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04:48:50 leo2007, how's paredit-convolute-sexp? Any other problems with it? It hasn't seen a lot of use, so I'm sure there are lots of corner cases still lurking. 04:49:51 Riastradh: it works much better. But also find myself rarely use it. BTW, do you think the default key M-? is good? 04:53:52 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 04:56:15 I like it. It nicely illustrates how confusing and convoluted the operation is. 05:02:32 ice_man [~user@CPE0024d23789ef-CM001a666a9242.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 05:04:22 Riastradh: OK, makes sense. 05:06:05 -!- ice_man [~user@CPE0024d23789ef-CM001a666a9242.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #scheme 05:09:23 -!- pearle [~pearle@blk-224-181-222.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:14:08 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:42:10 mippymoe89 [~mippymoe8@c-24-147-92-217.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:48:39 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 05:51:24 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:17 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-160-164.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 06:03:10 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-99-47.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:03:31 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I wget'ed it once. 12:29:21 gremset_ [ubuntu@117.192.106.84] has joined #scheme 12:30:13 -!- gremset [ubuntu@117.192.101.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:33:06 pjb: Oh, you don't `wget -U'? 12:33:51 Sometimes. There's an option in ~/.wgetrc, but it doesn't seem to work. I don't think always of adding -U by hand. 12:34:29 But since I wget'ed the whole site, it wouldn't matter, he would have blacklisted my IP from the sheer aboundance of downloads. 12:37:00 jewel [~jewel@196-209-224-248.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 12:39:44 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 12:58:44 -!- ymasory [~ymasory@c-76-99-55-224.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:02:55 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 13:08:56 tupi [~david@189.60.162.71] has joined #scheme 13:09:25 -!- bokr [~eduska@109.110.36.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:11:41 Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has joined #scheme 13:30:07 v_v [~cg@116.227.59.36] has joined #scheme 13:41:18 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 13:55:00 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:55:48 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 13:55:58 kuribas [~user@d54C43D8A.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 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Siesta time. 20:44:04 man, I liked IRC better before it was unionized 20:44:40 What are you, some kind of Wallmartist American capitalist snob? Get back to your siesta, comrade! 20:45:12 the problem with Scheme is that I usually figure out the answer when I try to figure out the question 20:45:49 that's what Scheme is all about. 20:46:02 Yeah, I hate that problem. Life is much better in Perl where you can't even formulate questions coherently, let alone answers or solutions, so you have to be satisfied with duct tape that resembles workarounds. 20:46:10 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-211-11.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46:24 well, the problem is that I'm trying to ask to get to the answer quicker 20:46:54 it's not like there's a question in the world we couldn't figure out on our own, it'd just take some time. 20:47:29 I'm trying to understand the way the following structure is built up 20:48:02 Erik Naggum had something to say about perl: http://www.schnada.de/grapt/eriknaggum-perlrant.html 20:48:10 (*table (a (b . 3) (k . 7) (r . 5)) (b (a . 4) (b . 1))) 20:48:40 I'm trying to write it down with the awesome pair-boxes 20:48:53 then to get the same structure using cons 20:54:44 Articate, to help you: 20:54:47 (cons '*table (cons (cons 'a (cons (cons 'b 3) (cons (cons 'k 7) (cons (cons 'r 5) '())))) (cons (cons 'b (cons (cons 'a 4) (cons (cons 'b 1) '()))) '()))) 20:55:26 thanks :) 20:55:37 pjb pasted "generate it!" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/122007 20:55:58 Articate: have a look at the paste... 20:56:23 nice 20:56:29 thanks! :) 20:56:31 s/common-lisp:nil/()/g ; I used pseudo-scheme. 20:58:04 yay, I got it right 20:58:40 now to write the functions for inserting and retreiving data from this thing 21:04:53 pjb annotated #122007 "gen-retrieve" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/122007#1 21:05:02 Articate: again, generate it automatically! 21:05:57 err, it lacks a reverse. Exercise for the reader: find where to place the missing reverse. 21:06:30 -!- githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:07:43 I should be ok - I need to put things into this table, so I just have to keep my tongue straight 21:07:45 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 21:09:07 but now, an episode of House! 21:09:22 Ah, if it's House... 21:11:54 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-169-246.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:14:06 gremset [ubuntu@117.192.98.191] has joined #scheme 21:15:34 -!- gremset_ [ubuntu@117.192.106.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:16:27 ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 21:19:26 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:19:33 githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 21:20:00 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-169-246.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:25:34 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has left #scheme 21:33:41 -!- Hal9k [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [] 21:38:37 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: superjudge] 21:51:35 Hal9k [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 21:51:45 jesusito [~user@158.pool85-54-75.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #scheme 21:53:54 soveran [~soveran@186.22.15.197] has joined #scheme 22:07:30 -!- jesusito [~user@158.pool85-54-75.dynamic.orange.es] has left #scheme 22:11:20 -!- z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:12:35 dnolen [~davidnole@pool-68-161-99-202.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 22:16:38 mdwright_laptop [~Adium@12.238.42.3] has joined #scheme 22:17:04 Using gambit-scheme (scheme-r5rs) how can I have it run the code in a given file? 22:17:20 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@pool-68-161-99-202.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:19:26 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:19:32 mdwright_laptop: gci file 22:19:42 mdwright_laptop: (load "file.scm") 22:20:27 sorry, gsi 22:21:59 pjb: That loads the code in it, but it doesn't appear to run anything. 22:22:06 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 22:22:24 Perhaps I'm missing something. I assumed the print function would print to stdout. 22:22:25 mdwright_laptop: it runs all the expressions you have in your file. 22:22:51 mdwright_laptop: the proof: if you have a (define a 42) in the file, then after loading it, if you type a RETE at the repl, you'll get 42. 22:22:57 So (define a 42) has been executed. 22:23:30 pjb: true enough. 22:23:42 -!- f8l [~f8l@83.238.58.141] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 22:24:41 -!- Articate [~Moriya@pjp-78.uio.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:24:51 -!- EbiDK [~ebi@188.114.160.148] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25:03 Articate [~Moriya@pjp-78.uio.no] has joined #scheme 22:25:13 Let me pose a scenario then, because I want to make sure that I'm not missing something fundamental. I want to run a script, from the command-line, and have it print something to stdout. So if I have a file 'test.scm' that contains (print 5), should running gsi test.scm have it print out 5? If not, what part of my understanding is flawed? 22:26:18 mdwright_laptop: Perhaps you need to flush the buffers too. 22:26:59 But indeed, if you have a print expressions at the toplevel of the file, loading it, either at the command line or from the repl should display the results of those expressions. 22:29:26 ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 22:29:40 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 22:32:14 mdwright_laptop1 [~Adium@12.238.42.3] has joined #scheme 22:32:15 -!- mdwright_laptop [~Adium@12.238.42.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:33:27 pjb: Argh. I autocompleted the filename to the old filename, and was wondering why it wasn't working. Thanks for the help! 22:33:43 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:42 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 22:40:55 how should I make this test efficient? 22:41:30 I have a table that has rows with entries. If the row and entry exists, I update it, if there's no entry but a row, I add the entry, if there is no row I add the row 22:41:56 I suppose the most efficient way would to test for the most common thing first 22:44:03 Don't worry about it. Don't lose your time with it. It doesn't matter. 22:44:25 And if you have a speed problem, use a profiler to know where the problem really is. 22:45:12 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.22.15.197] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:58 I'm just thinking in terms of not looking up the row more than one time 22:47:17 I suppose I'll first fetch the row, then see if I got something :) 22:49:04 -!- mdwright_laptop1 [~Adium@12.238.42.3] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:52:43 See - this kind of Schemeing I find fun - the one where I write more than one line an hour 22:53:03 strange for my uni assignments to be nothing but filling out the last technical part of a huge pre-written system 23:03:51 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-130-95.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 23:12:34 -!- Checkie [5191@unaffiliated/checkie] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:13:39 ymasory [~ymasory@c-76-99-55-224.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:18:11 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme 23:24:05 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 23:26:01 -!- kenjin2201 [~kenjin@58.230.108.42] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:19 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:44:17 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-130-95.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 23:45:35 brandelune [~suzume@pl571.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 23:58:44 -!- nteon [~nteon@c-98-210-195-105.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving]