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EOF is a Racketism, not a portable way to get the end of file object. :-P 01:54:10 SRFI 6's reference implementation does it this way: (call-with-input-file "/dev/null" read-char) 01:54:54 Of course, any implementation with call-with-input-string (Chicken, Racket, and Guile all do, at least) can just use: 01:55:10 (call-with-input-string "" read-char) 01:55:47 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 01:55:52 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 01:56:17 -!- pnkfelix1 [~Adium@c-68-38-142-34.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:56:31 If it were sensible to do that, then the reference implementation might as well just have (define (open-input-string string) (call-with-input-string string values)). 01:56:49 Riastradh: Well, there's a problem with chicken-and-egg. 01:56:55 Riastradh: In the specific case of SRFI 6. 01:57:09 Riastradh: But as regards phao's question, he's not trying to implement SRFI 6. 01:57:47 Oh wait. I misread your comment. 02:02:54 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:03:03 -!- Teeko [~Teeko@55.Red-88-27-236.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Teeko] 02:03:41 em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #scheme 02:07:24 askhader [~askhader@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 02:17:00 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:21:02 -!- dsmith__ is now known as dsmith 02:22:12 rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #scheme 02:28:59 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme 02:32:59 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:39:15 -!- paulh_ [~paulh@3-12-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:42:15 -!- tauntaun [~Antoninus@64.134.66.212] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:49:50 jcowan [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:50:35 Hi jcowan! 02:51:12 *fds* was just reading about [] and () on the WG1 site. 02:51:34 I'd be quite happy to see [] used for vectors like Sussman suggested 02:53:39 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@nat/cisco/x-klxeqgppannlvsjc] has joined #scheme 02:53:48 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@nat/cisco/x-klxeqgppannlvsjc] has quit [Changing host] 02:53:48 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@fsf/member/vu3rdd] has joined #scheme 02:58:47 Doesn't look like it's going to happen. 02:59:26 Yeah, sounds too controversial for WG1. 03:00:22 I think that [] = () was the only thing that had a hope of passing, and it didn't happen. 03:00:23 Do you think they'll revert to R5RS's position? 03:00:34 For reasons of phasing, there is no way to redefine the lexical syntax in WG1 Scheme. 03:00:46 Hmm 03:00:54 Yes, [] will remain undefined. 03:02:02 *fds* nods 03:03:32 jcowan: just to balance fds's opinion, I'm happy with the status quo :P 03:03:37 tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 03:04:21 `The status quo' being R6RS's status quo, not necessarily the status quo implemented by most Schemes. :-P 03:04:29 nooo :) 03:04:45 statu quo ante bellum, before the war, that is before r6rs! :) 03:05:06 Oh, well. I'm happy with that situation too 03:06:29 fds: R6RS's status quo is that [] = (). 03:07:17 Yes, I know. I thought that's what rien wanted 03:07:38 Heh. 03:08:02 I'd rather have the more neutral [] = nothing, but I'm fine with [] = () because it's almost that 03:09:39 It isn't, because it means 1. you can't do anything useful with [] and 2. people then start writing [] in their code! But anyway, this isn't a very interesting conversation now that I've heard what jcowan thinks'll happen. ;-) 03:10:12 So, what else are we looking forward to in R7RS? :-P 03:10:32 first class environments! 03:10:35 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:10:43 http://trac.sacrideo.us/wg/report/9 is what's been voted in 03:11:29 Thanks. I have to say, it might be because I'm an idiot, but I haven't found that site to be the easiest to navigate. 03:12:35 No, it's not, but it's what we've got. 03:13:17 As long as it's not just me. :-) 03:14:27 In any case, there will be IMHO a lot of improvements in R7RS over R5RS 03:15:19 -!- tessier [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has quit [Changing host] 03:15:19 tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has joined #scheme 03:16:05 I hope so, I'm quite excited about it. I've definitely been coming around to the idea of a larger standard, if done right. 03:16:19 jcowan: do you think the r7rs spec itself will be short like r5rs'? I don't know how long r6rs is... 03:16:36 R6RS isn't huge. 90 pages or something, IIRC. 03:17:22 So, almost twice the size of R5RS, I think, but not large compared to other languages. 03:18:17 I had a table that showed {language : pages-in-its-spec} 03:18:21 CL was 900 (!) 03:18:35 Heh 03:18:39 At the level of standard identifiers, R7RS will be about 35%-40% bigger than R5RS. But many of them will be in optional modules. 03:19:11 -!- myu2_ [~myu2@x108121.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:19:52 Many of the R5RS identifiers will be in modules too, i.e. everything that refers to files. 03:19:56 s/i.e./e.g. 03:20:22 interesting. 03:21:13 jcowan: What do italics mean, in the ballot, anyway? I figured that bold meant it was the prevailing option, but does italics mean "weak win", "win by default", or something else? 03:21:28 Either of those. 03:21:36 Hahahaha. 03:21:44 Typically it means there was no option that got a majority of the votes cast. 03:22:29 *nods* 03:22:44 Like the whole mutable strings thing. 03:23:03 On which note, I'll read your position statement on that now. :-) 03:23:28 I dislike mutable strings too. 03:23:55 Not that I have a vote in this (or any other) matter, but just pitching in my opinion. 03:25:06 back 03:25:10 ww 03:26:38 Just finished reading your position statement. Agree 100%. 03:28:20 On immutable strings? 03:28:24 Yes. 03:28:34 http://trac.sacrideo.us/wg/ticket/13 <-- ticket about [] 03:31:22 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 03:37:25 -!- dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:52:27 -!- timj_ [~timj@e176194066.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:52:47 timj_ [~timj@e176198020.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:53:31 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-140.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 03:53:39 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-140.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:57:33 -!- copumpkin is now known as MonadsSuck 04:02:10 -!- MonadsSuck is now known as copumpkin 04:08:08 jeefung [~jeff@c-98-223-239-157.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:10:03 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-38-142-34.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:10:47 -!- tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:11:05 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-151-109.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:17:49 svankie [~svankie@152-55-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #scheme 04:19:57 -!- corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:20:03 corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 04:20:52 R7RS looks like it will be in the 60-65 page range. 04:21:23 mye^ [~mye@dslb-088-070-012-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 04:21:29 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:22:00 Cool! That looks like a manageable size. 04:22:37 -!- masm [~masm@bl16-198-38.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:23:38 That's also for the entire core language, unlike R6RS which relegated all discussion of Unicode, syntax-case, the I/O system, record types, and many other core libraries to the "Standard Libraries" document not included in the aforementioend 90 page count. 04:24:01 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-38-142-34.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:24:43 -!- ^mye^ [~mye@dslb-088-070-009-193.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:27:39 foof: Thanks for the review. 04:28:53 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 04:30:41 foof: There seem to be a random number of spaces around the \lev character, also, so I didn't worry about aligning that. But I did move the lambda to the next line. 04:31:50 Committed and pushed. 04:32:23 josephholsten [~josephhol@ip70-189-106-111.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #scheme 04:34:12 jcowan: I was going to spend the weekend writing up the last of the tickets, if there are any more you think you can finish in the next few days please assign them to yourself. 04:34:27 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 04:34:33 In particular, I've been putting off the Unicode changes to last. 04:34:36 -!- josephholsten [~josephhol@ip70-189-106-111.ok.ok.cox.net] has left #scheme 04:34:37 I was thinking of doing #23-#24-#25, which is Unicode. 04:34:46 *foof* nods 04:34:53 I can't guarantee to be done by Monday, though. 04:35:23 If you can guarantee by the end of next week that's good enough, I'll make another extension. 04:35:37 No guarantees. :-) 04:35:39 But I'll try. 04:35:55 When people ask me at work when X will be done, I always reply: 04:36:04 "Schedules are the province of management." 04:36:25 Well, basically if I finish everything else and review it, I'll just start writing up the Unicode parts whether you've finished or not :) 04:37:48 ... or I could work on the Chibi release. 04:38:05 *jcowan* chuckles. 04:38:16 Are there any parts of *that* you want to farm out? 04:38:39 -!- corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:40:51 You're most qualified to write up Unicode. 04:42:05 After that there's the exception system, I/O, time, background/acknowledgements, and a couple last minor tickets. I don't have any preference on those. 04:42:45 I meant, are there any bits of Chibi you want me to write? 04:42:51 Oh, chibi... 04:43:08 I think the back/ack is premature, we should push that off to a later draft. 04:43:16 Probably. 04:43:42 I'd take a patch to init.scm for the sequence procs you just wrote up. 04:43:44 Oh, I was thinking, now that we have #= and ##, we should say something about Scheme programs that aren't trees. 04:43:48 Okay, will do. 04:43:51 Use it to double-check your examples! :P 04:43:56 *jcowan* chuckles. 04:44:21 The only thing I'd say on that is it's an error. 04:44:48 Four possibilities: 0) say nothing 1) say it's undefined 2) say it's an error 3) use Queinnec's algorithm that converts them to letrecs. 04:44:49 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 04:45:18 We don't have a distinction between "is an error" and "undefined". 04:45:29 s/undefined/implementation-defined 04:46:46 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-140.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 04:46:58 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-140.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 04:47:04 Choosing 1 would allow Schemes to implement 3 if they want. 04:47:21 (Frankly, I think it's useless, but hey.) 04:47:47 Choosing 2 would also allows Schemes to implement 3. 04:48:04 bharath_g [~bharath10@117.211.88.150] has joined #scheme 04:48:16 Choosing 4) implementations must signal an error is the only option that prevents 3. 04:50:37 -!- bharath_g [~bharath10@117.211.88.150] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:51:16 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:52:00 myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 04:53:41 arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has joined #scheme 04:54:03 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-140.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:55:14 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-140.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:56:55 So the implementations for Chibi should be optimized for code size and space rather than speed, right? 04:57:21 Yes. 04:58:02 Uh... the string ones are hairy in the presence of Unicode, leave those to me. 04:58:27 I need to write up a string-lib and make sure (chibi loop) does the right thing with strings. 04:59:23 *jcowan* nods. 04:59:23 Well, you can write the normal portable definitions, I'll just cond-expand them out later. 05:03:11 *jcowan* nods. 05:03:55 Anyhow, as long as string-ref and string-set! are Unicode aware, that's all I need for the completion functions. The normalization functions are much hairier. 05:04:04 I wonder if normalization should be its own module. 05:04:35 Yes! 05:04:55 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #scheme 05:05:02 Otherwise that's a huge amount of data to have to load for the core language. 05:05:14 -!- jl_2 [~jl_2@184-96-193-12.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:05:41 For the unicode module, even. 05:06:01 Everything to do with case is already in a separate module, so the question is, should normalization be separate from *that*. 05:06:24 Oh... probably. 05:06:25 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-140.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 05:06:39 If for no other reason than we didn't have a lot of consensus on it to begin with. 05:07:23 I think we're going to have to say "does some kind of implementation-defined normalization" which might not even be Unicode-specified. 05:07:39 Unless it should be "C or D only" 05:08:25 From the ballot result it should be implementation-defined, but we should mention "such as the Unicode standard NFC or NFD." 05:08:47 *jcowan* nods. 05:08:51 `Some kind of implementation-defined normalization'? What specializations, plural, is this generalization supposed to cover, and how will it cover them usefully? 05:08:52 Whoa, cool: Core Wars in Scheme 05:09:21 Well, as foof says, NFD or NFC (the choice is environment-specific) or maybe the identity transform. 05:10:12 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-140.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 05:10:13 The identity transform would apply in an ASCII-only (or other Unicode subset) system, or if all strings are automatically normalized. 05:10:31 What applications does `some kind of implementation-defined normalization' have? 05:10:32 Sure, but also by implementation fiat. 05:10:42 Riastradh: You got me there. *I* didn't vote for it. 05:11:36 Nor did I. I threw the option in not expecting it to get any votes. 05:12:10 The best-laid plans of foofs and men / Gang aft agley. 05:12:13 jcowan: core wars link? 05:12:26 http://pagesperso-systeme.lip6.fr/Christian.Queinnec/PDF/strugman.pdf 05:12:38 Well, what loonies voted for something they didn't have an application for and obviously don't understand? 05:12:45 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_War 05:13:40 I can only guess that having some sort of normalization sounded good, but they didn't want to nail down which one. 05:14:34 I think the ballot should have a requirement that if you vote on something, you must have working code that is directly related to it justifying your vote. 05:14:58 Riastradh: Many of the WG members just joined so they could bitch, never contributed anything useful, and are now dead silent faced with the prospect of actually _writing_ the standard. 05:15:23 That's the nature of democracy, the worst of all systems of governance except for all the rest. 05:15:31 :/ 05:16:06 I guess I didn't rant voluminously enough at Jonathan about requirements for implementability and practicality. I did talk with him about that, at least. 05:16:52 ...ha. Oh dear. Here's an excerpt from a message I sent him a year ago: 05:17:04 (before the charter was finished, I think) 05:17:04 Riastradh: The working code for normalization exists in several implementations and is trivial. I don't, however, know of any programs currently using such an API. 05:17:15 -!- clog [nef@bespin.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:17:21 `I'm glad that the new charter requires proofs of implementability, but perhaps ``practicality'' would be better -- after all, it is trivial to implement, say, an interpreter for a language with fexprs.' 05:17:54 Please don't use the f word :( 05:18:16 I'm sorry! I think I wrote that message before the tl;bh fiasco. 05:22:30 Anyway, it's still a draft; if the community responds with "why the hell is _that_ in the standard" we can take it out. 05:22:38 *jcowan* nods. 05:23:16 Anyway, when I said `working code directly related to it justifying your vote', I meant working code other than a reference implementation -- i.e., a real use case of the something, or of an alternative design that shows obvious flaws in the something, &c. 05:23:34 s/flaws in the something/flaws that the something would correct/1 05:24:05 Requiring votes to be justified caused a lot of bad feeling around the R6RS ratification process. 05:24:10 Actually, I'm pretty sure the normalization API is the only thing that would fail that requirement. 05:25:31 I think it could work well in practice though. 05:25:57 That's very different, jcowan. That was a community ratification, not a working group vote, and the justification was pretty nebulous. Also, if I recall correctly, justification was required only for negative responses. 05:26:34 Indeed, and tant pis. 05:26:51 That became an incentive to vote yes or abstain. 05:27:18 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 05:28:04 Anyway, just a thought about votes. Avoiding design by committee is hard. 05:28:04 Time for bed. 05:28:04 *poof* 05:29:56 -!- blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:32:49 foof: There are a *lot* of examples in R5RS where lines are broken between the lambda-list and the body of a lambda expression. 05:32:49 s/lambda-/variable- 05:36:14 With the indentation you used? 05:39:08 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 05:39:32 See the definition of list-length, e.g. 05:40:32 jcowan: Not getting your "s/lambda-/variable-" comment. Is it not called a lambda-list in Scheme? 05:40:45 (I guess I've been spending too much time reading CLHS.) 05:40:48 I don't think that name is official. I'd have to be sure. 05:40:59 *nods* 05:41:35 jcowan_ [~user@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 05:44:50 jcowan: The definition of list-length uses normal indentation - the body of the lambda is indented relative to the lambda. 05:44:55 backtothefuture [~docBrown@c-69-246-160-131.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:44:55 ve_ [~a@vortis.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 05:45:16 Oh, I see. 05:45:32 Well, I put the lambda expression on one line. 05:45:37 -!- specbot [~specbot@common-lisp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:45:37 -!- ve [~a@vortis.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:45:38 -!- alaricsp [~alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:45:38 -!- mmc [~michal@85.90.76.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:45:38 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:45:38 -!- pantsd [~hkarau@nat/uwaterloo/x-rdifpyejwwywdhdc] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:45:40 pantsd_ [~hkarau@nat/uwaterloo/x-khdabgkilfqcjrka] has joined #scheme 05:45:42 -!- ve_ is now known as ve 05:45:44 One line is fine. 05:45:48 alaricsp [~alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has joined #scheme 05:45:55 -!- bttf [~docBrown@c-69-246-160-131.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:46:15 -!- certaint1 [~david@matrix.d-coded.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:46:18 But your example indents the body relative to the outer expression, left of the lambda itself. 05:46:19 mmc [~michal@85.90.76.130] has joined #scheme 05:46:30 Right, I understand. 05:46:34 certaint1 [~david@matrix.d-coded.de] has joined #scheme 05:48:05 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.66.172.182] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 05:48:39 tronador_ [~guille@190.66.172.182] has joined #scheme 05:49:03 Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has joined #scheme 05:50:20 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.66.172.182] has quit [Client Quit] 05:52:52 jcowan: You don't have to use Emacs, but the code you submit needs to agree with the Emacs indentation :) 05:53:09 How about I leave that to an Emacs weenie to fix. 05:53:20 Heaven knows, there's no shortage of them. 05:53:41 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:54:01 jcowan [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 05:58:29 When WG1 is done I can get back to my Emacs replacement. 06:05:37 Written in Scheme? 06:05:57 Or just with embedded Chibi? 06:06:16 Or maybe a Chibi port of Edwin. :-P 06:06:29 Chibwin 06:06:46 I assume there will be an elisp personality for chibi eventually, along with Lua and JavaScript. 06:07:12 jcowan: Guile comes with elisp, JavaScript, and brainfuck. Pretty close. :-) 06:07:13 -!- jcowan_ [~user@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Alt-F4] 06:07:21 *jcowan* chuckles. 06:07:52 I like the #nil object in Guile 06:08:15 jcowan: Written in Scheme. 06:08:57 Lua, JavaScript, bash and go are the most likely language candidates. 06:09:19 Frankly I think most elisp is horrid crap and should be thrown away, so I don't have much interest in elisp support. 06:09:33 That means abandoning essentially the whole Emacs infrastructure, however. 06:09:41 Yes, intentionally so. 06:09:50 Hardly even Emacs any more after that. 06:10:02 No, it will be better! ;) 06:10:14 jcowan: Eh, if foof ports Paredit to the new system, it's Emacs enough. ;-) 06:10:47 You might as well use Acme/Wily, then. 06:11:34 What, why? They offer no customizability of the interface, just process filters on text regions. 06:11:38 (with Scheme scripting, obviously) 06:11:50 Plus I hate the mouse. 06:11:56 *jcowan* shrugs. 06:12:13 I love Plan9, but acme is the worst part of it. 06:12:22 You use emacs on it, then? 06:12:46 Queinnec's papers are extremely readable, even if they are in Frenglish. 06:13:05 *fds* looks forward to writing his dotemacs in Scheme 06:13:11 When running under 9VX I use the OS X Emacs on the underlying files, yes. 06:14:14 I'm reading LiSP now and it's really cool. I have notice some blatant Frenglish in the code comments though. 06:14:31 I guess it wasn't proofread as thoroughly as the text itself :-) 06:14:39 Who reads comments, anyway? 06:14:46 *fds* :-( 06:14:47 Comments == write-only 06:14:55 Awwww.... 06:15:26 It's one of the ways you can tell I'm not a real programmer :-P 06:16:02 *jcowan* reads comments, writes comments, and complains when there are no comments. 06:16:51 Code can do a lot, but it can't say *why*. 06:17:02 ;; add 1 to i 06:17:58 Sure, comments can be junk. So can code. 06:17:59 The best comments I write are like: ;; fixit - explain this 06:18:03 ;; passes the current continuation to the given function 06:18:22 Or ;; this works, but I'm not sure why... 06:18:30 ;;; Searches list for a pair whose car is eq? to key 06:18:58 Fun times 06:19:15 ;; you are not expected to understand this 06:20:00 -!- emporas [~emporas@athedsl-166184.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:21:17 chemuduguntar [~ravi@118-93-174-55.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #scheme 06:28:29 Another of the follies of LoL is the claim that if you understand everything, there is no need for style. 06:28:43 I should send him some Common Lisp formatted in 80-character blocks and see what he thinks about style then. 06:28:56 s/blocks/punch cards 06:30:32 Heh, I remember reading some Lisp like that from the '70s. 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08:09:21 -!- martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:09:55 martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 08:11:23 -!- mye^ [~mye@dslb-088-070-012-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:12:52 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:13:54 -!- martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:14:26 -!- ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:14:28 martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 08:14:31 ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has joined #scheme 08:18:44 and what do you think of the IEEE and RnRS specifications? some implementations don't seem to care much about them 08:22:25 hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 08:25:34 -!- ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:27:02 -!- martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:27:31 ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has joined #scheme 08:28:06 martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 08:30:33 -!- pygospa [~pygospa@kiel-5f769c2a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:30:42 pygospa [~pygospa@kiel-d9bfc2cf.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 08:31:48 -!- myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:32:55 -!- martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:38:48 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-140.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:38:50 -!- backtothefuture [~docBrown@c-69-246-160-131.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 08:39:24 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-140.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:40:22 josephholsten [~josephhol@ip70-189-106-111.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #scheme 08:40:22 ysph [~user@adsl-89-25-111.mgm.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 08:40:32 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-189-163.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 08:41:46 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-189-163.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 08:42:38 -!- ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:43:34 myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 08:43:37 martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 08:44:34 ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has joined #scheme 08:47:37 -!- martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:48:19 martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 08:56:57 -!- ysph [~user@adsl-89-25-111.mgm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:58:14 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 08:58:40 -!- ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:58:45 ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has joined #scheme 09:08:33 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:16:37 -!- taylanub [4ff75bef@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.247.91.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:23:32 -!- josephholsten [~josephhol@ip70-189-106-111.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Quit: josephholsten] 09:34:13 -!- ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:34:18 ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has joined #scheme 09:41:00 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:45:22 -!- ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47:18 ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has joined #scheme 09:50:14 -!- ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:51:35 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 09:52:10 ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has joined #scheme 09:52:26 bharath_g [~bharath10@117.211.88.150] has joined #scheme 10:03:07 -!- myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:05:02 -!- Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-17-38.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:05:24 kuribas [~user@94-226-139-39.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 10:05:36 Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-17-38.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #scheme 10:06:32 phr_ [~phr@adsl-71-141-88-54.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 10:06:40 does anyone know if scheme has something like "reduce" ? 10:06:44 aka fold 10:11:07 myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 10:12:53 Yes, someone knows 10:14:20 See srfi-1 or r6rs-lib. 10:33:11 ah, found it 10:33:12 thanks 10:33:15 i'm using guile 10:33:23 is "compose" supposed to be a built-in? 10:34:06 it's in the manual but does't seem to be in guile, unless maybe i load something? 10:35:21 and more generally, is guile a good way to fool around with scheme, or should i install something more heavyweight? 10:35:25 thanks for any advice 10:36:30 phr_: depends. Why not stick to guile and see how far you get? 10:36:55 phr_: once you have more specific requirements it is easier to make a choice 10:36:57 good plan, i just wrote my own "compose" 10:37:57 hm compose seems to be part of guile's core lib though 10:38:23 is 1.8.7 reasonably current? 10:38:30 no 10:38:37 hmm 10:39:08 hmm attempting upgrade 10:39:15 The latest release is2.0.0 10:39:37 and a lot of work has been done between the 1.8 and 2.0 branch 10:39:40 hmm, maybe compose in the core is an r6rs thing that got added to 2.0? 10:40:27 maybe, I don't know 10:42:35 ok thanks 10:42:42 i'll manage with this, srfi-1 really helps 10:42:49 i just have to figure out how to use pair-fold 10:54:42 -!- bharath_g [~bharath10@117.211.88.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:58:41 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@fsf/member/vu3rdd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03:45 tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 11:08:27 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-151-109.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 11:16:21 -!- Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:27:18 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 11:32:59 -!- tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:54:15 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:55:56 wtfness [~dsc@78.100.210.180] has joined #scheme 11:59:48 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:00:13 copumpkin [~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 12:00:13 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 12:00:13 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 12:02:08 emporas [~emporas@athedsl-166184.home.otenet.gr] has joined #scheme 12:06:37 tupi [~david@189.60.162.71] has joined #scheme 12:06:47 tauntaun [~Antoninus@208.252.23.2] has joined #scheme 12:09:57 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:11:41 -!- emporas [~emporas@athedsl-166184.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:17:25 -!- myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:18:19 xwl [~user@114.241.240.180] has joined #scheme 12:20:26 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-62-150.gmavt.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:28:04 -!- tauntaun [~Antoninus@208.252.23.2] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:28:21 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:29:48 -!- yosafbridge [~yosafbrid@li125-242.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 12:30:04 yosafbridge [~yosafbrid@li125-242.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 12:39:25 -!- wtfness is now known as nixness 12:41:47 emporas [~emporas@athedsl-166615.home.otenet.gr] has joined #scheme 12:43:09 -!- yosafbridge [~yosafbrid@li125-242.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 12:43:20 yosafbridge [~yosafbrid@li125-242.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 12:43:54 myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 12:44:59 -!- kuribas [~user@94-226-139-39.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:45:15 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme 12:45:58 molbdnilo [~Ove@c80-216-207-2.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 12:47:13 masm [~masm@bl16-198-38.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 12:51:41 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 12:57:14 -!- xwl [~user@114.241.240.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:59:42 -!- myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:38 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 13:02:28 tronador_ [~guille@190.66.172.182] has joined #scheme 13:08:23 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10:48 xwl [~user@114.241.240.139] has joined #scheme 13:15:13 z0d [~z0d@artifact.hu] has joined #scheme 13:15:13 -!- z0d [~z0d@artifact.hu] has quit [Changing host] 13:15:13 z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has joined #scheme 13:19:29 -!- ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21:26 ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has joined #scheme 13:28:25 -!- ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:28:46 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.66.172.182] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 13:29:26 bharath_g [~bharath10@117.211.88.150] has joined #scheme 13:30:21 ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has joined #scheme 13:45:49 LeoNerd [~leo@fairy.dictatorshipcake.co.uk] has joined #scheme 13:46:28 Hello all... I'm currently in the process of writing myself a little toy Scheme interpreter, partly an exercise in writing a parser, partly for fun, partly to learn Scheme. :) I'm having a little trouble working out exactly how to deal with "..." in macros, though 13:47:09 Intuitively, I can look at the examples given in R5RS (for example the 'let' one), and see how it works, but it seems the spec is somewhat vague on the exact process of working out what goes into each ... slot of the output 13:47:35 tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 13:48:06 yeah, the spec's wording sucks 13:48:23 I believe its wording is "as directed" :) 13:48:53 The idea is that the preceding subpattern is repeated zero or more times 13:48:55 Is there perhaps a bigger explanation somewhere anyone knows of, or an example implementation I could peek at? 13:49:15 Yeah, but it's when it gets to more complicated destructuring that it gets a bit vague 13:49:15 And for each repetition, it can have a different structure; as long as it matches the original subpattern it's fine 13:49:53 Such as the way that (let ((var init) ...) body) is expanded into ((lambda (var ...) body) init ... ) 13:50:08 So the (var init) pairs have been cut into two separate lists of var ... and init ... 13:50:13 http://www.xs4all.nl/~hipster/lib/scheme/gauche/define-syntax-primer.txt might be of use 13:50:34 *LeoNerd* reads 13:50:39 Teeko [~Teeko@184.Red-83-49-132.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 13:54:23 metasyntax` [~metasynta@hudecek-pc.ipfw.edu] has joined #scheme 14:06:37 maploin [~mapleoin@fedora/maploin] has joined #scheme 14:15:13 -!- tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:19:33 paulh_ [~paulh@3-12-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #scheme 14:22:33 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-38-142-34.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 14:23:52 -!- yosafbridge [~yosafbrid@li125-242.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 14:24:06 -!- 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That's hardcore. 19:56:40 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 19:56:43 -!- struys [~Adium@bastion.inap.yelpcorp.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:56:45 So you have to create a new FFI object for every call to printf. 19:56:46 my thoughts exactly, I only glanced at it for the moment 19:57:05 That wasn't what I had in mind, but if that's the "right" way to do it.... 19:57:28 cky: My understanding didn't progress that far, thanks for the short cut :p 19:57:30 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:57:42 amoe_: :-P 19:58:03 that is quite mental tho 19:58:10 It probably works for the case I care about 19:58:39 -!- zilt [~zilt@67.23.13.119] has quit [*.net *.split] 19:58:39 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [*.net *.split] 19:58:39 -!- githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 19:58:39 -!- ineiros [~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi] has quit [*.net 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