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you want. 16:37:41 rudybot: (require srfi/1) 16:37:41 cky: your racket sandbox is ready 16:37:42 cky: Done. 16:37:48 rudybot: (make-list 'a 3) 16:37:48 cky: error: make-list: expected argument of type ; given a 16:37:50 osoleve: using guile-git from AUR? i'm on i686 and it compiled fine 16:37:53 rudybot: (make-list 3 'a) 16:37:53 cky: ; Value: (a a a) 16:37:59 osoleve: ^^--- 16:38:07 osoleve: A normal function is perfectly adequate for what you want to do. 16:38:10 taylanub: tried that, didn't work 16:38:13 cky cool, thanks 16:38:31 taylanub: For Guile, you need to use (use-modules (srfi srfi-1)) instead of (require srfi/1). 16:38:36 Uh. Wrong nick. 16:38:41 osoleve: For Guile, you need to use (use-modules (srfi srfi-1)) instead of (require srfi/1). 16:38:53 osoleve: You should be able to use make-list after that. 16:40:22 okay, hmm. i'm not sure how to get it to work how i want 16:40:53 i want it to do (make-list 3 (cons 'a ...)) becomes (cons 'a (cons 'a (cons 'a '()))) 16:41:32 essentially, what i'm trying to do is 16:41:59 i'm trying to make an sexp, and i need to figure out how many right parens i need to close it, then append that many to the end 16:42:46 oooh 16:42:57 (cons sexp (make-list 3 'a)) 16:43:02 got it, thank you 16:44:02 (i know it won't do what i want exactly, but it's a start) 16:45:47 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-212-126.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:46:09 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-198-8-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:46:23 lojban 16:46:27 ...wrong channel 16:47:32 jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-117.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 16:51:42 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-214-157.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 16:52:01 -!- Articate [~Moriya@pjp-78.uio.no] has left #scheme 16:52:14 -!- hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:52:33 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-159-177.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:57:41 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-159-177.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:58:30 -!- gozoner [~ebg@ebg-10004083621.jpl.nasa.gov] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:00:51 *osoleve* is kicked 17:01:02 ...wrong channel again. just ignore me. :( 17:01:24 coi lao'i osoleve 17:01:37 gezundheit 17:01:47 -!- AtnNn [~welcome@modemcable060.239-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: au revoir] 17:01:59 osoleve: that's been lojban 17:02:13 ahh 17:02:48 gozoner [~ebg@207.151.192.173] has joined #scheme 17:04:59 could someone help me understand why this isn't generating any output for '(3 5 +)? 17:05:08 http://codepad.org/CuX3Y4YB 17:05:18 -!- `Jaka [Mango-chan@ucbvpn-208-60.VPN.Berkeley.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:05:38 Mango-chan [Mango-chan@unaffiliated/mango-chan] has joined #scheme 17:05:46 `Jaka [Mango-chan@ucbvpn-208-60.VPN.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #scheme 17:05:57 Well, what does it do, osoleve? 17:06:51 it should generate, for that input, '( #{\(}# 3 5 + ) 17:07:10 it generates a pseudo-sexp minus the trailing close parens 17:07:13 (What is thisstrange `#{(}#' notation?) 17:07:36 that's how parens are as symbols in Guile 17:07:53 -!- Mango-chan [Mango-chan@unaffiliated/mango-chan] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:08:04 I see. Guile doesn't use the more conventional vertical bar notation, |(|, for literally written symbols? 17:08:15 hmm, lemme check 17:08:18 Fare [~Fare@64.119.159.126] has joined #scheme 17:08:18 carleastlund [~cce@gotham.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 17:08:30 nope 17:10:31 it's weird, the function call doesn't generate any output or errors 17:11:26 Well, what happens if you evaluate (%%postfix->sexp '("foo"))? 17:11:47 nothing 17:11:47 DrDuck [~duck@216.186.151.63] has joined #scheme 17:12:37 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@fsf/member/vu3rdd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:12:47 One trouble with your code as written is that you have written a COND for effect, not for value: you didn't say what value to yield in every possible case, so in some cases, it will yield an unspecified value (which is usually a magic value that the REPL will pretend isn't there). 17:12:55 -!- gozoner [~ebg@207.151.192.173] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:13:06 so i need an else 17:13:09 If you care about the value the COND returns, you must specify an ELSE clause. 17:14:18 -!- pearle [~pearle@blk-224-181-222.eastlink.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:14:57 (That's not the only issue with the code -- it's just the first one that jumps out.) 17:18:25 nilg` [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 17:19:44 -!- taylanub [~taylanub@p4FD93ACC.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #scheme 17:21:05 -!- Fare [~Fare@64.119.159.126] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:21:44 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@j109182.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 17:22:45 okay 17:22:47 http://codepad.org/nvdV3cLE 17:22:53 it generates an output now 17:23:13 for '(3 5 +) it gives (3 5 . #) 17:23:15 :/ 17:23:22 HG` [~HG@dslb-188-109-172-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 17:24:03 ooh, glaring error 17:24:08 hold please. 17:26:07 rudybot: ((lambda (f) (apply (car f) (cdr f))) (reverse (list 1 2 +))) 17:26:07 rien: your r5rs sandbox is ready 17:26:08 rien: ; Value: 3 17:27:15 osoleve: '(3 5 +) is different from `(3 5 ,+). 17:27:33 osoleve: (Your (list 1 2 +) is the same as `(1 2 ,+).) 17:28:21 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-159-177.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:28:27 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-159-177.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:31:17 -!- jblz [~jake@cpe-204-210-208-155.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:33:41 jblz [~jake@cpe-204-210-208-155.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 17:43:03 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-167-223.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 17:43:55 lithpr [~jake@cpe-204-210-208-155.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 17:44:27 i got it all working! 17:44:31 for that test case... 17:46:11 bugfound, squashed, now it works for a different, more complex test case 17:46:12 :D 17:46:21 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 17:46:56 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-167-223.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 17:52:41 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:52:52 bahahaha i just figured out all my work was for naught, there's a much easier way to accomplish what i want to do that creating sexp's to be evaluated 17:52:57 -!- f8l [~f8l@87-205-239-131.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 17:53:09 but it was a good exercise to figure out how to mostly accomplish that, anyways 17:54:17 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 17:57:44 Nice. :-D 17:58:38 yeah, i'm REALLY loving scheme. everything is a puzzle and it's SO much fun to figure it out. 17:59:58 -!- tauntaun [~icarus@64.134.66.60] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:00:09 because 18:00:12 wrong window 18:00:18 haha i'm so bad at this :( 18:01:00 osoleve: Hahaha, what IRC client are you using? 18:01:10 irssi with bitlbee 18:01:14 Ah. :-) 18:01:18 so i'm constantly switching between splits 18:01:22 Yes, switch to the right window before typing. ;-) 18:01:24 Oh, I don't use split. 18:01:29 That would be what makes the difference. 18:01:51 i like to be able to read more than one room at a time AND see my buddy list for AIM/Y!/Jabber 18:01:56 +1 productivity 18:02:00 Hehehehehehe. 18:03:07 -!- bharath_g [~bharath10@117.211.88.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04:17 -!- lithpr [~jake@cpe-204-210-208-155.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:04:57 -!- jblz [~jake@cpe-204-210-208-155.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:07:05 gozoner [~ebg@ebg-10004083621.jpl.nasa.gov] has joined #scheme 18:07:17 femtoo [~femto@95-89-198-8-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 18:08:27 jblz [~jake@cpe-204-210-208-155.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 18:10:07 -!- nilg` [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10:50 -!- vk0 [~vk@ip-23-75.bnaa.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:19:16 choas [~lars@p578F6902.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:21:15 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:29:10 -!- LN^^ is now known as LN^off 18:41:59 -!- LN^off is now known as LN^^ 18:50:45 ray_ [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has joined #scheme 18:52:17 pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 18:52:18 -!- aoh [~aki@80.75.102.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:52:21 -!- ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:52:55 ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has joined #scheme 18:53:09 Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 18:53:11 aoh [~aki@80.75.102.51] has joined #scheme 18:55:58 -!- ray_ [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:57:44 -!- jblz [~jake@cpe-204-210-208-155.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:58:46 ijp [~user@host86-150-75-42.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 19:00:22 -!- zmv [~daniel@c934a9f5.virtua.com.br] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:00:29 jblz [~jake@cpe-204-210-208-155.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 19:01:41 -!- christopher_ [~christoph@c-98-201-58-105.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:05:09 -!- pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:07:13 -!- ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:18 ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has joined #scheme 19:14:03 tauntaun [~icarus@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 19:14:45 -!- DerGuteMoritz [~syn@85.88.17.198] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:15:35 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-167-223.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:15:37 DerGuteMoritz [~syn@85.88.17.198] has joined #scheme 19:15:51 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-167-223.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16:20 copumpkin [~pumpkin@17.101.89.204] has joined #scheme 19:16:21 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@17.101.89.204] has quit [Changing host] 19:16:21 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 19:18:01 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:19:43 -!- HG` [~HG@dslb-188-109-172-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:20:08 HG` [~HG@dslb-188-109-172-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 19:21:33 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-198-8-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:27:17 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-167-223.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:29:48 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 19:30:10 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-167-223.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:32:39 charlietanksley [~charlieta@130-127-111-56.hardin.clemson.edu] has joined #scheme 19:33:45 -!- ckrailo [~ckrailo@208.86.167.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:34:22 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 19:36:50 pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 19:40:39 ckrailo [~ckrailo@208.86.167.249] has joined #scheme 19:49:15 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 19:53:38 devogon [~user@a83-163-241-74.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #scheme 19:58:23 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-117.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:01:38 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-149-156.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 20:08:30 -!- HG` [~HG@dslb-188-109-172-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:27:49 -!- gozoner [~ebg@ebg-10004083621.jpl.nasa.gov] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:28:14 jcowan [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 20:28:30 *jcowan* has a copy of the current PDF for R7RS in his hot little hands. 20:28:57 :-o 20:29:01 ^_^ 20:29:21 When do we get to see it? Or do we have to wait till it's all official? 20:29:43 No, there will be a first draft published at the end of this month, hopefully. This is an early version of that. 20:30:28 Excellent 20:30:54 66 pages (50 for R5RS, 90+71+6+20 for the various parts of R6RS) 20:31:36 Cool. I look forward to reading it. :-) 20:31:41 *fds* goes to lunch 20:32:08 Of course the WG2 language (or rather the WG2 module library) will be much larger, but it's all optional. 20:33:17 and the world's worst language quality metric is perpetuated ... 20:33:27 femtoo [~femto@95-89-198-8-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 20:33:36 -!- jblz [~jake@cpe-204-210-208-155.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:33:38 Quality metric? It's a _quantity_ metric. 20:33:50 precisely 20:34:52 Quantitatively, small R5RS < R7RS < R6RS < CL < large R6RS, where the quantitative metric is something like "number of identifiers" 20:35:09 err, that's R5RS < small R7RS < ... 20:36:42 and large R7RS? 20:36:59 pothos_ [~pothos@111-240-171-211.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 20:38:05 -!- pothos [~pothos@111-240-171-61.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:38:13 -!- pothos_ is now known as pothos 20:38:27 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-198-8-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:48 jcowan_ [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 20:40:21 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:40:23 tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has joined #scheme 20:40:24 -!- jcowan_ is now known as jcowan 20:41:53 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 20:42:38 HG` [~HG@dslb-188-109-172-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 20:46:30 -!- LN^^ is now known as LN^off 20:53:35 Another (qualitatively) quantitative statement: modules, blobs, SRFI-9 records, exception handling, optional Unicode, string ports, binary ports, the environment, cyclic list I/O, and a variety of minor improvements come to R5RS. 20:54:19 And the silly inexact precision indicators become optional. 20:55:36 wait, CL < large R6Rs ? 20:56:05 I certainly think so 20:56:19 I never knew there was anything larger than CL (not counting extinct languages like Pl/I etc) 20:56:33 Again, having more identifiers doesn't mean subsumption 20:56:42 -!- LN^off is now known as LN^^ 20:56:56 also what is "large R6RS" ? 6 doesn't have 2 versions like 7 does, right? 20:57:05 er, "large R7RS" 20:57:09 oh ok 20:57:24 vk0 [~vk@ip-23-75.bnaa.dk] has joined #scheme 20:57:28 so how are you measuring this size then? 20:57:38 will the spec for big r7rs be > 900 pages? 20:58:48 I'm not measuring it yet, only estimating it. There will be at least 70 packages in large R7RS of varying sizes. 20:59:31 I'm very excited about big r7rs to be honest 20:59:45 so I really like what you just told me 20:59:47 If the mean number of identifiers in a package is just 14, it will be bigger than CL. 21:00:12 I think I see how you're measuring it, or I can have a glipse of it 21:01:06 gotta go, wife is telling me to get dressed to go to the opera :P 21:02:07 -!- aoh [~aki@80.75.102.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:02:09 To see the list, go to https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ar8UUpsyGZ0wdEtoMy0ta1piRDcwZUVQZ29wbk8yNEE&gid=1 and choose the tab "Results 1", and ignore all lines marked with yellow "WG3" 21:02:09 http://tinyurl.com/4aac3od 21:08:09 Caleb-- [thedude@bzq-79-176-206-190.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #scheme 21:08:48 -!- vk0 [~vk@ip-23-75.bnaa.dk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:13:56 vk0 [~vk@ip-23-75.bnaa.dk] has joined #scheme 21:23:13 aoh [~aki@80.75.102.51] has joined #scheme 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