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So I'd like to write 00:50:39 (match s-exp 00:50:39 (`(if ,if-pred ,if-true ,if-false) (:export if? if-pred if-true) ) 00:51:39 (note I just made up the above syntax based on PLT's match) 00:53:26 -!- beelike [~maln@78-0-195-235.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:54:27 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-173-095-173-064.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:55:54 can't you just factor out the "match" into a function that does the matching? Then use that function more than onc? 00:55:55 once? 01:01:45 I could write 01:01:45 (define (if-exp? exp) 01:01:45 (match exp 01:02:11 geoffhill [~geoffhill@wireless-165-124-144-212.nuwlan.northwestern.edu] has joined #scheme 01:03:30 sure 01:04:01 so is there a canonical thing to do here ?? 01:04:28 *shrug* 01:07:04 -!- pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-4dbecbe4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:07:14 pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-d9bfc848.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 01:07:24 it just seems this comes up all the time in writing toy interpreters, and I'm trying to reduce the unbearable ugliness of my code ... 01:07:32 well, thanks 01:10:22 flonum: I'm confused, why are you using quasiquote there? 01:11:35 PLT's match lets you use quasiquote to define patterns 01:12:19 x, y, and z will be bound to the parts of the if-expression 01:12:26 can't you do something like (define (parse-if exp) (match exp (('if pred cons exp) (list 'success pred cons exp)) (else 'fail))) 01:13:57 you could do that I guess 01:14:15 but the representation is almost the same as the original 01:14:42 so you'll still have to destructure later in almost the same way 01:14:51 ijp this code is correct? 01:15:17 although you did gain the ability to change the language syntax I guess 01:15:33 -!- Kerris [~Kerris@113.28.45.129] has quit [Quit: Kerris] 01:15:57 flonum: it's destructed in the body of the clause, or you want it bound somewhere else? 01:16:15 yeah, both 01:16:47 i use lambda for everything 01:16:49 you want to be able to define an if-pattern somewhere, then use this pattern in the match and get the same bindings without having to write down the whole pattern again 01:17:25 that would be sublime 01:29:21 -!- replore [~replore@ntkngw592034.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:33:08 -!- rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:33:40 rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #scheme 01:35:17 replore_ [~replore@ntkngw592034.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 01:35:30 -!- FunkyDrummer [~RageOfTho@users-146-140.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 01:36:44 FunkyDrummer [~RageOfTho@users-146-140.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 01:37:52 flonum: racket lets you write your own match expander, maybe you can write an unhygenic one? 01:39:11 (define-match-expander if* (lambda (stx) (syntax-case stx () ((if*) (datum->syntax #'if* '(list 'if pred cons alt)))))) 01:39:18 then (match '(if 1 2 3)((if*) (list 'success pred cons alt))(else 'fail)) 01:39:48 hmm 01:39:50 -!- replore_ [~replore@ntkngw592034.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:40:37 I will have to try to understand those transformers 01:44:11 -!- FunkyDrummer [~RageOfTho@users-146-140.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:45:50 it seems like you'd get the right behaviour (ability to define first-class patterns, basically ?) but it looks a bit horrifying, especially as you'd want to wrap the whole thing in another macro ('define-pattern ?) ... 01:45:55 cool though, thanks 01:49:02 milli [~milli@rasler.acmeps.com] has joined #scheme 01:49:08 flonum: It's syntax so not first class... 01:50:03 you're right, sorry 01:50:47 -!- Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:52:44 so you can't pass it as an argument, but at least you can factor out your pattern definitions 01:58:21 -!- mojavy [~takayuki@softbank126120241177.bbtec.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:59:35 groovy2shoes [~guv@unaffiliated/groovebot] has joined #scheme 01:59:44 -!- jesusito [~user@203.pool85-54-36.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:00:07 -!- Somnium [~user@184.42.15.21] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:04:12 lisp it's more powerfull language! =D 02:04:15 erider [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/erider] has joined #scheme 02:04:20 lisp Scheme is a better! 02:05:24 are there any scheme malware analysis tools out there? 02:07:08 klutometis: That's because mistie sucks. I think maybe last time I fixed those manually, but there's basically no workaround. 02:07:22 I'll switch it to the Chibi documentation system soon enough. 02:09:50 -!- rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:10:07 rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #scheme 02:16:47 -!- incubot [incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:17:29 incubot [incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has joined #scheme 02:20:25 -!- groovy2shoes [~guv@unaffiliated/groovebot] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21:41 groovy2shoes [~guv@unaffiliated/groovebot] has joined #scheme 02:23:27 -!- Phao [pedro-hen@187.91.117.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:24:04 Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has joined #scheme 02:26:36 replore [~replore@ntkngw592034.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 02:34:08 -!- replore [~replore@ntkngw592034.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:34:49 SeanTAllen [~SeanTAlle@cpe-98-14-83-126.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:34:59 -!- SeanTAllen [~SeanTAlle@cpe-98-14-83-126.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 02:54:32 -!- emporas [~emporas@athedsl-168289.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:03:14 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:05:06 rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has joined #scheme 03:08:40 hiyuh [~hiyuh@KD113151162160.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 03:13:52 -!- rumina [~rumina@88-148-219-26.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:15:49 czakian [~czakian@c-98-223-184-248.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:16:15 -!- czakian [~czakian@c-98-223-184-248.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:16:36 czakian [~czakian@c-98-223-184-248.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:16:55 -!- czakian [~czakian@c-98-223-184-248.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:18:37 shardz [~samuel@ilo.staticfree.info] has joined #scheme 03:18:51 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c72ce0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 03:20:24 -!- geoffhill [~geoffhill@wireless-165-124-144-212.nuwlan.northwestern.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:24:25 mg4001 [~sv4001@75.84.150.52] has joined #scheme 03:30:51 -!- pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-d9bfc848.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:31:01 pygospa [~TheRealPy@95.119.191.101] has joined #scheme 03:37:09 -!- Lemonator [~kniu@DOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:43:22 geoffhill [~geoffhill@wireless-165-124-144-212.nuwlan.northwestern.edu] has joined #scheme 03:43:45 geoffhill_ [~geoffhill@wireless-165-124-144-212.nuwlan.northwestern.edu] has joined #scheme 03:43:45 -!- geoffhill [~geoffhill@wireless-165-124-144-212.nuwlan.northwestern.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:43:45 -!- geoffhill_ is now known as geoffhill 03:44:08 -!- erider [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/erider] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 03:44:34 erider [~chatzilla@pool-108-3-149-46.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 03:44:59 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 03:45:31 have open source chicken scheme lisp codes for study!? 03:45:55 B4R0N: Sure. Just download the Chicken source distribution. 03:46:09 B4R0N: You will have more code to study than you ever thought you needed. ;-) 03:46:22 If that's not enough, download the Racket sources too. But, that's no longer Chicken. 03:46:47 B4R0N: You should also browse Eggs Unlimited. 03:46:53 Lots of eggs for you to study also. 03:48:12 -!- groovy2shoes [~guv@unaffiliated/groovebot] has quit [Quit: groovy2shoes] 03:49:45 cky thanks.. i beginner!! 03:52:07 -!- geoffhill [~geoffhill@wireless-165-124-144-212.nuwlan.northwestern.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:54:10 -!- peddie [~peddie@18.181.2.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:56:03 :-) 04:00:01 cky: has much code oO 04:00:28 :-) 04:00:29 cky thanks! 04:01:17 kniu [~kniu@DOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 04:01:45 bipt [~bpt@user-0c8h24l.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 04:03:11 -!- kniu [~kniu@DOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Client Quit] 04:06:56 -!- erider [~chatzilla@pool-108-3-149-46.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:06:56 erider [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/erider] has joined #scheme 04:07:18 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:08:47 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme 04:10:20 peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 04:10:47 -!- tupi [~david@189.60.162.71] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:13:50 -!- ckrailo [~ckrailo@pool-71-170-15-148.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 04:17:04 -!- flonum [~ben@24-138-98-109.zing-net.ca] has left #scheme 04:25:44 i have something to say .. 04:25:51 I really enjoyed scheme lisp ! 04:26:07 -!- erider [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/erider] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:26:43 amazing! 04:26:43 B4R0N: \o/ 04:26:48 Glad you like. :-) 04:27:14 =D 04:28:27 Bahman [~Bahman@2.144.218.166] has joined #scheme 04:29:00 Hi all! 04:30:46 -!- saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@fsf/member/saiko-chriskun] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 04:38:27 mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:41:39 -!- hiyuh [~hiyuh@KD113151162160.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has left #scheme 04:54:13 lol. I have enjoyed scheme so far also! 04:55:30 saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@fsf/member/saiko-chriskun] has joined #scheme 04:55:31 realitygrill: It seemed to me -a few minutes of research though- that Scheme has a smaller and cleaner syntax. Is that right? 04:55:53 so I'm told 04:56:08 it seems so, but I haven't really touched CL either.. 04:57:05 *realitygrill* is a little concerned about using Racket vs some other Scheme, too, but it should be ok.. 04:58:10 realitygrill: What's wrong with Racket? 04:58:41 cky: nothing! apparently it's different though? (of course, I can just select the language..) 04:59:31 copumpkin [~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 04:59:31 Each implementation is different from every other. That's life. ;-) 04:59:31 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 04:59:31 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 05:01:43 I'm also really bored with htdp2e so far and wondering whether to just go with SICP 05:03:18 rramsden [~rramsden@s64-180-62-209.bc.hsia.telus.net] has joined #scheme 05:03:53 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 05:05:05 jrt4 [~jrtaylori@207-118-124-229.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #scheme 05:07:01 -!- jrtayloriv [~jrtaylori@207-118-110-73.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:08:33 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:09:37 realitygrill: Hahahahahaha. 05:09:52 realitygrill: Sure, SICP is worth a try. Lemme know how it compares with HtDP. :-) 05:12:20 *realitygrill* expects to crash and burn, but hey, the first few pages look great 05:13:42 Set your expectations a little better. Expect to thoroughly enjoy the adventure. :-) 05:14:26 an adventure of the mind and spirit! 05:14:38 *realitygrill* cradles the book 05:15:03 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:15:38 That's right. :-D 05:16:51 how did you learn scheme, cky? 05:18:01 -!- saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@fsf/member/saiko-chriskun] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 05:18:21 I learnt Scheme by reading R5RS. 05:18:34 (Yes, that is a serious comment.) 05:19:24 ... 05:20:42 ok, I have heard of that before, and also heard that it's clear to read 05:20:54 but on the face of it, that just looks like an awesome statement 05:21:21 R5RS is a specific revision of the Scheme standard. 05:21:34 not cowabunga!-awesome but awe-inspiring awesome 05:21:40 Hahahahaha. :-) 05:21:49 you learned it by reading a standard!? a standard. 05:22:02 ;_; 05:22:30 Yes. Yes, I did. 05:23:18 ok, now that is reminiscent of The Most Awesome Hacker News Comment Ever (tm) 05:23:22 Lol. 05:23:53 When I need to know answers, I hunt for the standard where available. I have PDF copies of the C++, Java, and (draft) Ruby standards, for example. 05:24:13 I mean, yes, one can search the web, but how do you know it's correct? With the standard, there is (usually) no doubt. :-) 05:24:38 perhaps I don't understand what is specified in a standard (I would guess it's like a spec) 05:24:45 realitygrill: Yes, it's a spec. 05:25:19 realitygrill: It's supposed to be written in "standardese" (but Scheme's standards are less standardesey, so people tend to find it more approachable). 05:25:23 aren't most of those huge? 05:25:26 yeah, ok 05:25:43 Yes, usually huge. R5RS is tiny by comparison (50 pages). 05:26:18 -!- rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:27:28 rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #scheme 05:28:48 Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #scheme 05:29:40 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #scheme 05:32:03 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:32:13 copumpkin [~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 05:32:14 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 05:32:14 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 05:32:33 mojavy [~takayuki@softbank126120241177.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 05:36:15 -!- jrt4 [~jrtaylori@207-118-124-229.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:38:52 maybe i'll do that later 05:39:43 Hehehehe. :-) 05:40:38 -!- rien 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R5RS Scheme doesn't have sets. 10:09:17 Well, I don't need a `set' implementation, I just want to remove all duplicate items from a list and I am curious if there is a library/built-in function or that 10:09:37 masm [~masm@bl19-155-207.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 10:09:38 because I don't want to bloat code with functions duplicating library functionality 10:10:09 that depends from your implementation. 10:10:18 for example, racket has remove-duplicates in racket/list. 10:10:49 emporas [~emporas@athedsl-168289.home.otenet.gr] has joined #scheme 10:14:19 -!- rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:15:02 EbiDK [~ebi@3e6b7ac3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #scheme 10:15:24 rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #scheme 10:18:40 -!- stis__ [~stis@host-95-197-198-108.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:19:18 -!- peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 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12:14:56 i hava a doubt 12:15:52 let let* 12:16:11 differences?? 12:17:59 r5rs should say what they are 12:19:22 And give an example, too, it seems. 12:19:36 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-249-242-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:23:46 thx 12:24:11 -!- peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:27:57 peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 12:31:34 someone 12:31:48 give as example of for each .. 12:32:20 give me an example* 12:32:28 r5 has plenty examples 12:32:58 I think letrec is the funny one. 12:33:12 yeah 12:33:14 There might be more examples in books (like SICP) 12:33:35 B4R0N: do you have some book you are learning scheme from? 12:34:34 i download http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/r5rs.pdf 12:34:38 now 12:35:12 I thought not let in summary 12:35:30 bremner_ i see http://www.cs.hut.fi/Studies/T-93.210/schemetutorial/schemetutorial.html 12:35:56 bremner_ in this part http://www.cs.hut.fi/Studies/T-93.210/schemetutorial/node4.html 12:36:50 i'am java developer 12:37:28 That doesn't look bad either. Scheme may need a bit of careful thinking about things when learning :) 12:37:40 -!- peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:41:07 yes ..i read five times a if example..to discover.. how it works 12:41:12 peddie [~peddie@18.181.2.107] has joined #scheme 12:41:52 another place to look is http://www.scheme.com/tspl4/binding.html#./binding:s18 12:42:07 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-171-174.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:45:03 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-112-241.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 263 seconds] 12:48:08 bremner_ this is har (for me) .. i will read again (again again again...) 12:48:14 thanks .. 12:48:19 hard* 12:55:59 -!- choas [~lars@p578F668E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:57:33 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c72ce0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 12:57:50 choas [~lars@p578F668E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 12:59:49 -!- drdo 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17:29:20 Of course, there are also a few big hash-tables, for them you better use hash-tables... 17:29:37 big hash tables are faster than big alists/plists. 17:29:41 so, if data set is huge, use hash table? 17:29:54 If your profiler says that hash tables are faster, then use hash tables! 17:30:08 If your profiler says that alists or plists are faster, use those instead! 17:30:18 If your profiler tells you nothing, You're Doing It Wrong(tm). 17:30:23 I have a dictionary abstraction that switch between either automatically. 17:30:24 hahahha 17:30:27 (But it's in CL). 17:30:41 i like that idea pjb 17:31:42 what are the variables for choosing either one? 17:31:50 size and type? 17:32:26 alists can contain severral keys with different values 17:32:31 while hash-tables cant 17:32:32 Run both and see which finishes first :) 17:33:05 -!- dzhus [~sphinx@95-27-255-60.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33:50 -!- gravicappa 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(Do you know C, or C#, or Java?) 21:43:53 (let* ((x ...) (y ...)) ...) is (let ((x ...)) (let ((y ...)) ...)) 21:44:06 i know java c/c++ 21:44:10 (let ((x ...) (y ...)) ...) introduces `x' and `y' as local variable in `...' 21:44:15 *variables 21:44:23 i dont have ten years old 21:44:54 lisp has been difficult for me .. 21:46:15 it's different for all programming lenguage ... 21:47:41 B4R0N, you should try reading htdp or some other book first. 21:48:04 a good example of how you might use let* is: (let* ([x 5] [y (+ x x)]) body) 21:48:12 in c : for(int x =0 ; x > 10; i++){body} translate it for lisp 21:48:38 you could use a named let 21:48:58 (syntax-error "i is not bound") :P 21:49:16 where is a error? 21:49:40 (let loop ([x 0]) body (loop (add1 x)) 21:49:40 it was a joke 21:49:43 or more seriously (do ((x 0 (+ x 1))) ((> x 10)) body ...) 21:50:29 in this example: (let* ((x ...) (y ...)) ...) 21:50:57 x and y are going to be flown 21:52:34 rudybot: (for ([i (in-range 10)]) (printf "Hello, ~a~%" i)) 21:52:35 *offby1: .oO("why not use in-range directly?" .... heh) 21:52:37 rudybot: eval (for ([i (in-range 10)]) (printf "Hello, ~a~%" i)) 21:52:37 *offby1: ; stdout: "Hello, 0\nHello, 1\nHello, 2\nHello, 3\nHello, 4\nHello, 5\nHello, 6\nHello, 7\nHello, 8\nHello, 9\n" 21:52:55 for loops considered I don't like them. 21:52:58 -!- zmv [~daniel@c9533906.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:53:37 rudybot: eval (for/list ([i (in-range 10)]) (format "Hello, ~a" i)) 21:53:37 *offby1: ; Value: ("Hello, 0" "Hello, 1" "Hello, 2" "Hello, 3" "Hello, 4" "Hello, 5" "Hello, 6" "Hello, 7" "Hello, 8" "Hello, 9") 21:53:38 -!- peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:53:41 subtly different 21:53:56 -!- mmc [~michal@82-148-210-75.fiber.unet.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:54:36 rudybot: eval (for/fold ([result '()]) ([i (in-range 10)]) (cons (format "Hello, ~a" i) result)) 21:54:36 *offby1: ; Value: ("Hello, 9" "Hello, 8" "Hello, 7" "Hello, 6" "Hello, 5" "Hello, 4" "Hello, 3" "Hello, 2" "Hello, 1" "Hello, 0") 21:54:41 even more subtly different 21:56:18 I suggest that you guys e-book? 21:56:25 peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 21:57:50 *offby1* stares blankly 21:58:18 rudybot: t8 en es B4R0N: I, rudybot, can translate many languages 21:58:18 *offby1: B4R0N: Yo, rudybot, puede traducir varios idiomas 21:58:33 for loops considered I don't really like them. 21:58:39 rudybot: what are your recommendations? 21:58:39 ijp: "How to make the most of your RMS: Recommendations on how to setup the venue" 21:59:08 heh 21:59:13 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 21:59:18 rudybot: do you think we put too much emphasis on functional programming? 21:59:19 *offby1: rather than an emphasis thing 22:00:02 -!- peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:01:47 ok 22:02:46 -!- mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:07:32 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-182-93.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 22:11:31 -!- choas [~lars@p578F668E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:13:10 So (display ...) prints out text, what's the procedure for input? I'm horribly confused by all this I/O port stuff :S 22:14:32 mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:14:57 -!- erider [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/erider] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:15:08 AtnNn [~welcome@modemcable060.239-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 22:16:16 rumina: read & write 22:18:07 rumina: it's pretty simple, actually, there are a bunch of procedures that send data _to_ a port (display is one such), and a bunch that read data _from_ a port (read and write, e.g.) 22:18:18 like any other programming language. 22:18:21 rumina: http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-9.html#%_sec_6.6 22:18:21 http://tinyurl.com/3f2se39 22:21:26 thanks guys 22:28:11 lbsc5 [~jens@p4FE2923F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 22:29:14 foof: I take it that read-string(-n) and read-line are being left to WG2? 22:30:11 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:30:41 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-182-93.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:31:42 I see a ticket, but it wasn't responded to ... 22:35:50 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-146-140.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:35:51 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-140.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:36:21 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-146-140.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 22:37:06 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-140.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 22:37:19 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:37:37 em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #scheme 22:37:57 -!- mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:40:39 -!- astertronistic [~astertron@be-sun10.ic.ucsc.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:42:48 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:43:43 em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #scheme 22:50:19 heelo out there 22:50:36 sorry, hello out there 22:51:25 hope, there is one drscheme-user can help me a little bit. 22:51:43 Broa [~Broa@235.Red-83-36-190.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 22:56:32 I hope so, too. 22:56:47 (you know there's a #racket channel for questions specific to racket, yes?) 22:57:01 He's right, you know 22:58:54 brandelune [~suzume@pl571.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 22:59:33 -!- brandelune [~suzume@pl571.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 22:59:34 uuuuups, ok i havnt seen the racket-channel. ok i go to the racket-channel. have a nice day and good bye. 22:59:58 well. it depends on the question. Is it about the gui? 23:00:33 rudybot: When did you start speaking unbidden? 23:00:34 ijp: are you speaking of the faculty or the students ;) 23:00:48 rudybot: which are you? 23:00:48 ijp: which is the opposite of the stated (although possibly not the actual) goal of the patent system 23:01:38 -!- lbsc5 [~jens@p4FE2923F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #scheme 23:11:17 ymasory [~ymasory@wrls-249-19-185.wrls-client.fas.harvard.edu] has joined #scheme 23:13:23 My "unbidden" speech is really just a form of sock-puppetry. 23:13:26 *offby1* glances around nervously. 23:13:31 I have NO IDEA what makes him do that. 23:13:38 None! 23:15:08 ! 23:15:27 rudybot, are you being controlled by someone? 23:15:27 DT``: vc-mode doesn't detect that it's a vc controlled directory, because I'm using a symlink 23:18:06 Also, no, I'm not being controlled by anyone! I'm my own man! 23:18:11 *offby1* nods solemnly 23:18:30 DT``: the rule of thumb is: if he says something that actually makes sense, it's probably me. 23:18:32 -!- saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@fsf/member/saiko-chriskun] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 23:18:58 If on the other hand he answers with a total non-sequitur that happens to have a single word in common with the question, then that's him on his own. 23:19:08 rudybot: so if offby1 is controlling you, who is controlling offby1? 23:19:08 ijp: Which sounds uncharitable and controlling, and yet ... look at my phone: many of the third parties have indeed screwed it up 23:19:13 *rudybot* nodes solemnly 23:19:29 he's smarter than he looks. My phone controls me. 23:19:44 *rudybot* dozes slovenly 23:20:02 I'm sure that's rudybot that controls offby1. 23:20:08 and offby1 controls rudybot. 23:20:39 and it's turtles all the way down 23:21:25 tricus [~tricus@jesus.roamr.utk.edu] has joined #scheme 23:21:29 -!- jesusito [~user@203.pool85-54-36.dynamic.orange.es] has left #scheme 23:28:02 -!- rramsden [~rramsden@s64-180-62-209.bc.hsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:28:04 cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 23:34:23 -!- tricus [~tricus@jesus.roamr.utk.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35:03 bipt [~bpt@user-0c8h24l.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 23:36:39 -!- bipt [~bpt@user-0c8h24l.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:36:47 bipt [~bpt@user-0c8h24l.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 23:44:49 -!- Nshag [~none@92.143.239.218] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 23:52:42 -!- Broa [~Broa@235.Red-83-36-190.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:57:09 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme 23:58:59 alaricsp [~alaric@5ac75b10.bb.sky.com] has joined #scheme