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I don't remember how to use it. 00:15:46 Maybe something like (step-form '(f (g x)) (nearest-repl/environment)). 00:19:37 -!- zmv [~daniel@c934a9f5.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:24:55 how do i reference my nearest repl? 00:25:24 (nearest-repl), but why do you want to? 00:25:50 well i wasn't sure 00:26:10 ASau [~user@93-80-218-22.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 00:26:14 i dont understand what the 2nd arguement really is 00:30:06 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-67-150.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:32:16 Hal9k [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 00:32:19 -!- pdlogan [~patrick@75-175-5-194.ptld.qwest.net] has left #scheme 00:40:44 Riastradh i was more confused than i thought, but i've gathered some clarity now 00:41:07 when I enter in the step-form procedure it gives me ;Unspecified return value 00:55:11 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:58:00 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:58:20 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 00:59:06 -!- gozoner_ [~ebg@ebg-10004083621.jpl.nasa.gov] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:59:18 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:59:23 ysph [~user@75-143-92-146.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com] has joined #scheme 01:02:45 mathk [~mathk@83.159.122.192] has joined #scheme 01:03:14 Teeko [~Teeko@50.Red-88-5-131.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 01:08:18 -!- Hal9k [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [] 01:09:00 -!- Couick [~quassel@AClermont-Ferrand-158-1-47-56.w86-211.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:09:07 derrida [~derrida@unaffiliated/deleuze] has joined #scheme 01:13:02 -!- carleastlund [~cce@gotham.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: carleastlund] 01:18:58 Hal9k [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 01:19:18 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 01:20:50 xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-qpufecaarzffyegv] has joined #scheme 01:32:40 -!- Teeko [~Teeko@50.Red-88-5-131.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Teeko] 01:44:33 -!- mathk [~mathk@83.159.122.192] has quit [Quit: ..zzZzzZ] 01:45:42 -!- josephholsten [~josephhol@216.16.128.242] has quit [Quit: josephholsten] 01:55:40 -!- jake_ [~lithpr@cpe-204-210-208-155.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:00:37 -!- githogori [~githogori@191.sub-69-99-152.myvzw.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06:13 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 02:06:57 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: storm] 02:09:31 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #scheme 02:13:12 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-183-250.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 02:15:58 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 02:24:56 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:28:21 -!- jimrees__ [~jimrees@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:30:48 -!- metasyntax [~taylor@72.86.89.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:32:12 masm1 [~masm@bl16-198-38.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 02:34:31 -!- masm [~masm@2.80.129.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:38:00 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:41:13 adu [~ajr@softbank220043139062.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 02:44:07 metasyntax [~taylor@72.86.89.174] has joined #scheme 02:45:26 -!- foof` is now known as foof 02:46:57 jimrees__ [~jimrees@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 02:49:16 -!- myu2 [~myu2@x108121.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:54:06 gabot [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 02:56:45 groovy2shoes [~guv@unaffiliated/groovebot] has joined #scheme 02:58:32 -!- metasyntax [~taylor@72.86.89.174] has quit [Quit:  In our sky there is no limits, and masters we have none; heavy metal is the only one! 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On NetBSD upgrade: run to merge the new etc.tgz. On setting up a new machine: diff from the most recent etc.tgz on an existing machine, patch /etc on the new machine. 03:29:58 NetBSD differs from FreeBSD in that it allows using distinct files for host-specific settings. 03:30:05 Synchronizing between machines entails the sort of heuristic juggling of similar patches that Git is supposed to be good at. 03:30:22 I agree though that not all software supports this. 03:30:45 (I also planned to do approximately the same for the dot files in my home directory.) 03:31:11 Besides, if it's you who controls all these machines, 03:31:15 you can use magic symlinks. 03:31:38 I hope you know that you can set hostname in /etc/myname rather than rc.conf. 03:33:48 -!- jimrees__ [~jimrees@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:34:05 myu2 [~myu2@x108121.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #scheme 03:34:13 jimrees__ [~jimrees@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 03:35:30 tauntaun 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c) (list a b)) 07:01:17 svankie: You should use RECEIVE or something. 07:01:53 Oh, actually. 07:01:57 In your case, it's even easier. 07:02:03 Just use CALL-WITH-VALUES 07:02:16 (call-with-values (lambda () (cond ...)) sum-of-squares) 07:02:30 The receive version would look like: 07:02:42 (receive (x y) (cond ...) (sum-of-squares x y)) 07:02:56 myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 07:03:39 cky: oh, I see 07:04:01 cky: let me try that out. thanks, man! 07:04:13 :-D 07:04:30 xwl_` [~user@nat/nokia/x-vvypjxkplxyejhej] has joined #scheme 07:05:14 mathk [~mathk@83.159.122.192] has joined #scheme 07:06:19 -!- Zahl [~kenneth@lnx101.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:11:35 -!- DrDuck [~duck@216.186.151.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:13:59 -!- rdd` is now known as rdd 07:17:41 -!- bharath_g [~bharath10@117.211.88.150] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:20:57 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:31:16 -!- pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:31:50 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 07:37:27 hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 07:40:58 cyk: Sorry for bother you again, but I'm having some weird issues. Using DrRacket (v5.1) and #lang scheme in the top of the file, RECEIVE (and CALL-WITH-VALUES) throws "unbound identifier" errors when I run my updated code http://codepad.org/sPlxVAfC I've searched for reasons but I've had no luck yet... I'm a complete beginner in Scheme, just trying to complete the SICP exercises. :-< Any clues? 07:45:31 Put (require srfi/8) at the top of your program (after #lang scheme, however). 07:51:49 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-128-138.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:52:03 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:55:11 cky: thanks. it seemed to work, but actually it transformed into a "context (lexical binding) expected 2 values, received 1 value" warning in the receive block. http://codepad.org/uU0q6H4C 07:56:43 bharath_g [~bharath10@117.211.88.150] has joined #scheme 07:57:40 svankie: That's very odd! 07:57:45 Oh, I know why! 07:57:52 You don't have an else clause. 07:58:10 So if none of the three apply, then, it will send one value (namely, (void)). 07:58:38 Hint: Use >= instead of >. 07:58:50 cky: that makes sense 07:59:21 cky: thanks *a lot*, man! 07:59:25 Have you seen my "outside the box" solution to that question, BTW? 07:59:26 My pleasure. 08:00:34 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/161666/sicp-exercise-1-3-request-for-comments/161675#161675 08:00:35 http://tinyurl.com/4eph2h5 08:00:49 cky: what's the "outside the box" solution? :-D 08:00:53 cky: oh 08:01:48 cky: OH! oh man, thanks! 08:01:55 Hahahahahaha. 08:02:02 There are _many_ ways to solve that problem. 08:03:29 that's just incredible 08:03:40 scheme is such a beautiful language 08:04:04 i've started _today_ with sicp 08:04:23 also, an exciting book 08:06:15 svankie: Indeed, indeed. 08:06:20 (Both re Scheme and SICP.) 08:10:43 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 08:11:06 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:11:33 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-128-138.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 08:15:12 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:15:27 gnomon 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[~pumpkin@17.101.89.204] has quit [Changing host] 16:58:33 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 17:00:36 -!- rageous [~Adium@nat-portal-160-94-47-16.uofm.wireless.umn.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:02:00 -!- pumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:02:53 what is the difference between the global and the runtime environment? 17:03:06 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-248-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:05 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 17:05:10 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@fsf/member/vu3rdd] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:07:02 tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has joined #scheme 17:08:49 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 17:11:11 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:12:02 -!- gozoner [~ebg@64.134.233.84] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:12:10 gozoner [~ebg@64.134.233.84] has joined #scheme 17:17:05 -!- langmartin [~user@exeuntcha2.tva.gov] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:17:06 peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-112-241.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 17:18:34 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 17:19:37 Harrold: dunno if these have specific meanings in your specific scheme system. generally... 17:19:49 Harrold, what is the context? 17:19:51 the global environment would mean all the top-level definitions 17:20:29 the runtime environment would mean the global environment and all the other aspects of the scheme's OS process. 17:23:11 I'm using drracket if that helps 17:23:11 ah 17:23:12 so the top-level definitions with or without the definitions my scheme language delivers? 17:23:24 ah ok 17:23:57 Harrold, if you encountered these terms in a particular context, you need to explain the context if you want to ask what they mean in that context. 17:24:41 no I was just wondering what the difference is 17:25:17 -!- paulh_ [~paulh@2-12-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:25:57 The difference between their meanings depends on what their meanings are... 17:27:51 yeah 17:27:59 but my question got answerd 17:28:01 thanks! 17:28:26 Well, depending on the context, the answer might be totally wrong. 17:29:15 could you explain how it is wrong? 17:29:38 -!- Sveklo [~sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:29:50 Example: In Scheme48, there is no such thing as a `global environment'. There is a collection of environments that might all be called `run-time environments' (they're part of the `run-time system', anyway), but they contain only subsets of Scheme, since collectively they implement the parts of Scheme that aren't primitively implemented by the virtual machine. 17:30:25 I'm talking about DrRacket using R5Rs 17:30:32 Sveklo [~sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has joined #scheme 17:31:09 Racket doesn't have a global environment either. 17:31:36 -!- aisa [~aisa@173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: aisa] 17:31:54 So R5RS is a run-time environment that contains a subset of scheme? 17:32:26 No. The R5RS, the Revised^5 Report on Scheme, is a document describing the Scheme language. 17:32:47 Ah ok. 17:32:58 -!- pygospa [~pygospa@kiel-4dbedee5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:33:01 bharath_g [~bharath10@117.211.88.150] has joined #scheme 17:33:56 pumpkin [~pumpkin@17.101.89.204] has joined #scheme 17:33:56 -!- pumpkin [~pumpkin@17.101.89.204] has quit [Changing host] 17:33:56 pumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 17:34:04 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:34:13 What is the run-time environment in racken then? 17:34:39 I'm curious now: Where did you hear the terms? Why were you asking about them? 17:35:24 I hear about them in my notes 17:35:24 pygospa [~pygospa@kiel-d9bfd772.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 17:35:32 bu they don't explain the terms in the notes 17:35:52 For a class? 17:36:07 yes 17:36:08 -!- bharath_g [~bharath10@117.211.88.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:37:17 What class? 17:37:27 programming paradigms 17:37:39 Harrold: Which university, which year level, etc. 17:37:54 There are lots of classes called `programming paradigms' at lots of universities... 17:38:02 well it's 3rd year 17:38:06 bharath_g [~bharath10@117.211.88.150] has joined #scheme 17:38:09 Okay. Which university? 17:38:19 at carleton 17:38:36 *nods* 17:40:03 why do you want to know? 17:40:49 Just curious. It sounds as though the class might be teaching nonsense. 17:41:25 The class is actually good. I just want to know because he does a lot of that in class and might ask it in the midterm 17:41:32 so I want to prepare at least a bit 17:41:42 Harrold: Usually certain types of nonsense come from the same place. Like the recent spate of questions that have "set-current-input-port!" in it. 17:42:03 set-current-input-port?!? 17:42:10 You don't need to know. :-) 17:42:14 lol ok 17:42:25 Suffice it to say that a number of recent questions here and on SO included that reference. 17:42:31 Hmm... How are you judging whether the material in the class is good? 17:42:33 I just take this class because it is mandatory. 17:42:37 I'd very much like to know if it was all from students of the same university. 17:42:45 because he usually gets it from sicp 17:42:51 I think those folks were students at Florida State University, cky. 17:42:59 Riastradh: Ah. *nods* 17:43:06 lol 17:43:33 Harrold, aha! Now that's a different context from Racket. SICP was written with MIT Scheme in mind, which *does* have an environment called the `system global environment', and another environment called the `runtime environment', in a hierarchy. 17:44:04 Yeah. 17:44:37 Now, the system global environment is basically a historical accident, and isn't semantically sensible to talk much about. 17:44:46 tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 17:45:42 (That's why Scheme48 and Racket don't have one.) 17:45:53 Ah ok. 17:46:06 So what exactly is using the runtime environment? 17:46:11 Or what does it contain? 17:47:33 Everything needed to make Scheme run. 17:47:54 so my (define variable expression) is put in the runtime environment? 17:48:04 ...that is not provided by the operating system or `microcode', which is the glue written in C that presents a roughly OS-independent interface to the rest of Scheme. 17:48:57 If you type that at the REPL you get by running `scheme' at a Unix shell, the definition will go into the user environment, not the system global environment or the runtime environment 17:49:01 . 17:50:04 what is the REPL? 17:52:21 Read-Eval-Print-Loop. If you have Racket handy, type `racket' at a shell; you will enter a REPL, which asks you `> ' (meaning, `what do you want to evaluate today?'), and when you type a Scheme expression, it Reads the expression, Evaluates it, Prints the result, and Loops. 17:53:38 -!- mathk [~mathk@83.159.122.192] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:53:50 mathk [~mathk@lns-bzn-23-82-248-103-231.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 17:53:57 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-67-150.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:54:35 ah 17:55:16 oh 17:55:18 I get it 17:55:21 the REPL part 17:56:05 (In DrRacket, the REPL is in what is called the `interactions window', I think.) 17:57:15 davazp [~user@201.Red-88-6-204.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 17:58:06 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-67-150.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 17:58:15 yeah 18:02:57 vilsonvieira [~vilson@201.22.83.150.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #scheme 18:03:33 -!- vilsonvieira [~vilson@201.22.83.150.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Client Quit] 18:07:50 HG` [~HG@dslb-092-073-070-223.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 18:08:34 thanks Riastradh 18:10:08 -!- githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:10:14 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 18:12:53 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-51-60.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:09 femtoo [~femto@95-89-248-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 18:21:23 fantazo [~fantazo@178-190-234-172.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #scheme 18:24:38 hi, how do you in scheme model some kind of mapping which works with N arguments and not only one. like a map routine which does this: '(1 2 3 4 5 6) => '((1 2) (3 4) (5 6)) 18:25:13 what is actually the correct googleable name for that? partitioning? 18:27:00 fantazo: then that wouldn't be mapping, would it? 18:27:20 You can iterate or recurse. 18:28:12 yes, then that wouldn't be "mapping". however "mapping" is defined. 18:28:30 tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has joined #scheme 18:28:32 Yes, and I also have a hammer right here... 18:29:21 -!- nilg` [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:29:30 whatever. 18:29:44 Iterating? Recursing? 18:31:07 what is your problem? am I not allowed to ask questions? 18:32:01 Re. your first question, you seem to agree that you cannot use map to implement this kind of processing, because this kind of processing is not a mapping. 18:32:19 Re. your second question, I propose you use an iterating or recursing process, and you don't seem happy. 18:32:22 What can I do? 18:32:35 well for me it's just a question of definition. 18:32:45 If you insist, in CL we have a function called mapcon that could be used to implement a complex procedure. It would be much easier to use loop. 18:32:46 because that could be also considered mapping 18:33:35 fantazo: in a Turing complete programming language, you need only a single instruction. For example, we can do everything with only: while(condition){body}. 18:33:51 So even alternatives can be considered as looping. 18:33:58 Is that intelligent? 18:35:32 why is that a question of intelligence? it's just a question of definitions. 18:35:42 and how sharp they are considered to be. 18:36:20 but I see, that talking to you is a waste of time. 18:36:25 If you use a loop in your algorithm, then by definition it's an iteration. 18:36:34 Why are you not happy with iteration? Or Recursion? 18:36:40 Or iterating or recursing? 18:38:54 -!- kniu [~kniu@DOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:39:09 Lemonator [~kniu@DOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 18:39:55 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-183-84.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 18:40:44 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-183-84.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42:38 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-128-138.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:44:00 -!- HG` [~HG@dslb-092-073-070-223.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:45:50 aisa [~aisa@173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 18:48:33 -!- pumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:48:57 choas [~lars@p5792C8EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:52:32 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-183-84.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 18:54:37 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:54:57 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 19:00:14 paulh_ [~paulh@115-9-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #scheme 19:00:20 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@178-190-234-172.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03:20 copumpkin [~pumpkin@17.101.89.204] has joined #scheme 19:03:20 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@17.101.89.204] has quit [Changing host] 19:03:20 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 19:09:18 githogori [~githogori@167.sub-75-208-113.myvzw.com] has joined #scheme 19:11:00 -!- emporas [~emporas@athedsl-166184.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:11:25 -!- gozoner [~ebg@64.134.233.84] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:13:01 There has to be something better than this ACM nonsense to read papers. 19:13:55 Teeko: well, not for every paper. but many papers can be found on the open web. 19:15:49 cpach: yes, I've found a copy from the Indiana university. 19:16:20 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:16:38 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-67-150.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:16:55 I would like to know why people do publish on ACM or similar platforms though. 19:16:57 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 19:17:45 I hope it works well for writers, it certainly doesn't for readers. 19:18:07 its a cartel 19:18:23 Teeko: because people need tenure. Not that I disagree about the cartel part. 19:18:30 -!- Harrold [~quassel@dhcp-101-110.hpsc-staff.carleton.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:21:54 All publishers are evil! You just have a wide variety in choices of poison to pick. 19:23:00 Teeko: there's http://arxiv.org/ 19:23:08 if only arxiv had reviews 19:23:19 You can review the papers yourself. 19:24:10 is that a serious comment? 19:25:45 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-248-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:26:08 Aren't you smart enough to review them yourself? 19:26:47 -!- Sveklo [~sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27:31 Sveklo [~sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has joined #scheme 19:27:32 now you're just trolling. the point of reviews serves multiple purposes. 1. it lets me quickly separate crap from good. 2. differing opinions help to average out bias 3. im not an expert on all subjects 19:27:50 Thanks, pjb, I was reading on academic tenure to get a wider view of the subject. 19:28:48 "peer reviewing" does a bad job at 1, nothing about 2, and won't help about 3. 19:28:52 gravicappa 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