00:02:17 -!- saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@184-195-229-237.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:06:28 bremner [~bremner@yantan.tethera.net] has joined #scheme 00:10:25 -!- Harrold [~quassel@70.50.218.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:12:26 -!- lbc [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:55 why write 2k38 instead of 2038? 00:14:37 how do numbers work? 00:14:53 pumpkin: analogy with Y2K, apparently; the problem is also known as Y2.038K. 00:16:45 O_o 00:16:46 all of the alternatives seem to have more syllables than twenty-thirty-eight, though; which is maybe supposed to be humorously irritating, or something. 00:18:04 -!- Glav [~Glav@unaffiliated/glav] has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:18:15 Glav [~Glav@unaffiliated/glav] has joined #scheme 00:24:10 If that counts, resistors resistance are sometimes represented this way, like 5k1, 4k7 etc. 00:25:11 -!- jesusito [~user@156.pool85-49-244.dynamic.orange.es] has left #scheme 00:28:10 saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@nat-sonicnet.noisebridge.net] has joined #scheme 00:29:23 zmv [~daniel@c934ad95.virtua.com.br] has joined #scheme 00:32:27 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:45:37 -!- Glav [~Glav@unaffiliated/glav] has quit [Quit: (let ((call/cc (call/cc call/cc))) (call/cc call/cc))] 00:45:48 -!- pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:45:55 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:47:52 -!- masm [~masm@bl19-197-181.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:49:54 -!- elly [~elly@atheme/member/elly] has quit [Changing host] 00:49:55 elly [~elly@aprils/fool/1st/elly] has joined #scheme 00:51:00 -!- elly [~elly@aprils/fool/1st/elly] has quit [Changing host] 00:51:00 elly [~elly@aprils/fool/thewinningest/elly] has joined #scheme 00:52:59 -!- elly [~elly@aprils/fool/thewinningest/elly] has quit [Changing host] 00:52:59 elly [~elly@april/fools/thewinningest/elly] has joined #scheme 00:53:58 -!- elly [~elly@april/fools/thewinningest/elly] has quit [Changing host] 00:53:58 elly [~elly@fn/hey] has joined #scheme 00:54:01 -!- elly [~elly@fn/hey] has quit [Changing host] 00:54:01 elly [~elly@fn/this] has joined #scheme 00:54:03 -!- elly [~elly@fn/this] has quit [Changing host] 00:54:03 elly [~elly@fn/is] has joined #scheme 00:54:13 -!- elly [~elly@fn/is] has quit [Changing host] 00:54:13 elly [~elly@fn/fun] has joined #scheme 00:54:13 -!- elly [~elly@fn/fun] has quit [Changing host] 00:54:13 elly [~elly@april/fools/thewinningest/elly] has joined #scheme 01:02:20 -!- ckrailo [~ckrailo@208.86.167.249] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 01:05:29 hogger [hogger@c-75-72-149-162.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:05:57 say I have a list entitled bldgs, within bldgs is a list of .. buildings, each with a unique number 01:06:15 if I wanted to use list-ref to call up the bldg within the list associated with the number, how would I do that? 01:11:44 -!- evhan [~evhan@dyn-194-21.vpn.wisc.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:13:00 hogger, if the list is arranged as (list (cons number building) ...), you can use assoc: (assoc bldgs number). 01:13:30 rudybot, (assoc (list (cons 1 'one) (cons 2 'two) (cons 3 'three)) 3) 01:13:30 DT``: your sandbox is ready 01:13:31 DT``: error: assoc: not a proper list: 3 01:13:36 rudybot, (assoc 3 (list (cons 1 'one) (cons 2 'two) (cons 3 'three))) 01:13:37 DT``: ; Value: (3 . three) 01:13:40 wrong order. 01:16:39 -!- rrenaud [~rrenaud@cpe-66-108-112-118.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #scheme 01:17:59 evhan [~evhan@76-250-39-229.lightspeed.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:31:39 ckrailo [~ckrailo@utdpat242007.utdallas.edu] has joined #scheme 01:33:47 jcowan [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:50:05 -!- zmv [~daniel@c934ad95.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:54:15 20QAAFMXN [~quassel@c-68-37-188-179.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:58:34 -!- 20QAAFMXN [~quassel@c-68-37-188-179.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:05:02 -!- skeptical_p [~rononovsk@bzq-79-176-184-87.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:11:11 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@pool-68-161-107-242.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 02:14:04 hogger: There's also a shorter way to write DT``'s example. :-) 02:14:17 rudybot: (assoc 3 '((1 . one) (2 . two) (3 . three))) 02:14:18 cky: your racket sandbox is ready 02:14:18 cky: ; Value: (3 . three) 02:22:15 kenjin2201 [~kenjin@58.230.108.42] has joined #scheme 02:36:51 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:45:28 -!- xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-wonidtspgqrvapxa] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:46:31 xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-bwfidfmdpkffyzer] has joined #scheme 02:47:17 -!- ckrailo [~ckrailo@utdpat242007.utdallas.edu] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 02:49:42 -!- kenjin2201 [~kenjin@58.230.108.42] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:47 ckrailo [~ckrailo@pool-71-170-15-148.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 03:05:50 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:07:33 this is kind of funny: http://funcall.blogspot.com/2011/03/tail-recursion-and-debugging.html 03:07:51 AtnNn [~welcome@modemcable060.239-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 03:07:55 my question is, if i understand the post correctly, how did he do tail recursion in java? 03:07:59 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 03:08:02 or did i miss the point? 03:09:04 he didn't get tail recursion in java, thus making the stack trace illegible 03:09:13 klutometis: every language can do tail recursion.l 03:09:28 they just don't necessarily do tail-call elimination :) 03:09:38 Java forbids tail-call elimination. 03:10:04 jcowan does it? why? 03:10:41 Because a representation of the call stack is exposed to any program that catches an exception. 03:11:04 And the program is entitled to depend on that representation showing all active invocations. 03:11:08 offby1: indeed, indeed; i meant TCO, of course. 03:14:34 -!- pumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 03:15:55 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-144-19.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:20:50 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 03:21:14 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:24:50 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:25:49 drat 03:26:07 klutometis: my one joy in life is splitting hairs, and you would rob me of even that? Begone, sirrah 03:26:08 phooey? 03:28:19 offby1: heh; hair-splitting acknowledged. "tail recursion" for TCO is semantically lazy, and i should purge it. 03:29:24 TippenEin_ [~chatzilla@c-24-245-21-197.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:29:30 Actually, "TCO" is not the greatest term either for what Scheme requires. 03:29:35 also, "sirrah" is fantastic; i always read it in sir gielgud's voice as kind lear, so embedded is it in my neurons. 03:29:37 It's not necessarily about recursion at all. 03:29:47 You do know it's insulting? 03:29:59 klutometis: for me it's Albert the Alligator. And if you don't know him, I pity you 03:30:03 Or, at least, superior-to-inferior form of address. 03:30:15 jcowan: but of course 03:30:24 Oh, I know *you* know, offby1. 03:30:30 jcowan: indeed; like knecht or knave. 03:30:37 *jcowan* nods. 03:31:05 jcowan: although lear used it with a certain amount of endearment with his fool, didn't he? 03:31:08 "That was no lady, that was my wench." 03:31:34 Oh yes. You can feel quite positive about your inferiors, and even bring yourself down to their level for some things, a virtue known as "condescension." 03:31:38 here's a fair portrait of Albert. I have that book somewhere. http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4075/4793384702_8c7eb5d282.jpg 03:31:48 Only when equality came to be the norm did that word become the name of a vice. 03:32:01 -!- TippenEin [~chatzilla@c-24-245-21-197.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:32:05 -!- TippenEin_ is now known as TippenEin 03:43:30 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 03:44:08 radicalpumpkin [~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 03:49:25 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:50:38 -!- evhan [~evhan@76-250-39-229.lightspeed.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:52:08 evhan [~evhan@dyn-193-78.vpn.wisc.edu] has joined #scheme 03:56:07 teurastaja [~netwalker@modemcable182.177-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 03:56:50 -!- Hal9k [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:06:03 klutometis, `proper tail recursion' is the technical term used in the literature for the property that any implementation of Scheme is supposed to exhibit. `Tail call optimization' is a particular implementation strategy for it. Arranging stack frames in a chain with explicit links, and garbage-collecting them, is another. 04:06:52 And Cheney on the MTA is a third. 04:07:11 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme 04:07:18 being lazy is another 04:08:14 what is mta? 04:09:19 The former name of the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority. 04:09:24 The Metropolitan Transit Authority, the predecessor to the Massachusetts Bay Transit Authority, the organization that runs the public transit in Boston. 04:09:53 Colloquially it is known as `the T'. 04:10:04 In Cheney, you use the C stack as the first-generation heap, and when it gets too big, you copy live stuff to the heap and then longjmp() to reset the stack. 04:10:05 also, the Metropolitan Transit Authority in the New York metro area (?) 04:10:11 Yup. 04:10:17 That's a different MTA, elly. 04:10:19 Each procedure just calls the next, without ever returning. 04:10:37 jcowan, Cheney on the MTA is an instance of the second strategy I mentioned. 04:10:53 rtc (reseau de transport de la capitale (quebec (canada))) 04:11:11 Well, yes, except that the links are implicit. 04:11:38 The links are not implicit in Cheney on the MTA. 04:11:50 If they were, the stack garbage collector would be unable to find them. 04:12:30 I don't think Chicken requires the frame-pointer to be saved. 04:13:16 Got any excerpts of C generated by Chicken handy to lisppaste for example? (I don't.) 04:13:55 do you sometimes sit back and read this thinking what would an outsider think? 04:13:56 Nope. 04:16:06 i mean, an outsider would probably think you want to shoot a chicken 04:17:06 Yes, -fomit-frame-pointer *is* supported. So the links are implicit. 04:17:43 oh 04:18:02 lisppaste: url 04:18:03 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme and enter your paste. 04:18:55 -!- Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:19:43 foof pasted "sample chicken output" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/121059 04:20:07 why did scsh die? 04:20:41 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 04:21:23 jcowan, those are different links, sometimes used by the implementation of C but not exposed to C programs. Chicken uses explicit links for its continuation frames. 04:21:55 teurastaja: Something happened to the author. 04:22:08 he died? 04:22:22 killed himself? 04:22:32 No, that wasn't what happened; I've talked to him. 04:22:42 -!- dlila [~dlila@CPE0014d1c9243c-CM001bd71cede2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:22:52 kidnapped? 04:23:00 Hardly. 04:23:06 I'm not trying to be mysterious; I don't know what it was. 04:23:36 -!- felipe [~felipe@unaffiliated/felipe] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:23:41 Also, happy internet credulity day. 04:23:49 Riastradh: thanks; "proper tail recursion" is the title of r5rs s. 3.5, i just found out: . 04:23:50 http://tinyurl.com/ydd8get 04:24:26 jcowan: tell him to continue 04:25:10 I don't know him that well. 04:25:40 what have you talked to him about? 04:26:20 A little bit about R7RS, and something about a common acquaintance of ours. We agreed on our assessment of him. 04:26:25 who cares you know him: its about scsh! 04:27:06 jcowan, in the line `t3=(*a...);' from foof's lisppaste, `a[3]=t1' establishes an explicit link from the continuation t3 to its parent t1. 04:27:27 Ah, thanks. 04:28:22 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:28:23 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 04:28:27 talking about r7rs... whats up? never heard about a planned date 04:29:33 Tuesday. 04:29:57 i mean year 04:30:08 Picky, picky. 04:30:41 This year. 04:30:42 We hope. 04:30:59 really? or next? 04:31:00 We were shooting for a first draft today, but that's not gonna happen. Still, we are not far short of it. 04:33:06 far short? 04:33:35 teurastaja: The first draft is nigh. 04:34:18 i still dont understand that word 04:34:32 Which word? 04:34:38 nigh 04:34:54 It means the extent to which the Tick is invulnerable. 04:35:15 Originally nigh, near, and next were a group, like good, better, and best. 04:35:29 But near has taken over from nigh, and next now means something slightly different. 04:35:54 hmm 04:36:51 sounds good 04:38:16 In turn, near has grown nearer and nearest. 04:38:40 from german? 04:40:49 No. English and German are cousins. 04:41:28 English has lost all of its irregularities except the very most common ones. 04:41:43 German has kept most of its irregular forms; indeed, essentially all German nouns are irregular. 04:42:18 french has something to do with that thinking 04:42:45 french is 2 languages: written and spoken 04:43:04 Indeed. 04:43:10 So in English, or Chinese, or ... 04:43:20 s/in/is/ 04:43:31 But more so in French, or Tamil, or Arabic, than in English, or German (except in the South). 04:43:34 french is something special among those 04:44:29 believe me. english canadians dont understand french canadians because of that 04:44:51 the written language is differently expressed 04:45:07 Yes, particularly true in non-hexagonal French. 04:45:59 writing litteral spoken french looks like a huge bunch of mistakes 04:46:43 especially in america 04:48:02 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:48:57 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 04:49:44 teurastaja: Ditto with colloquial English spoken in the US. :-P 04:50:27 Nowhere near. 04:50:40 teurastaja: One thing I had the hardest time adjusting to in the US is that people's spoken English tend to be much more lax than in New Zealand (or at least Auckland). 04:50:53 jcowan: I believe you; I was just talking about my experiences. :-) 04:51:01 nope not quite sorry. nothing beats a french speaker from the bayou 04:51:09 teurastaja: :-) 04:51:11 Oh, yes, when you cross major accent boundaries, it's tough. 04:51:35 http://opuculuk.blogspot.com/2009/07/montreal-vi-joual-4-nicholas-1.html <-- speaking French in Quebec when you are an anglophone Greek from Australia whose French sounds like Greek 04:51:57 joual:P 04:52:06 its my tongue 04:52:14 jcowan: O_o 04:52:26 As he says, "My French may be wretched, but it's not Anglo-wretched: it's Greek-wretched." 04:52:26 we call it joual 04:52:30 *jcowan* nods. 04:53:03 im stuck in command line... 04:53:44 greek wretched? interesting 04:54:28 I recommend reading the blog post, it gives an excellent view from an unexpected position. 04:54:39 He doesn't get _le switch_, but he can't understand either. 04:54:44 At least, not *quite* enough. 04:55:14 jcowan: montrealer? 04:55:24 Eh? 04:55:56 aka: from montreal? 04:57:17 Who? The author of the post? From Australia. 04:57:30 Me? From a small island off the east coast of North America. 04:57:57 ? 04:58:12 newfoundland? 04:58:17 Manhattan. 04:58:25 lol 04:58:39 -!- radicalpumpkin [~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:58:50 we have bigger islands but you have more people 04:58:55 radicalpumpkin [~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 04:59:03 -!- radicalpumpkin is now known as copumpkin 04:59:18 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 04:59:18 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 04:59:18 *jcowan* tells his favorite anti-(Newf joke) 04:59:40 go 04:59:43 tell 04:59:51 Canadian Coast Guard stops a Newfie fishing boat somewhere out there in the ocean. 05:00:11 "Hey, you're only licensed to catch Newfoundland fish. Are you sure you're not catching Canadian fish too?" 05:00:34 "No, sor. When we catches them, we looks at them, and if their mouth is open, they's Canadian fish, and we throws them back." 05:01:03 *elly* giggles 05:02:25 -!- xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-bwfidfmdpkffyzer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:05:41 rageous [~Adium@user-38q461p.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 05:05:52 -!- rageous [~Adium@user-38q461p.cable.mindspring.com] has left #scheme 05:06:42 usa has no snow btw 05:07:09 its a joke 05:07:23 the amount 05:08:12 you have yet to see a snow storm in the capital in january 05:09:07 people abandonned their cars on the highways last year 05:12:12 the storm was so big you felt alone even with other cars surrounding 05:12:12 NYC has bad snowstorms too, just not as many. 05:13:49 xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-lfvmzybzvnyvrunk] has joined #scheme 05:22:53 -!- TippenEin [~chatzilla@c-24-245-21-197.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:25:23 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 05:31:32 christopher [~christoph@c-98-201-58-105.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:31:54 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:34:03 -!- tupi [~david@189.60.162.71] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:44:47 Hal9k [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 05:45:04 -!- teurastaja [~netwalker@modemcable182.177-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: Tschuess] 06:11:54 Anyone know of any applications that allow multi-person programming 06:11:59 as in, a shared notepad of sorts 06:15:08 etherpad 06:15:10 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:20:32 hogger: emacs. 06:20:40 emacs is the answer to all your questions. 06:21:10 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 06:25:55 -!- blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:26:15 -!- saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@nat-sonicnet.noisebridge.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 06:33:42 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-166-35.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 06:33:42 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-166-35.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 06:33:42 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 06:37:06 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:50:35 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-69.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 06:58:48 hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 07:03:05 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-69.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:06:43 -!- christopher [~christoph@c-98-201-58-105.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:07:00 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 07:40:30 -!- sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:41:18 sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has joined #scheme 07:47:26 -!- sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:48:32 sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has joined #scheme 08:07:57 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-69.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 08:18:15 saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@adsl-75-60-31-253.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 08:23:34 -!- jproctor_ [~jproctor@c-98-192-77-212.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:24:16 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:26:07 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 08:30:20 jproctor_ [~jproctor@c-98-192-77-212.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 08:34:19 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 08:49:44 pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 08:51:29 -!- jproctor_ [~jproctor@c-98-192-77-212.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:58:07 jproctor_ [~jproctor@c-98-192-77-212.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 09:01:58 -!- saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@adsl-75-60-31-253.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 09:20:35 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-250-26-146.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:20:56 Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-250-26-146.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 09:23:27 -!- aidalgol [aidan@2002:453d:f72::1337:3] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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Could be. 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However, it has a problem: basically every time it redisplays any character cell, it allocates and frees a graphics context from the X server. It should really cache these, but it turns out that that's hairy because too much of Edwin's X screen is implemented in C, which lacks a garbage collector... 18:09:46 -!- EbiDK [~ebi@3e6b7ac3.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:04 EbiDK [~ebi@3e6b7ac3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #scheme 18:12:31 -!- EbiDK [~ebi@3e6b7ac3.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:12:51 -!- bweaver [~user@host-68-169-175-225.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:15:03 EbiDK [~ebi@3e6b7ac3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #scheme 18:18:46 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:23:26 -!- mmc1 [~michal@82-148-210-75.fiber.unet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:24:34 ijp [~user@host86-163-222-24.range86-163.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 18:29:34 drdo [~user@bl4-143-54.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 18:36:39 blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has joined #scheme 18:37:28 -!- Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:41:26 githogori [~githogori@216.207.36.222] has joined #scheme 18:45:00 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has left #scheme 18:49:39 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-142-214.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:49:48 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-142-214.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:53:49 dlila [~dlila@CPE0014d1c9243c-CM001bd71cede2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 18:55:06 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 19:02:58 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-142-214.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:13:35 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 19:14:54 -!- hiyuh [~hiyuh@KD113151162160.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has left #scheme 19:16:06 rageous [~Adium@user-38q461p.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 19:17:23 tessier_ [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has joined #scheme 19:19:47 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:31:16 jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-106.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 19:32:45 -!- EbiDK [~ebi@3e6b7ac3.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:33:18 EbiDK [~ebi@3e6b7ac3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #scheme 19:34:17 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-69.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:36:25 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-249-242-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37:29 -!- gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable041.134-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:45:12 Say I have a list: ((year-founded . 1989) 19:45:12 (stations ((name . "Jake's") (number . 1) (coords 3 2))) 19:45:12 (links ((route-number . 1) (stations ((name . "Jake's") (number . 1) (coords 3 2)) ((name . "Rob's") (number . 3) (coords 1 11))) (distance . 9.219544457292887))) 19:45:36 and i am trying to remove the ((name.jakes) (number.1) (coords 3 2)) 19:45:54 the list is part of a defined "railroad" 19:45:59 im trying to use something like this 19:46:01 (define (remove-station rr station) 19:46:01 (map (lambda (x) (if (equal? 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I need to run a procedure on each of them separately 22:49:44 should i be thinking map, filter or running a recursive proc on it 22:50:01 thinking map atm, but nothing immediately comes to mind 22:52:39 -!- sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:53:52 sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has joined #scheme 22:53:55 Map is good; note that map can process N lists simultaneously. 22:54:10 (map myproc intlist otherlist) 22:54:24 or for-each if you do not need to accumulate results 22:56:02 i don't know for-each, but i figured it out 22:56:07 In either case, myproc will need to accept two arguments, one coming from intlist and one from otherlist. 22:56:17 for-each just throws away the results from myproc. 22:56:19 filtered worked since the proc was a (proc? item list) 22:56:51 -!- jcowan [c6b912cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.185.18.207] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:57:34 for-each item in list (myproc on each intlist item)) ? 22:59:11 -!- ckrailo is now known as lol_at_wolves 22:59:13 -!- lol_at_wolves is now known as ckrailo 22:59:45 -!- ckrailo is now known as methecooldude-wo 22:59:50 -!- methecooldude-wo is now known as ckrailo 23:00:00 -!- sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:00:10 -!- pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has left #scheme 23:00:35 -!- ckrailo is now known as methe_is_wolf 23:00:39 -!- methe_is_wolf is now known as ckrailo 23:01:17 sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has joined #scheme 23:03:03 -!- ckrailo is now known as methe_is_wolf 23:03:05 -!- methe_is_wolf is now known as ckrailo 23:03:23 -!- ckrailo is now known as lol_gotcha_again 23:03:25 -!- lol_gotcha_again is now known as ckrailo 23:11:41 -!- masm [~masm@bl19-197-181.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:12:14 -!- sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:13:18 sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has joined #scheme 23:17:34 -!- dzhus [~sphinx@95-25-171-192.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:27:19 aidalgol [~user@114-134-6-192.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #scheme 23:28:14 -!- mmc1 [~michal@82-148-210-75.fiber.unet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:40:12 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-142-214.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 23:42:50 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 23:42:50 -!- carleastlund [~cce@gotham.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: carleastlund] 23:47:48 zmv [~daniel@c934ad95.virtua.com.br] has joined #scheme 23:57:08 -!- tupi__ [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:57:43 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:57:52 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:57:53 -!- zmv [~daniel@c934ad95.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:59:40 zmv [~daniel@c934ad95.virtua.com.br] has joined #scheme