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00:29:45 <Riastradh> I think `paredit-kill' is broken when `kill-whole-line' is t.  But I don't use `kill-whole-line', so I don't know what it's supposed to feel like.  Can anyone who sets `kill-whole-line' to t comment?
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00:34:15 <offby1> do people here know you're talking about emacs? :-\
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00:50:38 <Riastradh> offby1, if they use paredit, probably.  I think there are a few paredit users here.  But perhaps they're not alive at the moment.
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00:54:36 <klutometis> Riastradh: mine is nil, unfortunately; kill-whole-line affects the behaviour of C-k?
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00:54:42 <Riastradh> Yes, klutometis.
00:55:08 <offby1> I assume it takes the newline along with everything else
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00:55:45 <Riastradh> My understanding is that there exist some Emacs users whose skin crawls upon typing C-k when `kill-whole-line' is nil; evidently as a consequence of their existence, I wrote some code in `paredit-kill' to behave differently if `kill-whole-line' is t.  But I don't think it makes sense, and I suspect it is likely to make said users' skin crawl even more terribly.
00:56:14 <offby1> they should be easy to find.
00:56:24 <offby1> just close your eyes and listen for the gentle rustle of epidermis
00:56:59 <Riastradh> It doesn't carry very well over IRC, offby1, and I don't think there are any Emacs users within a radius of, oh, I'd say about a quarter of a mile of me.
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04:51:33 <hyungrok> Hi, has anyone here had any problems using the DrRacket IDE with Ubuntu Unity?
04:52:10 <hyungrok> It seems fine with vanilla (GNOME) Ubuntu, but seems to hang when I use Unity.
04:52:21 <hyungrok> (Unity is the new Ubuntu interface in Ubuntu 10.04)
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12:39:24 <ohwow> Hey guys, can you please "rate" my code, give me suggestions on what to improve: http://paste.lisp.org/display/121341  ?
12:44:05 <klutometis> ohwow: looks reasonably clear to me; does it also work?
12:45:17 <ohwow> Well, yes :)
12:45:35 <ohwow> I dont like all those (define iter) tho
12:46:39 <C-Keen> you can change them to named lets, but that's not changing much
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13:13:15 <pjb> ohwow: imagine if in math we wrote:  get-sin(x)²+get-cos(x)²=1
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13:14:35 <pjb> ohwow: AFAIK, using colons in symbol name is not portable.  Avoid it.  You may write ea or e-a instead of e:a.
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13:15:28 <pjb> ohwow: you may factorize out expressions: (list e (if (< 0 a) a (+ a phi)))
13:16:43 <ohwow> thanks
13:17:02 <pjb> ohwow: I don't like local define forms.  Instead of using them to implement loops (your iter functions), you may use named lets: (let loop ((i 0)) (if (< i 10) (begin (display i) (loop (+ 1 i)))))
13:17:19 <pjb> you can use any other name than loop.
13:18:14 <pjb> And I would use first second third rest with list, instead of car cadr caddr cdr, which I would reserve to cons.
13:19:02 <pjb> So either return (cons e a) and use (car ea) (cdr ea), or return (list e a) and use (first ea) (second ea) ; if you don't have them, (define first car) (define second cadr) (define third caddr) (define rest cdr) etc.
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13:20:50 <ohwow> Why?
13:21:20 <pjb> Because those terms relate to two different levels of abstraction.
13:21:38 <pjb> You have at the lowest level the pairs: cons car cdr.  And from these pairs we may build various different kind of data structures.
13:21:51 <pjb> One of these data structures are lists which are implemented as chains of pairs.
13:22:14 <pjb> list first second third rest last are functions working at the abstration level of lists.
13:22:37 <pjb> Then you could use pairs to implement binary trees.  You could have make-node left right leaf? etc.
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13:26:25 <bremner> of course first and second would be better names, even for abstract pairs
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13:31:47 <pjb> bremner: no, for abstract pairs it would be awful names.
13:31:54 <pjb> bremner: they would prejudice your.
13:32:06 <pjb> When you implement binary trees with left and right branch, there's no first or second.
13:32:22 <pjb> When you implement stack with above and below, there's no first or second.
13:32:33 <bremner> pjb: first and second are about the pair
13:32:46 <pjb> It is better to give them meaningless names.
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13:32:54 <pjb> this and that would be ok.
13:33:10 <pjb> (thiaat x) == (caddr x)
13:33:15 *bremner* pukes
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14:19:20 <dondani> I'm going through the little schemer book, and I would like to unit test my functions...
14:19:37 <dondani> I've written some simple functions for asserting results
14:19:50 <dondani> how can I require one file from another?
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14:20:42 <dondani> aparently, there is no "require" in R5RS...
14:20:50 <cky> dondani: (load "foo.scm")
14:22:29 <dondani> cky: thanks dude!
14:23:33 <cky> :-D
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14:56:19 <razieliyo> hi
14:56:44 <razieliyo> I've got this code http://paste.lisp.org/display/121345
14:56:53 <razieliyo> it's kinda simple
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14:57:25 <razieliyo> but I can't understand how it works, I can't understand why if I do (define myCont (counter 10)) and I keep calling (myCont), it increases by one
14:57:35 <razieliyo> it's like x var is static or some like that
14:58:55 <razieliyo> I know scheme has lexical scope, but, why don't I have to pass the init argument anymore? which is the mechanism that tells scheme to keep the value I gave inside the x parameter (10 in this example)?
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15:01:44 <chegibari> Hello. What's a friendly scheme implementation on Windows?
15:02:01 <razieliyo> chegibari, drscheme
15:02:36 <chegibari> thanks!
15:03:38 <chegibari> apparently it's called racket now http://racket-lang.org/
15:03:50 <razieliyo> yes, they changed the name
15:03:53 <ijp> razieliyo: The function you return keeps a reference to the environment in which it is created, and so can refer to the correct 'ini'
15:03:59 <ijp> init*
15:04:01 <razieliyo> I keep using drscheme because I'm on linux
15:04:53 <chegibari> thanks for the suggestion. I'm reading a book with lots of scheme code and wanted to check it out
15:05:42 <razieliyo> ijp, so, when I (define myCount (counter 1)) I'm telling scheme to make an identifier called myCount with the function counter and also telling it to keep the 1 value inside the copy of the function, is that it?
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15:07:29 <ijp> razieliyo: no, when you evaluate (counter 1), this returns a function. It is that function (inc in this case), that keeps a reference to the correct value of init, and is bound to myCount
15:07:43 <cky> Ah, the fun of closures. :-)
15:07:53 <razieliyo> ok, thank you really, I was getting mad with this
15:08:28 <razieliyo> but it seems to be very useful I think
15:08:37 <ijp> razieliyo: Wait till you get to continuations ;), hair pulling stuff to begin with
15:09:01 <razieliyo> hahaha writing that down
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15:21:22 <Riastradh> Boo!
15:21:29 <mejja> .com
15:21:55 <noonian> yo
15:23:05 <Riastradh> mejja, so, what have I broken now to attract your presence?
15:23:42 <razieliyo> I'm leaving, thanks again, ijp! bye!
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15:24:06 <mejja> You tell me!
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15:34:56 <Riastradh> Well, storing negative zero in a compiled object is broken, but it's been that way for...decades.
15:35:38 <mejja> ditto for imaginary-unit-j? It's ignored by the parser
15:36:31 <Riastradh> You'll have to remind me where to find that patch.
15:38:26 <chegibari> bye!
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17:57:08 <saiko-chriskun> how do you use the case expression when trying to compare strings?
17:57:53 <saiko-chriskun> I can always use cond with string=? but just wondering
17:57:53 <sjamaan> You don't :)
17:57:59 <saiko-chriskun> sjamaan: ah ok :P
17:58:28 <sjamaan> case uses eq? for comparison IIRC
17:58:36 <saiko-chriskun> right
17:58:49 <sjamaan> Just checked: it's eqv?
17:59:35 <fds> Why would one use case?  I always use cond... :-s
18:00:44 <saiko-chriskun> fds: cleaner?
18:01:00 <saiko-chriskun> with case I only have to write what I'm comparing everything to once
18:01:08 <fds> I guess it's slightly more concise when it works.
18:01:12 <saiko-chriskun> with cond I'd have to write it for every condition I'm checking
18:01:45 <sjamaan> saiko-chriskun: You can easily write a macro for it, or use alists or something
18:01:54 <saiko-chriskun> sjamaan: this is true :]
18:02:15 <sjamaan> I wrote a macro egg "generalised-case" for chicken 3 you can use
18:02:32 <sjamaan> I think nobody bothered to port it to 4 because it's not really that useful :)
18:02:36 <saiko-chriskun> heh
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18:13:56 <klutometis> sjamaan: really? i could have sworn i ported it; on the other hand, maybe you're right.
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18:20:13 <sjamaan> klutometis: I seemed to remember something like that, but I can't find it
18:20:24 <klutometis> i know you're modest about generalised-case because it was one of your first (if not *the* first) eggs; but it hits the spot once and a while.
18:20:46 <sjamaan> I think it was my very first egg
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