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Never used it though 03:29:14 plain sql is probably faster. 03:29:18 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 03:29:22 at least if scheme ORMs are similar to SQLalchemy :-| 03:29:23 your schema is much more clear with an orm 03:29:51 but that could just be a lack of planning on someone doing pure sql 03:30:13 it's certainly more pleasant to write native code, than it is to embed sql into another language. 03:30:30 I agree 03:30:51 but usually at least for me my queries are fairly simple , and if they are not I normalize till they are 03:32:21 Checkie [6287@unaffiliated/checkie] has joined #scheme 03:34:34 offby1: but I'm not so sure how I feel about deep abstractions for stuff that is critical like that 03:34:52 the whole python orm thing really took over some people and their minds and now they can't write any sql 03:38:22 -!- ymasory_ [~ymasory@c-76-99-55-224.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:43:25 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:45:10 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@pool-68-161-84-90.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 03:50:22 smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@user-387hbid.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 03:51:19 -!- smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@user-387hbid.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Client Quit] 03:52:35 smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@user-387hbid.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 03:54:17 -!- nteon [~nteon@c-98-210-195-105.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:56:07 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme 03:57:14 most of the time I find ORMs an impediment 03:59:04 -!- smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@user-387hbid.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: smtlaissezfaire] 04:04:41 -!- ineiros [~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:10:19 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:14:18 kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #scheme 04:22:43 ineiros [~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi] has joined #scheme 04:24:16 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 04:30:34 aspect: some people look down on you if you don't use them and think your stupid 04:31:00 they are usually PHP programmers who wrote hacky sql thinking they were taking it to the next "level" and in their mind there is no good SQL 04:35:53 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: superjudge] 04:36:21 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:41:38 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 04:48:01 that's the whole point. The ORM fad seems to be driven for and by people who simply refuse to understand SQL 04:48:45 almost every ORM I've been exposed to enforces upon the programmer surrogate keys and denormalisation 04:49:14 I particularly loathe having to have integer ID columns for data that has a perfectly good natural key 04:54:10 I agree but its a good practice, many times data does not have a natural key 04:54:14 but yea orms are crap 04:56:55 hiding sql never seemed like a good idea since it was considered a generally easy language 04:59:18 it's a good practice _for data that doesn't contain a natural key_ 05:01:07 a good chunk of my work involves tracking devices which have a serial number burned into them at manufacture time. The serial number always identifies a device, and 95% + of operations involving devices specify which device they're operating on by serial number 05:02:35 I have been driven insane by systems that insert surrogate keys just so that an extra round-trip is required to store any related data, a redundant join for finding any, and a secondary index and (if you're lucky enough to be able to create it) a redundant unique constraint is required to not end up with a horrible mess 05:03:59 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:04:19 that said, SQLAlchemy does reasonably well. I tend to use the DAL and ignore the ORM layer, but it has given me some opportunities to write short and sweet code whose execution doesn't suck 05:07:31 OTOH SQLAlchemy is an infinite-tentacled monster of many more MB and layers than the value I get out of it justifies ... and a year ago I found it prone to breaking in exciting and mysterious ways if used inappropriately -- which is quite easy to do when you're not very familiar with it and careful with its use 05:08:48 i used to use sa regularly ....but no more .....its became more complicated than complex sql itself ....and that defeats the purpose :P 05:10:04 exactly 05:10:19 of course I find this common to a lot of things in python 05:10:49 yes Python started off as a community light and small but boy did it grow and so did the bloat as well 05:10:56 it seems to be a land for java refugees who just can't get away from making stacks of ridiculously convoluted and unneccessary abstractions 05:11:11 aspect: might sound crazy but if it wasn't for my learning of scheme right now I might as well use C for web dev :) 05:11:31 all of that time wasted yea 05:11:42 even the core language .. "There should be one, and only one, obvious way to do it" ... once upon a time that was probably true, but with each release the obvious way becomes something different 05:11:55 05:12:06 tbh for web dev I crave programming with types 05:12:08 I do agree 05:12:19 you mean a typed language? 05:12:24 boom, instantly encoding bugs become a thing of the past 05:12:38 programming with types like in haskell/ml 05:12:52 there is actually this C framework ish thing that is not to bad 05:13:00 I have done web programming in ocaml 05:13:21 racket has a web server framework that is quite nice .....using it now I'm sure you could use it with typed racket .... 05:13:56 I'm consistently tempted to go the Tcl path there too .. EIAS and a strong event-driven model go a long way :) 05:14:00 There is an objective C web framework to, sound crazy but the framework is as good as the abstraction the person creates 05:14:27 Jafet [~Jafet@218.111.18.76] has joined #scheme 05:14:29 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@218.111.18.76] has quit [Changing host] 05:14:30 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 05:14:30 but having to recompile your app is a pain 05:14:36 ok, keep that in mind and create an abstraction that doesn't suck in php :) 05:14:39 but there is a few C interpreters hehe 05:14:40 Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has joined #scheme 05:14:50 ah sorry misinterpreted context :) 05:15:21 thanks for the rant, but I do have some work distracting me atm :) 05:15:23 I used PHP for a while and boy I get a bit of nostalgia from the syntax but its a horrible language 05:15:27 and I mean that respectfully 05:16:07 yea hehe atleast I know I'm not alone aspect into thinking why don't we just use sql for this simple stuff and php does suck :P 05:19:27 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:19:34 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:20:49 kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #scheme 05:36:16 aspect: You can get rid of encoding problems with a dynamically typed system in the same way you would with a statically typed one, except that type errors would happen at runtime, of course. In fact, standard HM type system doesn't help you avoid creating new wrapper types. 05:39:09 I don't want to avoid creating types -- I want to use types to ensure html-encoded, form-encoded, url-encoded and sql-encoded data all go through the correct input and output filters, without burdening the programmer with remembering what to use when and where 05:40:01 So? With a dynamically typed system you'd do the same thing. 05:44:08 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 05:44:50 I don't think static/dynamic is the right distinction here 05:47:01 -!- specbot [~specbot@common-lisp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:47:33 aspect: Right, so as long as you have a language with the ability to define new types you should be able to do the same thing. 05:47:41 Even in python... 05:47:54 I want a 05:48:19 excuse me, ssh session interrupted :) 05:48:55 you're right, in principle it's possible to do this in python ... 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We did specifically ask for feedback from the SC (which includes most major implementors) and got some initial feedback before the draft was made public. 07:45:26 excuse me if I'm wrong, but there are 5 people on the steering committee, no? 07:48:26 Oh, yeah, somehow I was thinking there were more (maybe there are more on the list). 07:49:04 I specifically sent a mail to the racket list and no one responded. 07:49:43 Regardless, everything in WG1 is already implemented and/or trivial to implement. 07:50:14 yeah, i think the comment might apply more to wg2 07:50:45 *wingo* still needs to sit down with the draft. but hey, i'm buying a printer today, so maybe i'll do it the old-fashioned way :) 07:50:49 Hm, The Litter Schemer is a strange book. 07:50:50 There's no public Chez list is there? 07:50:52 A very strange format 07:51:06 foof: not that i've seen. a strange project, that! 07:51:26 1985 called and would like its business model back ;) 07:53:13 Well, if it makes income for Dybvig with minimal effort I suppose that's fine. 07:54:37 sure. 07:54:39 But I honestly don't see how people can even consider Chez in any sort of standards committee. 07:55:24 why do you say that? 07:56:13 It's just not part of the community in any way that I can see. 07:56:38 well there is tspl, and all of dybvig's papers 07:56:50 and psyntax of course, though its worth is debatable 07:56:52 :) 07:57:14 i have learned a lot from dybvig's work, and am thankful for that. 07:58:41 That's Dybvig, not Chez. 07:59:54 I'd definitely like more input from Dybvig. 08:00:07 Hmm.. I like how they give wrong answers and challenge reader in TLS 08:00:17 foof: sure, i guess that's what i meant 08:01:47 stis [~stis@host-90-235-42-55.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #scheme 08:02:07 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 08:07:19 -!- Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:08:15 Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has joined #scheme 08:10:07 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-49-168.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:10:43 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-49-168.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 08:15:28 -!- monqy [~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hello] 08:26:42 -!- alinrus [~alinrus@unaffiliated/alinrus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:33:58 thomanil [~Adium@ti0165a340-dhcp0652.bb.online.no] has joined #scheme 08:35:32 -!- thomanil [~Adium@ti0165a340-dhcp0652.bb.online.no] has left #scheme 08:43:35 thomanil [~Adium@ti0165a340-dhcp0652.bb.online.no] has joined #scheme 08:47:10 -!- thomanil [~Adium@ti0165a340-dhcp0652.bb.online.no] has quit [Client Quit] 08:49:19 -!- xale [~xale@2001:4b98:dc0:51:216:3eff:fef2:58dd] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:50:35 xale [~xale@2001:4b98:dc0:51:216:3eff:fef2:58dd] has joined #scheme 09:07:08 thomanil [~Adium@ti0165a340-dhcp0652.bb.online.no] has joined #scheme 09:13:59 -!- thomanil [~Adium@ti0165a340-dhcp0652.bb.online.no] has left #scheme 09:17:38 what are structs good for in scheme? 09:18:21 I really never used them much at all and when I did 5 years ago in C I'm not sure if I fully understood the whole concept and each language allows for them to do more things than others. 09:19:05 In C++ If I recall structs could have functions and everything but in other languages they were usually restricted to just identifiers 09:20:24 gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has joined #scheme 09:20:39 In Scheme structs are usefull for.. well, grouping data 09:20:55 in scheme a function (pax the discussion about procedures and functions) is just another value, so the distinction is not so important 09:21:04 For example, you have (struct matrix ...) and you can write (add-matrix matrix1 matrix2) 09:21:44 Well in C, IIRC, structs can have function pointers. 09:22:02 They can 09:22:11 makeshift OO 09:22:27 http://docs.racket-lang.org/guide/define-struct.html 09:22:57 Yea I was reading this right now 09:23:12 I was just curious if schemers heavily used structs or if it was something that was not used all that much 09:23:54 you can also use structs to define Haskell/ML style variant types. http://docs.racket-lang.org/plai/plai-scheme.html?q=define-type#%28form._%28%28lib._plai/main..rkt%29._define-type%29%29 ; I'm not sure if there is a more "standard" example. 09:23:56 http://tinyurl.com/3denqov 09:25:43 a struct in many ways is used for the same thing I use classes for in many languages 09:26:00 not sure if thats a bad thing or good but I never just got around to really fully understanding their benefit 09:26:56 classes are different, actually 09:27:09 read the approporite chapter in racket guide if you are interesed 09:27:21 plus, scheme doesnt have standart class system 09:27:56 I thought it did? 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14:54:07 -!- pyrony [~epic@99-105-56-162.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:58:39 bweaver [~user@host-68-169-175-225.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 15:06:55 ymasory [~ymasory@frank.ldc.upenn.edu] has joined #scheme 15:07:27 -!- edw [~user@70-89-62-209-philadelphia-panjde.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:09:43 ckrailo [~ckrailo@208.86.167.249] has joined #scheme 15:10:39 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 15:17:06 pyrony [~epic@70-0-211-190.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #scheme 15:17:34 Does anyone know how to actually load a PKG-file (CREF) with MIT-Scheme? 15:23:42 Does scheme according to the spec return a from 'A in the reader? 15:26:26 Septimus [~Moriya@pjp-78.uio.no] has joined #scheme 15:26:38 hello schemers 15:26:46 -!- Septimus is now known as Articate 15:28:22 attila_lendvai_ [~ati@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 15:30:00 -!- attila_lendvai_ is now known as attilalendvai 15:31:16 -!- attilalendvai [~ati@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Client Quit] 15:32:35 pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 15:39:02 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-103-171.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:39:29 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-103-171.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 15:42:56 scheme is so strange! 15:43:13 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-103-171.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:43:17 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-103-171.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 15:43:47 mysterious is a better word 15:43:49 Articate: this is relative. 15:48:17 I'm sure a hermaphrodite is relatively strange, too - doesn't make it any better :p 15:48:45 That's why your qualification is not entirely correct: scheme IS better. 15:49:09 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:50:09 That was pertaining to the hermaphrodite. I'm sure it's all relative. 15:50:37 -!- pyrony [~epic@70-0-211-190.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:50:47 Yes, but scheme is better, relatively to most other programming languages. 15:51:01 (There might be some exceptions such as Common Lisp or Haskell). 15:52:12 Always? 15:52:21 Yes, always. 15:53:45 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 15:53:58 interesting. 16:10:15 pyrony [~epic@office1.klout.com] has joined #scheme 16:11:57 learning scheme has made me think other languages are strange... 16:12:09 certainty_work [~david@port-4556.pppoe.wtnet.de] has joined #scheme 16:12:54 pjb: scheme isn't strictly better, no. 16:13:47 f8l [~f8l@77-255-18-191.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #scheme 16:13:50 how should I represent a directed acyclic graph in code? 16:14:01 using hash tables? 16:14:30 rramsden [~rramsden@s64-180-62-209.bc.hsia.telus.net] has joined #scheme 16:15:09 rien: depends on your usage pattern. 16:16:55 -!- certainty_work [~david@port-4556.pppoe.wtnet.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17:09 pjb: I'm coding an outliner editor 16:17:25 that means there'll be lots of adding, deleting, editing, and moving of nodes 16:17:38 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:18:05 A DAG is a tree. 16:18:41 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 16:19:23 rien: how do you identify the nodes? By path? Or by direct reference to the nodes? 16:19:39 well, ok. but I need the ability of having more than one parent for a child. that's why I say I need a DAG. 16:19:46 Ok. 16:20:37 does that answer your previous question? 16:20:42 But still, the question is how you find your nodes. 16:20:46 oh 16:21:17 well, the way the nodes will be navigated will be you start with the root and then you can see its children, you click on a child and you see its children, and so on. 16:21:32 One of the roots, you mean? 16:21:48 -!- hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22:00 I'm indifferent to whether there should be one or many roots, if that's what you ask. 16:22:17 however I also need to be able to have a node-and-its-children be a child of several parents, as I said. 16:22:18 If a child of the "root" has several parents... 16:22:49 And don't you need to list the parents of a node, to be able to go up to one or another? 16:23:27 I don't know, that's what I'm trying to figure out. 16:23:36 That's why I'm asking. 16:24:15 In any case, the delicate part, is that when you move sub-dags, to be sure to keep the invariant: to avoid creating cycles. 16:24:38 I don't think I really need to list the parents of a node, because there'll only be a "going up" with respect to the parent I selected on the interface. 16:25:18 yes, I think I can avoid cycles by not allowing a "cloned" node (one with many parents) to contain a clone of itself 16:25:32 (I gotta go have lunch now, my wife will be mad :) ) 16:25:32 brb 16:31:32 monqy [~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 16:32:20 -!- rramsden [~rramsden@s64-180-62-209.bc.hsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:33:46 rramsden [~rramsden@s64-180-62-209.bc.hsia.telus.net] has joined #scheme 16:43:38 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-208-142.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:50:21 jewel [~jewel@196-209-224-248.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 16:52:19 sstrickl [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 17:03:22 -!- EM03 [~dfsdfdsf@unaffiliated/em03] has quit [Quit: EM03] 17:04:40 pjb: sorry about that 17:05:36 pjb: the way I'll handle that delicate part is just that I'll disallow a cloned node to contain a clone of itself. I hope this terminology makes sense, I'm borrowing it from Leo Outliner 17:08:34 This is no good. 17:08:43 why? 17:09:10 You said you wanted to move nodes. I assume this includes the subtree. So you detach the node from one of its parent, and attach it to another parent. 17:09:33 that's correct 17:10:05 Or, since a node can have several parents, you may even attach it to a new parent, without detaching it first. 17:10:15 In both cases, you may introduce a loop. 17:11:12 Happily, if a cycle in introduced, it will pass thru the new edge. But you still need to check that the new parent is not amongst the children of the moved node. 17:11:36 that's correct too. and the way I would make sure a loop doesn't occur would be to do what Leo does: disallow a cloned node (i.e. a node with many parents) to contain (i.e. have as a child) a clone of itself. 17:12:07 are you saying this approach that I described is insufficient? 17:12:13 Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 17:12:47 the word "clone" is meaningless here. 17:13:20 And it doesn't depend on the number of parents. 17:13:41 You could detach the node from all the parent, and try to attach it to one of its children. Bing! 17:16:26 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-208-142.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:16:59 hmm, ok. 17:17:12 well, let's go back to the implementation for a bit. 17:17:34 Well, almost any implementation may be used. Just be sure to encapsulate it in a functional abstraction. 17:18:19 You could just have structures with the node information and the list of children. 17:18:34 But anything else could do. 17:19:12 The only question is whether you need to navigate back to the parents from a given node. In this case you may want to keep a list of parents in the node too. 17:19:41 so each node being a dictionary would do? It sounds ok to me. 17:19:50 Yes. 17:20:12 pjb: regarding your last statement, I've found a stackoverflow thread that recommends using two dictionaries"one for incoming edges and one for outgoing ones." 17:20:39 jcowan [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 17:21:11 If you don't need to navigate upward, it's a complexity you can avoid. But when you need to be able to navigate, it's quite nice to have the links in both dirrections. 17:21:30 can i ask why scheme chooses to be functionally impure, with set! and the like? is it just that purity makes certain programs harder to write? 17:21:41 clsmith: yes. 17:21:51 thanks 17:22:00 When Scheme was invented, pure functional languages were I think unheard-of. 17:22:08 clsmith: there are a lot of algorithms that work with state. 17:22:36 pjb: thanks for the help, I'll do some more thinking from here and play around with both kinds of implementations. 17:22:43 In particular, the provision of SET! rather than ML-style boxes was an implementation decision. 17:22:52 That stuck. 17:22:59 clsmith: also, there is no functional processor: when you want to implement low-level stuff, you have to include state mutation. 17:24:22 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 17:24:30 sstrickl [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 17:25:28 EM03 [~dfsdfdsf@cpe-65-186-205-111.insight.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 17:25:28 -!- EM03 [~dfsdfdsf@cpe-65-186-205-111.insight.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 17:25:28 EM03 [~dfsdfdsf@unaffiliated/em03] has joined #scheme 17:25:35 -!- mdmkolbe [~adamsmd@2001:18e8:2:244:212:3fff:fe43:5290] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:27:42 *bremner_* builds a monad machine 17:28:09 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-208-142.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 17:34:48 erjiang [~erjiang@adsl-108-85-5-191.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 17:34:59 Is there a particular mime-type to use with Scheme source code? 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