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I had no idea. 19:49:02 I suppose it would stand to reason. 19:49:13 :-) 19:49:31 Just ask your question, and a Racketeer will come answer when they check IRC. :-) 19:50:33 or join #racket and ask there 19:50:34 groovy2shoes [~guv@unaffiliated/groovebot] has joined #scheme 19:50:45 jonrafkind: Riastradh will slaughter you for saying that. 19:50:56 whys that 19:51:09 Because he doesn't like it when people redirect conversations out of #scheme. 19:51:25 who cares? 19:51:27 could you guys take this to #meta-scheme!!??!! 19:51:32 (jk) 19:51:34 Hahahahaha. 19:51:49 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 19:51:50 Curiosity question: when did list manipulation functions like foldr, foldl and filter get removed from the RSR5 implementation? My professor and the TAs were caught off guard in this last homework assignment because they're no longer included. 19:52:06 rageous, they have never been in Racket 19:52:11 's r5rs impl 19:52:14 FOLDR, FOLDL, and FILTER were never in the R5RS. 19:52:15 Haha 19:52:22 They lie! 19:52:38 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.58.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:52:44 "In older version of DrRacket, these functions were built-in..." 19:52:51 Straight from my homework. :( 19:52:55 rageous: ...if you don't use R5RS mode. 19:53:02 Yeah, I understand that. 19:53:30 Thanks, guys. 19:54:43 rageous: http://docs.racket-lang.org/search/index.html?q=foldl 19:58:32 I've been told this is the first semester they've migrated away from MIT Scheme. Minutia like this is bound the crop up. 19:59:47 perhaps they mean MIT scheme when they say "an older version of DrRacket" ;) 19:59:56 :-P 19:59:57 That must be it. 20:00:37 They're spelled FOLD-LEFT and FOLD-RIGHT in the default environment in MIT Scheme. 20:05:21 josephholsten [~josephhol@216.16.128.242] has joined #scheme 20:05:30 -!- josephholsten [~josephhol@216.16.128.242] has left #scheme 20:06:24 -!- rageous [~Adium@user-38q461p.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:07:09 probably the class was using "Pretty Big" as the language, which was more likely to be the default in older versions of DrScheme 20:07:27 in which things would have seemed sort of like R5RS, but with `foldr' and friends 20:13:02 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-16-165.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:14:57 jewel [~jewel@196-215-16-165.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 20:18:49 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 20:20:42 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:22:59 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-64-14.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:24:50 josephholsten [~josephhol@216.16.128.242] has joined #scheme 20:29:28 rageous [~Adium@nat-portal-160-94-47-16.uofm.wireless.umn.edu] has joined #scheme 20:29:42 rageous, probably the class was using "Pretty Big" as the language, which was more likely to be the default in older versions of DrScheme 20:29:42 in which things would have seemed sort of like R5RS, but with `foldr' and friends 20:30:14 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32:13 -!- josephholsten [~josephhol@216.16.128.242] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:32:31 josephholsten [~josephhol@216.16.128.242] has joined #scheme 20:34:57 -!- josephholsten [~josephhol@216.16.128.242] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:35:20 josephholsten [~josephhol@216.16.128.242] has joined #scheme 20:36:14 -!- josephholsten [~josephhol@216.16.128.242] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:36:33 josephholsten [~josephhol@216.16.128.242] has joined #scheme 20:40:49 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-183-250.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 20:41:25 -!- jesusito [~user@110.pool85-49-242.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42:52 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-183-250.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 20:49:36 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:49:47 -!- groovy2shoes [~guv@unaffiliated/groovebot] has left #scheme 20:49:51 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 20:58:16 I wonder whether I'm the only person to pronounce samth as one syllable. :-P 20:58:59 -!- rageous [~Adium@nat-portal-160-94-47-16.uofm.wireless.umn.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:59:04 Like the second syllable of "chrysanth" (abbreviated name for chrysanthemum, and distinctly different sounding to the second syllable of the latter). 20:59:27 how do you expect people to pronounce your name? 'sicky' ? 20:59:29 -!- qebab [~robb@jaguar.stud.ntnu.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:59:48 jonrafkind: Some people do pronounce it that way (or "sky"), but most people (including myself) spell out the letters. 21:00:19 cky, i've had people pronounce it "samth" and "sam-ith" and "sam-tee-aitch" 21:00:22 i use the latter 21:00:33 qebab [~robb@jaguar.stud.ntnu.no] has joined #scheme 21:00:37 *nods* 21:01:14 Huh. I would assume "cky" is pronounced the same as "key". That's how it's pronounced in "tricky", "lucky", etc. 21:01:34 carleastlund: Huh, that's a first. I'll add that to the list. 21:02:19 carleastlund: I've also been called "fucky" before (because we had Solaris machines when I was at university, and I often typed "ps -fU cky" to list my processes). 21:02:38 uh hu.. then clearly 'omb' is pronounced 'ahm-b' because its the end of 'bomb', please ignore 'comb' for this discussion 21:03:02 ghoti 21:03:09 What about fish? 21:03:12 :-D 21:03:32 fish is pronounced 'fii - sh' 21:03:35 But "-cky" follows the standard rules of pronunciation. "-omb" has a silent b that is not standard. 21:03:49 jonrafkind: Not if you're a New Zealander, according to Australians. 21:03:54 Yes, pronouncing the `b' is standard, like in `ombledroom'. 21:04:15 (The ombledroom is vast and white, and therefore visible by night.) 21:04:20 jonrafkind: Australians claim New Zealanders say "fush and chups". New Zealanders claim Australians say "feesh and cheeps". 21:04:31 "bomb" "tomb" "comb" hmm, apparently we English speakers can't make up our mind what "o" sounds like. 21:04:39 jonrafkind: (In New Zealand English, most vowels are cut short, like schwas.) 21:04:55 jonrafkind: When New Zealanders say "fish and chips", both "i"s are pronounced like schwas. 21:05:06 English is essentially a dumpster of all the vowels nobody else wanted. 21:05:12 :-) 21:07:18 -!- josephholsten [~josephhol@216.16.128.242] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:08:00 josephholsten [~josephhol@216.16.128.242] has joined #scheme 21:09:44 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 21:12:55 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-153-127-82.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:14:23 english prononciation is an incompressible lookup table 21:21:18 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-67-150.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 21:31:46 metasyntax` [~metasynta@dyn007163.ipfw.edu] has 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mit-scheme 23:38:10 but i don't know what to read a .com file with, its showing up in gibberish in vim and cat 23:39:02 It's compiled Scheme code. 23:39:14 Why are you trying to read it? 23:39:48 i'm trying to the use the load-option procedure, but its not working, and it says its undocumented please read '/runtime/ystep.scm' 23:39:59 but here i see it as ystep.com 23:40:11 it says its undocumented on the mit-scheme website 23:40:43 What are you trying more generally to do? 23:41:12 (load "hello.scm") 23:41:17 (load-option stepper) 23:41:34 stepper being: Support to step through the evaluation of Scheme expressions 23:41:46 i am trying to step through my program's executtion 23:42:36 -!- lbc [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:47:33 mathk [~mathk@83.159.122.192] has joined #scheme 23:49:22 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-183-250.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49:22 -!- homie 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