:16 almost all Scheme implementations support that standart 05:55:25 Um, CL has macros. Not hygienic macros, but still macros 05:55:37 yeah i ment to say hygienic macros, sorry 05:59:58 -!- djcb [~user@a88-112-253-18.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:01:30 what about racket? 06:02:20 I kind of lumped Racket in as a Scheme, even though I probably shouldn't 06:02:23 But yeah, that too 06:02:40 Sgeo: I'm learning Scheme too. And between Lisp and Scheme I obviously chose Scheme. 06:03:08 I'm using DrRacket. It has the advantage of avoiding Emacs (at least for me). 06:03:29 That'd be two things to learn at the same time and eventually suck at both :-) 06:04:35 elliott [~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott] has joined #scheme 06:04:47 I'm kind of a minor Smalltalk fan, and really like the idea of modifying a program while it's running. DrRacket doesn't really provide that 06:05:36 jewel [~jewel@196-209-224-248.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 06:07:30 Is Racket in Emacs generally compatible with that? 06:07:36 Chicken supposedly is 06:09:11 Well you can define/redefine stuff in REPL, yes. 06:09:19 Sgeo, you mean send-sexp-to-repl? yes. 06:10:57 *Sgeo* just imagined weird stuff breaking when continuations get involved with modifying a program like that 06:22:09 -!- Bahman [~Bahman@2.146.17.80] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:24:51 -!- saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@fsf/member/saiko-chriskun] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 06:26:33 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@76.226.202.93] has joined #scheme 06:29:31 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.221.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:29:32 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 06:31:43 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.202.93] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 06:32:20 -!- sheikra_ [~wy@110.187.68.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:33:25 hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 06:39:36 peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-152-135-21.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 06:40:23 stis [~stis@host-78-79-238-0.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #scheme 06:41:57 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-165-128.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:47:16 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 06:48:25 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-209-224-248.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:51:02 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 06:59:13 Sgeo: Yes, racket works with Emacs, but geiser is better at making it play nicely with modules, IIUC. 06:59:30 And you need much less the continuations to get stuff broken in weird ways. 07:03:49 -!- kephas [pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-46-202.w92-148.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:19:24 -!- no-name- [~no-name@11.228.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [] 07:21:38 -!- pyrony [~epic@99-105-56-162.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:22:01 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:22:56 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-172-175.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:23:13 dfeuer [~dfeuer@pool-71-178-51-12.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 07:23:13 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@pool-71-178-51-12.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 07:23:14 dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #scheme 07:24:00 no-name- [~no-name@11.228.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has joined #scheme 07:25:19 -!- cpach [~carl@h167n3-sde-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:33:18 -!- ckrailo [~ckrailo@pool-173-57-102-171.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:35:18 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:38:59 -!- ecraven [~user@140.78.42.213] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:44:28 superjudge_ [~superjudg@195.22.80.140] has joined #scheme 07:44:47 ecraven [~user@140.78.42.213] has joined #scheme 07:45:17 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 07:46:52 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@195.22.80.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:46:52 -!- superjudge_ is now known as superjudge 07:47:11 pyrony [~epic@99-105-56-162.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 08:13:45 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:15:00 -!- monqy [~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hello] 08:15:56 -!- pyrony [~epic@99-105-56-162.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:23:32 -!- Sgeo [~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:24:43 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 08:24:51 Sgeo [~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 08:27:59 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:29:36 pyrony [~epic@99-105-56-162.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 08:32:43 sheikra [wy@156-56-193-160.ssl-vpn.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 08:36:19 Have you guys seen L, btw? It's the first new language I've been interested in since Scheme: . 08:37:58 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:39:23 dfeuer [~dfeuer@pool-71-178-51-12.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 08:39:30 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@pool-71-178-51-12.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:39:30 dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #scheme 08:41:07 -!- pyrony [~epic@99-105-56-162.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:47:47 Do we really need MORE languages whose name is just a letter? 08:49:02 Y 08:49:33 pyrony [~epic@99-105-56-162.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 08:49:45 There probably are already more than 26... 08:50:00 depending on the alphabet 08:50:01 Which sums up my opinion about them 08:50:12 In english, of course 08:50:19 Sgeo: You'd think that, like 1D.com domains, they'd be a hot commodity; in reality, though, it seems to take a certain amount of chutzpah to push one successfully through. 08:51:49 Hmm, looks like IANA restricts the use of 1D; nevermind: there are confounding factors at work there. 09:00:52 http://1d.com doesn't look restricted. 09:01:39 -!- pyrony [~epic@99-105-56-162.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:07:54 -!- stis [~stis@host-78-79-238-0.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:08:23 stis [~stis@host-95-194-20-87.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #scheme 09:11:08 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@195.22.80.140] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:11:27 superjudge [~superjudg@195.22.80.141] has joined #scheme 09:15:42 -!- sheikra [wy@156-56-193-160.ssl-vpn.indiana.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:18:15 sheikra [wy@156.56.193.160] has joined #scheme 09:19:42 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-140.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 09:20:10 pelias_sorcerer [~g@pool-74-111-197-135.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 09:20:22 pyrony 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11:47:40 superjudge [~superjudg@195.22.80.141] has joined #scheme 12:02:48 jgracin [~jgracin@dh111-186.xnet.hr] has joined #scheme 12:06:24 kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has joined #scheme 12:06:58 what do you folks mostly use to do graphics stuff in scheme? 12:07:07 2d or 3d 12:07:26 i think there is no portable library for opengl, right? 12:07:41 i mean for opengl bindings 12:10:15 sstrickl [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 12:14:02 tupi [~david@189.60.161.65] has joined #scheme 12:15:50 -!- kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has left #scheme 12:46:42 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.202.93] has joined #scheme 13:21:37 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-132-174.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 13:25:43 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.202.93] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 13:27:25 -!- wayne [~wayne@unaffiliated/wayne] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:29:45 -!- elliott [~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:30:33 gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable041.134-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 13:31:18 soveran [~soveran@200-42-23-2.dup.prima.net.ar] has joined #scheme 13:43:11 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:46:36 eddyc [~quassel@84-53-64-53.adsl.unet.nl] has joined #scheme 13:55:04 ckrailo [~ckrailo@pool-173-57-102-171.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 13:55:22 -!- jgracin [~jgracin@dh111-186.xnet.hr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:57:35 so (append) finds the '() and replaces it with exp2? 13:58:38 No. It copies the lists (apart perhaps the last one, check r5rs; in CL it shares the last list). 13:58:58 append! would set the last cdr. 13:59:49 ah, so I get a copy 14:00:10 Check r5rs if it copies the last list. 14:00:14 In CL it does not. 14:00:24 drewr [~drewr@valve.draines.com] has joined #scheme 14:01:18 Would it matter when I do (set-cdr! table (append (cdr table) (cons new-stuff '())))? 14:01:29 I do set-cdr!, so I suppose it wouldn't matter if I set it to a copy or not 14:02:38 In r5rs, append works like in CL, it shares the last list. 14:02:43 -!- copumpkin is now known as roar 14:03:00 -!- roar is now known as trumpet 14:03:13 -!- trumpet is now known as quackwoof 14:03:33 So in (set-cdr! table (append (cdr table) (cons new-stuff' ()))) (cdr table) is copied, and the copy is put back to the cdr of table with set-cdr!. 14:04:21 so if I switched that with append!, the only technical difference would be that I don't make a copy? 14:04:37 Yes. 14:05:06 append! is hypothetical, not in r5rs. It may exist in a library, or you may write it. 14:05:17 ah 14:05:41 so in technical terms, it might be more efficient, but rather irrelevant? 14:05:53 (define (last list) (if (null? (cdr list)) list (last (cdr list)))) 14:06:05 (set-cdr! (last table) (cons new-stuff '())) 14:06:20 This could express more clearly what you mean. 14:06:21 srfi-1 includes APPEND!, however, it is not *required* to mutate the original list 14:06:26 s/last/last-cdr/ 14:07:44 I was just wondering if it would be more efficient to not make a copy of a list everytime to do append, but I suppose it's one of the last places I need to be looking for efficiency. Not that I'm looking for efficiency :) 14:08:20 just prepend, then reverse in the end 14:08:47 Articate: in the age of multi-core processors, it might be more efficient to copy the list than to modify it. 14:08:58 interesting 14:09:20 wouldn't it clutter up memory? 14:09:34 But indeed, the best is to prepend: (set-cdr! table (cons new-stuff (cdr table))) 14:10:17 Articate: generational garbage collector can make consing and collecting faster than modifying an old generation data. 14:10:25 yeah - I was doing that, but I'm using the table to generate some random stuff, and the last thing I *pend to the list is likely the least frequent, which makes for a poor starting place 14:10:57 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme 14:11:09 aisa [~aisa@173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 14:11:31 I suppose I could just make the "first-entry" return the last one. 14:15:46 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Client Quit] 14:22:23 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@195.22.80.141] has quit [Quit: superjudge] 14:22:38 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-172-175.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:22:44 edw [~user@70-89-62-209-philadelphia-panjde.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 14:28:29 -!- thoolihan [~Tim@99-157-225-37.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:28:59 -!- bokr [~eduska@109.110.36.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:29:15 thoolihan [~Tim@99-157-225-37.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 14:32:02 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:34:45 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 14:35:04 ymasory [~ymasory@frank.ldc.upenn.edu] has joined #scheme 14:39:25 -!- ckrailo [~ckrailo@pool-173-57-102-171.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:39:27 -!- ymasory [~ymasory@frank.ldc.upenn.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 14:40:07 ymasory [~ymasory@frank.ldc.upenn.edu] has joined #scheme 14:42:12 -!- Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:43:52 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 14:52:49 -!- pyrony [~epic@99-105-56-162.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:57:31 tupi__ [~david@139.82.89.24] has joined #scheme 14:57:52 -!- hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58:23 (cons (caar (last (cdr table))) (cons (caadr (last (cdr table))) '())) - I love lists. 14:59:01 -!- soveran [~soveran@200-42-23-2.dup.prima.net.ar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59:05 Articate: do you know about ` and ,? 14:59:28 not really 15:00:50 it helps when creating list structure. look for explanations of QUASIQUOTE 15:01:12 for example here (first hit on google): http://pre.racket-lang.org/docs/html/reference/quasiquote.html 15:01:30 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has quit [Quit: Goin' away] 15:02:27 ah :) 15:02:29 thanks for the help :) 15:02:38 dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #scheme 15:04:38 ckrailo [~ckrailo@208.86.167.249] has joined #scheme 15:04:51 Articate: (last (cdr x)) == (last x) 15:04:56 in a word, QUASIQUOTE (`) starts a quoted list where you can insert evaluated items with UNQUOTE (,). so `(1 2 3) is the same as '(1 2 3) but `(1 ,(+ 1 1) 3) evaluates to '(1 2 3) 15:05:29 Articate: (cons x (cons y '())) == (list x y) 15:05:42 I know :) 15:06:11 THen write: (list (caar (last table)) (caadr (last table))), not (cons (caar (last (cdr table))) (cons (caadr (last (cdr table))) '())) 15:06:22 pjb: Not true (re (last (cdr x)) == (last x)). 15:06:28 rudybot: (last '(3)) 15:06:30 cky: your sandbox is ready 15:06:30 cky: ; Value: 3 15:06:38 rudybot: (last (cdr '(3))) 15:06:39 cky: error: last: expected argument of type ; given () 15:06:43 cky: Well, I gave a definition of last above, which is lastcdr. 15:06:47 Like in CL. 15:07:11 Because there's no last in r5rs. 15:07:23 pjb: R5RS does have last-pair, IIRC. 15:07:32 Uh, maybe not. 15:07:36 Neither. 15:07:42 r5rs has almost nothing. 15:08:00 When will r7rs be ready? 15:08:06 *pjb* has to read the preview... 15:08:23 Whether R7RS will come out before Perl 6 is debateable. ;-) 15:09:31 copumpkin [~pumpkin@17.45.135.90] has joined #scheme 15:09:31 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@17.45.135.90] has quit [Changing host] 15:09:31 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 15:15:51 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.202.93] has joined #scheme 15:16:31 -!- tupi [~david@189.60.161.65] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:16:56 pyrony [~epic@184.233.59.209] has joined #scheme 15:26:19 -!- pyrony [~epic@184.233.59.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:31:09 erjiang [~erjiang@adsl-108-85-5-191.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 15:31:14 -!- erjiang [~erjiang@adsl-108-85-5-191.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:27 pyrony [~epic@72-57-230-156.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #scheme 15:31:52 pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 15:37:00 gremset [ubuntu@117.192.97.71] has joined #scheme 15:38:19 -!- pyrony [~epic@72-57-230-156.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:44:38 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.202.93] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:45:08 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.202.93] has joined #scheme 15:55:19 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 15:58:00 -!- eddyc [~quassel@84-53-64-53.adsl.unet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:58:18 pyrony [~epic@office1.klout.com] has joined #scheme 16:08:51 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-215-29.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 16:10:16 http://nice.sourceforge.net/visitor.html 16:14:44 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.202.93] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:05 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.202.93] has joined #scheme 16:19:40 -!- pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-5f7690f2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:19:52 pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-4d066645.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 16:23:00 ohwow: http://www.norvig.com/design-patterns/ 16:26:19 ohwow: see also http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/ee09f8475bc7b2a0?hl=en 16:26:39 thanks! 16:26:54 You may read the whole thread, it's quite interesting. 16:32:29 i just realised how dynamic-wind is meant to be pronounced. i thought it sounded a little too 'zen' 16:33:28 Haha 16:33:39 English is great. :-\ 16:33:51 Well, most programmers are not native English speaking, so they may even never pronounce most of the technical vocabulary. 16:34:13 mippymoe89 [~mippymoe8@c-24-147-92-217.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:34:17 Now that you mention it, yes, the "zen" pronouciations is probably the one I used in my mind :-) 16:38:54 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 16:39:12 rpg [~rpg@mpls.sift.info] has joined #scheme 16:44:00 clsmith: I pronounce it as dynamic-wined. 16:44:21 (As opposed to dynamic-winnd.) 16:45:00 dynamic win 16:45:12 :-D 16:45:48 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 16:50:27 -!- aisa [~aisa@173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50:45 aisa [~aisa@173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 16:52:41 saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@fsf/member/saiko-chriskun] has joined #scheme 16:54:51 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 17:04:29 sloyd [sloyd@station457.vo3.net] has joined #scheme 17:07:51 drdo [~user@194.210.228.213] has joined #scheme 17:11:17 monqy [~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 17:13:44 blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has joined #scheme 17:16:11 anyone know of a good opensource text on the internet? 17:16:21 anyone know of a good opensource text about the internet?** 17:16:22 A text for what? 17:16:25 Ah. 17:18:47 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.202.93] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:19:08 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.202.93] has joined #scheme 17:19:13 The internet is a vague, all inclusive concept. 17:19:55 yeah that's true 17:20:09 kittens 17:20:31 It's just a series of tubes. 17:24:14 kitten pipes 17:25:20 alexgordon [~alexgordo@beyond.conceited.net] has joined #scheme 17:25:24 jewel [~jewel@196-209-224-248.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 17:28:50 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@76.226.233.177] has joined #scheme 17:28:59 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-215-29.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:29:20 soveran [~soveran@200-42-23-2.dup.prima.net.ar] has joined #scheme 17:29:37 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.202.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:29:37 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 17:30:00 wingo: Your comments reminds me of violin bows... 17:30:15 s/comments/comment/ 17:30:55 hmm? 17:31:14 Cat tubes ==> catgut. 17:32:11 those are strings; bows are horsehair :) 17:32:39 Oh. No wonder I can barely get a noise out of one! 17:32:40 And catgut isn't made from cats. :-) 17:33:03 What _is_ it made from? 17:33:26 when i used to play strings had deer gut in them 17:33:27 *edw* thinks: why don't you JFGI? 17:33:44 iirc anyway :) 17:33:58 *edw* thinks that _re: his own comments_. 17:34:21 hehe 17:35:39 choas [~lars@p5792C6E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 17:36:00 Sheep intestines, never cat. According to Wikipedia. 17:36:22 mmc [~michal@82-148-210-75.fiber.unet.nl] has joined #scheme 17:36:36 I think that the cat thing was a myth to throw off competitors in 16th century Italy or something, does it mention that? 17:36:57 That might be a complete lie, but I heard it somewhere. 17:37:14 Parsing... 17:37:15 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.233.177] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:37:38 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.233.177] has joined #scheme 17:37:59 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-222-242.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 17:40:45 According to Professor String--the web site, and possibly the man--it originates with the Italian word for violin: "kit". "Kitguy" evolved into "catgut." Again, according to Professor String. 17:41:06 s/Kitguy/kitgut/ 17:41:20 One has to wonder whether `Professor String' is his real name. 17:42:28 Some people are born with a destiny... 17:42:50 -!- drdo [~user@194.210.228.213] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:43:16 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.233.177] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:43:27 Cue Mr. Trailer Voiceoverer. 17:43:33 Sounds mildly perverted, out of context 17:43:41 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.233.177] has joined #scheme 17:43:49 -!- githogori [~githogori@c-24-7-1-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46:35 The other day, I passed in front of a MD office, on the plaque was his name: Dr. Quitus. (= Qui tue = Who kills). 17:51:20 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 17:55:51 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.233.177] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:08 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.233.177] has joined #scheme 18:01:45 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:02:07 pjb: I read that as "pass out in front of an MD office." That would've been even better, for certain ironic values of "better." 18:08:06 edw: how would you say it? went by? 18:16:08 pjb: I meant that I thought you passed out as you passed by Dr Death. 18:17:20 edw: ok. Since I'm not a native, some alien expressions may sometimes split throught. So "I passed by a MD office", would be better. 18:17:39 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:17:46 s/split/slip/ 18:17:56 The error was completely on the part of this native English reader. I think it make perfect sense, once I read it correctly. 18:18:04 ok. 18:19:13 I'd perhaps put a full stop instead of a comma before "on the plaque," but your sentence was poetic enough that nearly anything would have worked. 18:19:19 From afark, we get distorted statistical coefficients on languages. Even TV language is not the same as street language, not to say anything about movies. 18:19:38 s/afark/afar/ 18:20:18 Fark definitely distorts statistical coefficients on language. 18:20:21 That's funny, because even when dubbed, we can easily recognize american series from local series, just by the language used. 18:21:43 -!- pattern [~pattern@unaffiliated/pattern] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25:19 Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 18:29:57 In my experience, native Russian speakers have the most amusing English when they're nearly fluent. They can never nail the articles. 18:30:36 It's hard to do when your native language doesn't have them. 18:31:03 Russian has no articles? 18:31:15 AFAIR, no. 18:31:23 It doesn't. 18:31:26 I learned Russian at school, but forgot it mostly. 18:31:49 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-61.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 18:31:49 It has lots of cases to make up for the lack of articles! 18:31:53 I should really relearn it, if only to play at Lock On Flamming Cliffs 2. 18:31:55 (although not as many as Finnish) 18:34:22 djcb [~user@a88-112-253-18.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 18:34:32 Ah. I'll have to give extra props to Nabokov. When I see him in hell. 18:36:11 *amoe* would not send nabokov to hell 18:37:11 amoe: Unfortunately, we're not making the decisions. Instantiate your own copy of the matrix... 18:37:29 I am reading Ada at the moment, what a beautiful work... 18:42:23 is the scheme channel? 18:42:34 ijp [~user@host86-163-221-44.range86-163.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 18:42:44 Yes 18:43:00 Speaking of... I've considered structuring the book I'm working on in epistolary form. Is there a term for X in "X : Journal :: Epistolary : Letter"? 18:43:25 -!- pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-4d066645.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:43:34 pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-d9bfdf21.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 18:44:05 wouldn't it be "journal : volume :: epistolary : letter" ? 18:44:37 jonrafkind: D'oh! I mean "epistolic". 18:46:16 No, I actually meant "epistolary." 18:54:34 HG` [~HG@p579F7785.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:57:08 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has left #scheme 19:14:27 -!- rpg [~rpg@mpls.sift.info] has quit [Quit: rpg] 19:15:43 stis [~stis@host-90-235-203-56.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #scheme 19:20:18 githogori [~githogori@216.207.36.222] has joined #scheme 19:24:45 Nils^ [hammerfest@gateway/shell/devio.us/x-tdygwqsmhnsycxpi] has joined #scheme 19:25:59 hi. I have a list of pairs (number . string) and I want to (apply min list). How do I substitue (min) so that it uses (car) to compare but returns the pair (and not only the number)? 19:27:08 (apply min (map (lambda(x) (car x)) lst)) 19:28:33 that simple... 19:28:37 Nils^: In other words, MIN takes a thunk that defines *how* the elements of the list are compared. 19:28:56 edw: you mean an optional parameter? 19:28:59 like sort-list 19:29:39 -!- tupi__ [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:29:45 no, thats not what ohwow wrote 19:30:40 The APPLY shouldn't be there, if you want to compare the elements of 'list'. 19:30:54 Oops. I lied. 19:31:07 Wait... Jebus... I'm switching languages too much. 19:31:40 :P 19:32:43 > (define lst '(10 425 42 5)) 19:32:43 > (foldl (lambda (x acc) (min x acc)) (car lst) (cdr lst)) 19:32:43 5 19:32:44 > 19:32:44 Nils^: ohwow's code doesn't return the pair. 19:32:46 rudybot: (require srfi/1) 19:32:46 cky: Done. 19:32:52 er 19:33:06 well you got the idea 19:33:31 Nils^: The answer is that you're going to need to write your own skanky special-purpose mapping procedure. 19:33:35 yes, I saw that ohwows code just strips out the strings :) 19:33:54 rudybot: (define (alist-min alist lt?) (reduce (lambda (x y) (if (lt? (car x) (car y)) x y)) #f alist)) 19:33:54 cky: Done. 19:33:59 Or you'll need to go through the list more than once. 19:34:01 ah you went to get a pair 19:34:03 sorry 19:34:24 rudybot: (alist-min '((1 . 2) (4 . 3) (2 . 7) (-1 . 10)) <) 19:34:24 cky: ; Value: (-1 . 10) 19:34:39 Nils^: ^^--- 19:34:54 (collect-minimum-by car (for x (in-list list)) x) 19:34:55 rudybot: (alist-min '((1 . 2) (-4 . 3) (2 . 7) (-1 . 10)) <) 19:34:56 cky: ; Value: (-4 . 3) 19:35:15 Riastradh: Is that part of foof-loop? 19:35:23 Part of nested-foof-loop, anyway. 19:35:32 *nods* 19:37:18 If you want a different order (e.g., perhaps you want to lexicographically totally order the complex numbers), you can use: (collect-extremum-by foo< car (for x (in-list list)) x) 19:38:23 what is the official source for the nested-foof-loop module? 19:38:53 (This selects the `leftmost' element, with the proviso that false is `right' of everything. (If you don't want false to be involved, use (collect-extremum-by foo< car (initial d) (for x (in-list list)) x).)) 19:39:14 19:42:47 (The whole false business is pretty silly...) 19:48:29 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-132-174.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:49:54 -!- djcb [~user@a88-112-253-18.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:56:24 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 20:01:33 -!- Nils^ [hammerfest@gateway/shell/devio.us/x-tdygwqsmhnsycxpi] has left #scheme 20:05:09 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-61.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:10:44 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: superjudge] 20:11:40 -!- mippymoe89 [~mippymoe8@c-24-147-92-217.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:12:51 githogori_ [~githogori@216.207.36.222] has joined #scheme 20:13:02 -!- githogori_ [~githogori@216.207.36.222] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14:40 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:15:10 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-209-224-248.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:15:32 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 20:26:58 -!- gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable041.134-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 20:27:44 -!- stis [~stis@host-90-235-203-56.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:20 ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 20:34:45 -!- HG` [~HG@p579F7785.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:34:49 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 20:44:44 gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable041.134-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 20:44:51 -!- gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable041.134-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:45:43 -!- ymasory [~ymasory@frank.ldc.upenn.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:46:34 gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable041.134-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 20:51:23 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 20:51:33 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-222-242.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:52:33 good evening, schemers. 20:53:38 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-164-21.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 20:55:51 djcb [~user@a88-112-253-18.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 20:56:33 yeah yeah 20:56:37 that's what they all say 20:56:41 Hi. 21:03:05 astertronistic [~astertron@be-sun02.ic.ucsc.edu] has joined #scheme 21:03:19 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:06:35 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-4a58ba8e.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 21:06:38 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 21:13:20 cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 21:15:00 -!- soveran [~soveran@200-42-23-2.dup.prima.net.ar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:39 Argh! When Emacsing through SSH, how do you get Paredit to (1 2 3_) 4 => (1 2 3 4)? 21:23:03 C-RIGHT?! 21:23:46 M-x paredit-forward-slurp-sexp 21:23:47 ? 21:23:52 :-\ 21:24:26 Yeah, and Emacs helpfully suggested a sequence I can't generate... 21:25:38 C-S-) ? 21:26:10 Not through SSH (and screen)... 21:26:48 M-x geiser-connect to an SSH tunnel? :-) 21:27:18 Fix your termcap/terminfo database... 21:27:28 -!- djcb [~user@a88-112-253-18.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:27:50 Riastradh: A Russian doll constructed out of problems... 21:28:22 wingo: That works fine, but I'm setting this up so I can hack Scheme w/ Geiser on my iPad via Prompt. 21:28:46 yow 21:28:59 WHILE RIDING A FIXIE 21:29:05 :) 21:29:38 Wait, have we met in real life? I can hold an americano while doing a track stand now... 21:29:59 Step 1. Root your iPad, or find a platform that does not treat you as an adversary... 21:30:14 hehehe 21:31:04 Did someone give RMS Riastradh's freenode pw? 21:31:30 That said, I would kill to have Emacs on my iPad... 21:31:58 don't kill, just jailbreak 21:32:04 unfortunately you get no GUI on it :P 21:32:32 There's a (nice?) Emacs build for jailbroken iPads? 21:32:46 I'm sure there is 21:33:00 there's a fairly complete set of standard tools available for it 21:33:05 but you'd want to ssh into it to use it 21:33:12 or use one of the terminal programs 21:35:22 I basically want what using Prompt to SSH into my Linode server would give me... Everything seems to work fine except arrow keys... 21:36:56 No, but seriously, wingo, my mind's a sieve: have we met? 21:37:07 edw: i don't think so, no 21:37:39 but this world is small. 21:37:50 OK. It's not uncommon to see me splayed out on the ground after going over my bars to save a clueless pedestrian. 21:37:57 hehe 21:38:09 you are in philly? 21:38:26 Yeah. 21:38:27 http://bbb.poseur.com/post/5360619423/ 21:38:48 heh 21:39:09 Tres heh. 21:41:52 Also, even if your termcap/terminfo database is correct, your terminal might set a bogus TERM value. (I'm looking at you, Terminal.app.) 21:42:52 No doubt, though, Apple goes to some effort to make sure you can't debug these problems. 21:43:47 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-164-21.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:00 Riastradh: Makes me want to use ed(1). Getting Terminal.app and screen and Emacs and whatever else in between all singing in unison: sigh. 21:45:24 *offby1* sighs 21:45:40 I haven't used Macs in quite a while, but I do remember that that was a struggle, which I eventually gave up on 21:46:03 Maybe I'l just use xterm... 21:46:19 *edw* launches X11.app 21:50:29 -!- astertronistic [~astertron@be-sun02.ic.ucsc.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:58 -!- aisa [~aisa@173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: aisa] 21:54:28 -!- choas [~lars@p5792C6E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:00:30 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #scheme 22:04:56 -!- Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:07:24 Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has joined #scheme 22:10:35 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-4a58ba8e.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:12:53 -!- githogori [~githogori@216.207.36.222] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:14 Actually, looks like this might be screen's fault. 22:13:57 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:17:34 vilfredo [~wilfred@cpc11-woki6-2-0-cust239.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 22:20:46 bokr [~eduska@109.110.59.171] has joined #scheme 22:27:23 mippymoe89 [~mippymoe8@c-24-147-92-217.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:28:02 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 22:30:42 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:38:37 Pirxs [~Pirx@195.225.69.9] has joined #scheme 22:41:36 -!- vilfredo [~wilfred@cpc11-woki6-2-0-cust239.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #scheme 22:42:20 Bahman [~Bahman@2.144.243.161] has joined #scheme 22:46:52 -!- Pirxs [~Pirx@195.225.69.9] has quit [] 22:49:52 -!- saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@fsf/member/saiko-chriskun] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 22:58:39 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 23:06:17 copumpkin [~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 23:06:17 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 23:06:17 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 23:08:04 -!- nome [~user@c-76-120-241-71.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:11:15 -!- mippymoe89 [~mippymoe8@c-24-147-92-217.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:12:44 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 23:15:05 -!- mmc [~michal@82-148-210-75.fiber.unet.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:32:07 -!- Checkie [3825@unaffiliated/checkie] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:36:33 -!- pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has left #scheme 23:37:05 -!- pyrony [~epic@office1.klout.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:44:27 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:45:02 githogori [~githogori@c-24-7-1-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:46:37 sstrickl [~sstrickl@c-71-192-163-167.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:51:37 -!- z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:59:31 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme