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I hope this ridiculous thing I'm writing works, then. 06:36:51 Thanks, foof. 06:37:04 incandenza: (cond (else (cond (else (cond (else (cond (else "I N C E P T I O N")))))))) 06:37:08 incubot: (cond (else (cond (else (cond (else (cond (else "I N C E P T I O N")))))))) 06:37:08 I N C E P T I O N 06:37:11 whoops 06:39:24 -!- lbc [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:43:41 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-25.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:44:47 Shoot. It's not working. 06:46:28 -!- jjong [~user@203.246.179.177] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:51:51 incubot: (+ 1 2) 06:51:52 3 06:51:54 incubot: "(+ 1 2)" 06:51:54 (+ 1 2) 06:52:10 incubot: "rudybot: (+ 1 2)" 06:52:10 rudybot: (+ 1 2) 06:52:21 *eli* sighs 06:52:54 eli: yes, rudybot is better behaved; glad to see you still have the bot-hacking libido after all these years. 06:53:10 Why didn't that work? 06:53:20 I keep forgetting that offby1 made it ignore any "*bot" nicks. 06:53:27 Ah, I see. 06:53:33 And I probably already tried these: 06:53:34 yes, offby1 is a good citizen. 06:53:38 incubot: "foo\nbar" 06:53:43 "foo\nbar" 06:54:03 eli: you should get "bar", no "foo". 06:54:21 ? 06:54:42 incubot: (display "your\nmother") 06:54:42 mother# 06:54:55 merely takes the last line of output; rudybot does a clever multiline display. 06:55:37 but why did it print quoted string when it had \n? 06:55:46 incubot: "/foo" 06:55:55 incubot: "/quit" 06:55:58 my car quit on me 06:56:08 incubot: (begin "/quit") 06:56:08 /quit 06:56:20 -!- blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:56:32 *eli* becomes bored again 06:57:39 eli: is your forked genome developing well, btw? 06:58:04 Sure, it's mostly independent. 06:58:31 nice; yeah, i hypothesized that kids had to make it on their own from five or six paleolithically. 06:59:31 How about if statements? 06:59:37 Can if statements be nested inside of conds? 06:59:47 klutometis: Yeah, I'm teaching him how to write a good resume now. 06:59:55 rageous: yes. 06:59:55 rageous: indeed; in fact, you'd be hard pressed to find anything that did not nest. 07:00:09 eli: heh; no joke, though, for the good preschools. 07:00:17 I'll give that a shot instead. I don't know why I'm such a failure. I ought to blame society. 07:00:34 rageous: i wouldn't internalize the failures of your program; madness that way lies. 07:00:53 rageous: why not just paste what you have? 07:00:54 klutometis: (pre)schools is a vomit inducing subject. 07:00:56 lisppaste: url? 07:00:56 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme and enter your paste. 07:01:30 RaceCondition [~erik@82.131.19.252.cable.starman.ee] has joined #scheme 07:01:54 eli: yeah; this bizarre preschool-aristocracy foists a early differentiation on kids, i think. 07:02:53 It's worse. Cambridge is trying (as usual) to be super enlightened about it, which obviously gets the opposite results. 07:04:35 eli: oh, are you in MA? i thought you were in ithaca, for some reason. 07:04:53 I left Ithaca in 2003. 07:05:54 i kind of envied the kids that grew up in cambridge, actually, when i was at harvard; their greek and latin was fantastic: second-language-like. 07:06:07 rageous pasted "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/120865 07:06:08 LA, in that sense, is more of a ghetto. 07:06:14 There 07:06:28 's not much in greek and latin that would make me happy. 07:06:33 heh 07:06:38 http://paste.lisp.org/display/120865 07:06:51 rageous: can you paste an example of a railroad? 07:07:43 rageous annotated #120865 "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/120865#1 07:08:09 Oh, wow. lisppaste bot is actually working. 07:08:11 Had no idea. 07:08:49 It's a project for school, and I've really enjoyed it so far. This is the very last step, and I'm not sure why it's not working. It should be returning true at least twice under the test for link? 07:08:55 rageous: lastly, can you paste exactly what you want the output of display-railroad to look like? 07:09:45 -!- gabot [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:10:46 rageous: never mind, actually; what does `link?' do? 07:11:30 rageous annotated #120865 "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/120865#2 07:12:05 link? returns #t #f of whether or not an element in the list follows the format for a link. 07:12:40 so the railroad structure expresses some kind of railroad topology with links between numbered stations and also distances? 07:12:53 gabot [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 07:13:15 Yes. links are dotted pairs which consist of 'unique' ids of the stations they run between and the respective distance. 07:13:44 stations consist of a 'unique' id and a dotted pair expressing their x,y coordinate. 07:13:53 what's display-railroad supposed to do, exactly? 07:14:23 Previously, I've removed some stations. After removing the stations, I'm trying to get rid of links that would be connecting non-existent stations. 07:15:10 In the two outputs, I have ghost links that go to nowhere. display railroad removes the ghost links, and returns the list, where dotted pairs on links that do not have associated stations are removed. 07:15:26 Does that make sense? 07:16:21 -!- gabot [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:16:29 the "ghost links" in example 1 are (1 . 2) and (1 . 3)? 07:16:32 gabot [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 07:16:43 Precisely, because station 1 no longer exists. 07:17:39 i can't run the example, because i don't have definitions for link?, exist?, station? or info?; what seems to be the problem, though? 07:18:17 Well, it's not returning any true values, apparently. Instead of getting the single remaining link in my output, it's only returning tagged info and tagged stations. 07:18:20 No links. 07:19:23 I'm instrumented slightly with a display that reveals it's making it from start to finish of the original list, but I cannot seem to find the problem in not returning the links. 07:19:58 nilg` [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 07:22:02 I've made an error, but I'm still not getting this to work exactly right. 07:22:26 -!- gabot [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:22:37 gabot [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 07:22:39 Interesting how helpful it is to simply talk through the problem. Or chat, as the case may be. 07:22:42 -!- gabot [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:23:09 gabot [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 07:23:24 rageous: indeed; i might be able to help you more if i could run the example. 07:24:55 -!- gabot [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:25:05 gabot [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 07:26:19 Strange. Now it seems to be giving me too many positives, and it's apparently not making it any further than the first exist? in the cond statement. I just wrote a bunch of gibberish and scheme doesn't see it. 07:27:59 Oh, I'm an idiot. I see the problem. 07:28:02 It's quite plain. 07:29:10 I was comparing my links to the list of links. Of course it existed every time. 07:29:21 Rather than the links to the stations they're associated with. 07:29:29 Thank you very much klutometis. 07:32:27 I think I'm finally starting to understand some of the more basic concepts associated with list operations. 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all caps 14:45:40 offby1: pedimos que compañeros por qué está utilizando todas las tapas 14:45:55 ?? 14:46:15 rudybot: t8 en es YOU DO NOT NEED TO SHOUT 14:46:16 offby1: USTED NO TIENE QUE GRITAR 14:46:37 yo 14:47:01 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:47:29 yo ???? 14:48:00 ¡oy! 14:48:21 si tienes pregunta sobre "scheme", preguntalo 14:48:22 you are english 14:49:05 sois ingleses 14:49:16 soy nueva sabes 14:50:05 goodbye 14:50:09 -!- marinita [~mabeli@85.136.209.128.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 14:51:15 vk0 [~vk@ip-23-75.bnaa.dk] has joined #scheme 14:51:29 -!- Harrold [~quassel@70.50.33.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:59:34 femtoo [~femto@95-89-249-242-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 14:59:59 tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has joined #scheme 15:08:04 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 15:16:14 ckrailo [~ckrailo@208.86.167.249] has joined #scheme 15:16:22 RaceCondition 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