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03:34:41 What is the proper shebang syntax for scheme programs, when using mit-scheme? Currently I'm using this: "#!/usr/bin/mit-scheme" (no quotes, of course), but this starts the interpreter in interactive mode, and complains that "hello.scm" (my program) is an "Invalid keyword". 03:35:40 githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 03:36:14 dunno, but I assume the MIT scheme docs have examples 03:43:36 offby1: I've been looking through those docs for a while now, and I can't seem to find those specific examples. Any help would be appreciated. 03:46:47 myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 03:49:08 sorry, I don't use MIT scheme :-| 03:49:14 don't even have a tarball locally 03:52:04 tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 03:52:16 -!- lithpr [~lithpr@cpe-204-210-208-155.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:52:48 timj [~timj@e176195093.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:53:12 -!- imran_sr [~imran@75-18-254-4.lightspeed.uncyca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:54:40 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 03:56:10 -!- rien is now known as rien|zzz 03:56:23 dylanvee [~dylan@s111-220.resnet.ucla.edu] has joined #scheme 03:57:05 -!- timj_ [~timj@e176194163.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:57:12 Anyone there? :) I'm working on a school project and could use some help with Scheme... 03:57:48 -!- myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:57:58 We're not here.... 03:58:08 :) 03:58:13 Uh...what haha 04:00:25 nobody here but us zombie processes. 04:00:29 myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 04:00:36 clearly haha 04:20:14 saccade [~saccade@c-67-180-11-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:20:25 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:21:38 *chobito01* is slowly, but surely, loosing his mind. 04:23:09 chobito01: poke Riastradh 04:23:59 -!- pjfd [~pjfd@pool-162-84-185-191.ny5030.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 04:24:11 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:26:24 rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has joined #scheme 04:31:22 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:35:11 *offby1* is slowly, but surely, getting yellow powder on his fingers, from eating Cheet-Ohs 04:36:00 -!- dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:36:34 dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has joined #scheme 04:36:58 rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has joined #scheme 04:43:43 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 04:45:28 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Quit: As a wild ass in the desert go I forth to my work] 04:45:48 k04n [~k04n@cpe-76-175-192-194.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 04:46:00 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #scheme 04:48:19 -!- mwolfe [~michael@cpe-67-49-72-40.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:48:34 mwolfe [~michael@cpe-67-49-72-40.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 04:51:47 -!- emma is now known as em 04:52:27 -!- chobito01 [~chobito01@ool-4352510c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:52:31 jcowan [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 04:52:48 coi 04:54:48 -!- mwolfe [~michael@cpe-67-49-72-40.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:56:13 vk0 [~vk@ip-23-75.bnaa.dk] has joined #scheme 04:57:02 jl_2 [~jl_2@184-96-193-12.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 04:58:42 -!- masm [~masm@bl15-72-73.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:05:38 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 05:06:50 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:11:53 -!- saccade [~saccade@c-67-180-11-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:13:57 -!- pygospa [~pygospa@kiel-5f7692a7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:14:43 -!- tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 05:16:09 pygospa [~pygospa@kiel-5f768948.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 05:17:49 masm [~masm@bl15-72-73.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 05:23:19 Hi jcowan 05:24:40 *fds* vaguely tries to make #scheme look alive 05:25:09 Hey ho, fds. 05:25:27 Hey, how are things? 05:26:26 I just finished reading `The Art of the Interpreter' and now I'm moving onto LiSP! 05:26:53 I read the first chapter or two of it a while ago, but now I'm much more Scheme literate, so I'm hoping I van get through the whole thing this time 05:29:17 saccade [~saccade@c-67-180-11-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:31:06 ...Not terrifically exciting, but that's my life. 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Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:38:59 wav11 [~Adium@174-149-79-93.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #scheme 15:40:49 -!- Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:41:27 -!- wav1 [~Adium@184-208-78-88.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:41:33 Riastradh, hey 15:41:34 you there? 15:42:15 Maybe. 15:43:14 just wanna show you something, http://pastie.org/1598407 -- take a look at line 520 15:43:20 implementation of ISO-week-of-year 15:43:49 I'm biased to comment, since I created it, but the implementation is really cool =) 15:45:29 Hmm...you have a slightly confused comment: `In UNIX time, the day is a TAI day (the definition says UTC without considering leap seconds, which is TAI day).' This is not right: TAI doesn't skip leap seconds; it just ignores whether any second is a leap second. POSIX time, however, skips leap seconds: either certain time_t values in POSIX time represent durations of two seconds, or certain seconds do not have names in POSIX time. 15:46:10 isn't it a TAI definition that a day has 86400 seconds? 15:46:47 I mean stuff like 15:47:03 A TAI day spans a duration of 86400 SI seconds, yes. A POSIX day has 86400 distinct time_t values naming seconds in that day, but it may span a duration of 86401 or 86399 SI seconds just like a UTC day. 15:47:04 minute has 60 secs, always; hours 60 mins, always, .... days 24h always... etc 15:47:15 crap 15:47:22 so my converter is wrong, right? 15:47:45 line 457 15:47:49 wav1 [~Adium@174-149-79-93.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #scheme 15:47:59 -!- wav1 [~Adium@174-149-79-93.pools.spcsdns.net] has left #scheme 15:48:10 (This is why POSIX time is an unbelievable botch that has had disastrous consequences for many parties. I'd like to tell you about one of them in particular, but I'm a moron and I signed an NDA.) 15:48:28 -!- wav11 [~Adium@174-149-79-93.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:48:37 NDA? 15:48:45 Non-disclosure agreement. 15:48:49 orgs [~user@88-117-77-37.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #scheme 15:49:04 I'm not sure what that, and botch, is. 15:50:31 but.. anyway 15:50:40 that converter supposes all minutes has 60 seconds 15:50:40 A non-disclosure agreement is an agreement to keep my mouth shut about stuff or face legal repercussions. In the United States, it is standard practice for software engineering companies to require their employees to sign such critters. A `botch' is a hash, a failure, a screw-up. 15:51:07 so it's not going to work, then. I tested it with some values -- I remember getting the right results. 15:51:13 I think... gotta test again. 15:51:28 ahh ok 15:51:34 you signed an NDA on unix time? 15:51:40 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:51:44 or posix related stuff 15:51:52 No, on something more general, but I'm pretty sure it would cover talking about this particular disaster. 15:52:02 ok 15:52:14 Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has joined #scheme 15:52:31 funny thing happened when I was trying to find out an algorithm, before comming up with that one of my own 15:52:36 is that I found one on wikipedia 15:52:39 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_week#Calculating_the_week_number_of_a_given_date 15:52:40 http://tinyurl.com/64opxbu 15:52:47 it says "the below algorithm doesn't work" 15:52:54 Suffice it to say that one of Google's major operational failures was due entirely to POSIX time. 15:52:54 they present the non-working algorithm, and examples 15:52:59 but there is no working algorithm there 15:53:18 posix time influences google, badly? 15:53:22 you serious? 15:53:46 I'm serious. After all, Google runs a lot of computers with POSIX, just like everyone else. 15:54:03 but. 15:54:13 how come some seconds difference influence so much on google? 15:54:38 Almost all of the time, a POSIX clock ticks once per SI second. 15:54:40 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 15:54:53 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:31 well... that's good, isn't it? 15:55:33 But once every couple of years, a POSIX clock fails to tick during one SI second -- it either skips a second, or rewinds a second, depending on interpretation. (If you look at a finer resolution of the clock, with gettimeofday or clock_gettime, the only obvious interpretation is that it rewinds.) 15:55:44 ok 15:56:07 Now, lots of complex computer systems are designed to handle random failures in components, such as clock failures (which is what this erratic behaviour of the POSIX clock essentially is). 15:56:30 Problem: The erratic behaviour of a POSIX clock is not random. EVERY POSIX clock on the planet simultaneously fails at the same instant. 15:56:40 hehehe 15:56:42 that was funny 15:57:52 Or at least, every POSIX clock correctly NTP-synchronized behaves erratically at the same instant. Those that are not correctly NTP-synchronized -- i.e., that are unaware of the leap second -- don't behave erratically, but as a consequence, they disagree with all of the POSIX clocks that do behave erratically. 15:59:07 all leap seconds that happened 15:59:15 Riastradh: You work for Google? If so, cool! You might have rubbed shoulders with elly, then. 15:59:15 added 1 second to the minute it belong to, right? 15:59:29 hey cky 15:59:31 long time no see 15:59:36 :-) 15:59:45 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:59:53 that file I sent to Riastradh is that date/time module I was writing 15:59:56 No, I don't work for Google. 15:59:58 it's simple, but cool. 16:00:09 it's scheme afterall 16:00:14 Riastradh: I see. 16:00:25 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 16:00:54 Riastradh, I think I know why supposing a minute always has 60 seconds works, for my converter 16:00:59 Anyway, the standard mapping from POSIX time_t values to struct tm values, the image of which is interpreted to mean UTC dates, is computationally the same as the mapping from `the number of SI seconds since 1972-01-01T00:00:00Z, plus 63072000' to the broken-down year-month-day, hour-minute-second representation of TAI dates. 16:02:15 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 16:02:15 The difference is the interpretation of the domain and codomain. 16:04:51 So, to go from `the number of SI seconds since 1972-01-01T00:00:00Z, plus 63072000' to the corresponding UTC date, you can almost just subtract the number of leap seconds before then, and then apply that mapping, but you have to be careful about when the second in question, between different names for which you are converting, actually is a leap second. 16:05:57 Similarly, to go from UTC dates to `the number of SI seconds since 1972-01-01T00:00:00Z, plus 63072000', you have to do the same juggling of leap seconds. 16:07:06 I'm kinda lost here because I don't know what time_t and tm is. 16:07:11 but nevermind. 16:07:12 -!- schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:48 A time_t value is a number of seconds, usually integral, and usually used to represent POSIX time -- i.e., the number of seconds since 1972-01-01T00:00:00Z, plus 63072000, minus the number of those seconds that were leap seconds. 16:08:12 A struct tm value is a broken-down representation of a calendar date and time of day, as year-month-day hour-minute-second. 16:08:22 why plus 63072000??? 16:08:27 phao: What is your native language? Curious, since English does not appear to be it. 16:08:33 pt-br 16:08:41 phao: That's the difference between 1970-01-01 and 1972-01-01. 16:08:51 63072000 is the number of seconds in two ordinary non-leap years. 16:09:11 phao: POSIX time is counted from 1970. 16:09:17 yeah 16:09:22 I didn't noticed the 1072 in the date 16:09:42 The modern definition of UTC began in 1972, so it doesn't exactly make sense to speak of 1970-01-01T00:00:00Z, whereas it does make sense to speak of 1972-01-01T00:00:00Z and adding an arbitrary constant such as 63072000 to a number of seconds since then. 16:10:33 jeng [~jeng@74.194.1.28] has joined #scheme 16:10:44 (A struct tm value is actually a little more than a UTC date -- it can also represent dates in local time, for any time zone offset by an integral number of seconds from UTC, possibly with daylight saving time.) 16:11:51 -!- tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:12:34 Before 1972, UTC was adjusted ad-hockily to match TAI and UT1 (i.e., to be an integral number of seconds from TAI, and no more than one second away from UT1); come 1972, and the ad hoc adjustments were replaced by the system of leap seconds. 16:13:12 -!- hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:40 tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 16:15:00 -!- bpalmer [~user@nat/google/x-kksqlpezarfvcubx] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.1.2 $Revision: 1.796.2.6 $ (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:16:58 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:17:31 gozoner [~ebg@ip68-6-68-92.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #scheme 16:17:31 So, you should choose what datime values represent. Do they represent TAI dates? Do they represent UTC dates? Do they represent local time dates in time zones based on UTC? 16:18:26 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 16:18:51 Or at least choose how operations on them interpret them. For instance, does DATIME->UNIX-TIME interpret its argument as a TAI date or as a UTC date? (As you have written it, I believe it interprets its argument as a UTC date.) 16:20:21 pdlogan [~patrick@64.134.140.100] has joined #scheme 16:20:49 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 16:21:07 -!- pdlogan [~patrick@64.134.140.100] has left #scheme 16:22:42 (back) 16:23:07 datime is not utc 16:23:12 it's tai 16:23:24 but I don't think that has many implications actually 16:23:39 OK. In that case, DATIME->POSIX-TIME does not return the POSIX time corresponding to the given TAI date. 16:24:05 I guessed it, after seeing what you said 16:24:09 but it still works 16:24:11 Example: What does it give for 2009-01-01T00:00:00Z? 16:24:15 let me see 16:24:42 (First convert that into a TAI date! What is it if written as a TAI date?) 16:24:47 1230768000 16:25:42 (Don't just feed it the value of (make-datime 2009 01 01 00 00 00) -- 2009-01-01 at 00:00:00 in TAI was not 2009-01-01T00:00:00Z.) 16:25:54 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:26:07 ahh ok 16:26:13 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:26:29 How many leap seconds had there been on since 1972 on 2009-01-01T00:00:00Z? 16:26:37 I don't have a conversor from utc to tai 16:26:50 that is still not implemented 16:27:01 That's OK -- you can just count leap seconds and, in this case, add them naively, because 2009-01-01T00:00:00Z was not a leap second. 16:27:12 the point is 16:27:20 all leap seconds were added to the minute 16:27:33 so, when a utc minute had 61 seconds 16:27:46 the "posix time correspondent minute" had 60 seconds 16:27:49 right? 16:28:15 there is no 59 seconds minute in utc, and 60 seconds minute in posix, at the same time. 16:28:20 ahhh 16:28:23 I see the difference now 16:28:34 it's possible to have 2 repeated seconds in posix time?! 16:28:51 Well, 60 distinct names for the seconds in that minute. The duration of time named by the POSIX and UTC names for that `minute' still lasted 61 SI seconds, but POSIX had only 60 distinct names -- two distinct intervals, each 1 SI second in duration, share a common name in POSIX time. 16:29:44 Here's what a POSIX clock looked like at the end of 2008, the lines representing distinct, consecutive intervals of duration 1 SI second each, labelled with the ISO 8601 names for the corresponding UTC dates: 16:30:03 -!- masm [~masm@bl15-72-73.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:30:17 1230767998 (2008-12-31T23:59:58Z) 16:30:21 1230767999 (2008-12-31T23:59:59Z) 16:30:32 1230768000 (2008-12-31T23:59:60Z) 16:30:40 1230768000 (2009-01-01T00:00:00Z) 16:30:44 1230768001 (2009-01-01T00:00:01Z) 16:30:50 1230768002 (2009-01-01T00:00:02Z) 16:30:51 &c. 16:30:55 yeah 16:30:56 repeated 16:31:11 the point is 16:31:18 the repetition only happens in second 60 16:31:21 which I don't have, in datime 16:31:29 which makes my functions give the "right" result 16:31:51 No, it's not quite right. How do you write the date 2009-01-01T00:00:00Z in TAI? 16:31:58 I don't. 16:32:06 I mean, not with my function 16:32:13 I'd have to convert by hand 16:32:32 OK, if I held a gun to your head and gave you a pencil and asked you to write down on a piece of paper the date 2009-01-01T00:00:00Z, in TAI, what would you write? 16:32:42 hehehe 16:32:53 wait 16:33:29 I'd subtract 24 secs from that 16:33:33 34* 16:33:41 or 33 16:34:11 Almost. You add 34: add 10 + the number of leap seconds since 1972. 16:34:11 (wait) 16:34:28 yes... gotta add. 16:35:13 Now, when I say `add 34', I mean that you naively do the addition in the broken-down representation of the date, carrying to the `units' in the next place (up to minutes, to hours, to days, &c.), and hope that you don't cross another leap second while you're doing so. 16:35:28 So what's that date, written in TAI? 16:35:40 2009-01-35 ? 16:35:44 ops 16:35:50 ...er. No, January has only 31 days... 16:35:56 2009-01-01 00:00:54 ? 16:35:59 2009-01-01 00:00:34 ? 16:36:06 Right. 16:37:09 But if you feed (make-datime 2009 01 01 00 00 34) -- which, as you said, represents 2009-01-01 at 00:00:34 in TAI --, then you'll get back 1230768034, but that's not the POSIX time for 2009-01-01 at 00:00:34 in TAI; rather, it's the POSIX time for 2009-01-01 at 00:01:08 in TAI. 16:37:19 Sorry, I mean: if you feed that datime to DATIME->POSIX-TIME, &c. 16:37:23 that's right. 16:37:29 if I converted, then it'd be wrong. 16:38:08 the point is that since all the leap seconds were added to the minute, I can just suppose the utc date is a tai date. 16:38:26 that's why my conversor "works" up to now 16:38:41 but I get why it's problematic 16:38:48 I don't quite understand what you just said. 16:39:19 If you interpret the datime as a UTC date, then DATIME->POSIX-TIME works. But earlier you said that a datime is to be interpreted as a TAI date. 16:39:20 feeding (make-datine 2009 1 1 0 0 0) to datime->unix-time 16:39:28 has the same effect as 16:39:32 feeding the right tai time 16:39:49 for the utc date 2009 01 01 00 00 00 16:40:09 (wait -- I got lost myself) 16:40:23 that's right 16:40:37 feeding (make-datine 2009 1 1 0 0 0) to datime->unix-time has the same effect as feeding the right tai time for the utc date 2009 01 01 00 00 00 16:40:43 Basically, the code you have written correctly implements a map from a subset of UTC dates to POSIX times. 16:40:44 which is that with seconds 34 16:41:07 and, then, subtracting the number of leap seconds. 16:41:11 It doesn't have the same effect: (datime->posix-time (make-datim 2009 1 1 0 0 0)) behaves differently from (datime->posix-time (make-datime 2009 1 1 0 0 34)). 16:41:21 [13:41] and, then, subtracting the number of leap seconds. 16:41:31 obviously because one has 0 as seconds 16:41:35 and the other has 34 as seconds 16:41:36 hehe. 16:41:50 but that'll stop working when a leap second is subtracted from the minute, and not added. 16:41:57 Oh, OK. Well, sure. 16:42:10 hey 16:42:16 I can't continue this convo here 16:42:54 frieds are here 16:43:08 vu3rdd` [~vu3rdd@122.166.88.164] has joined #scheme 16:43:11 we set up some games here... gotta go there 16:43:14 thanks for help, once more. 16:43:25 OK. Tell your friends all about time & date! 16:43:33 well 16:43:34 I do 16:43:37 they're programmers too 16:44:00 carleastlund [~cce@gotham.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 16:44:30 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@fsf/member/vu3rdd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:45:22 -!- emporas [~emporas@athedsl-170655.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:45:56 hi Riastradh :) 16:46:56 Hi. 16:47:22 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:50:03 pdlogan [~patrick@75-164-189-139.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 16:50:22 copumpkin [~pumpkin@17.101.89.204] has joined #scheme 16:50:22 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@17.101.89.204] has quit [Changing host] 16:50:22 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 16:50:41 emporas [~emporas@athedsl-170655.home.otenet.gr] has joined #scheme 16:51:07 -!- tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:51:18 bohanlon [~bohanlon@66.170.231.44] has joined #scheme 16:51:49 `Emoparting'? 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18:35:32 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-0-72.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:40:45 pytho [814ff4ab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.79.244.171] has joined #scheme 18:40:55 arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has joined #scheme 18:42:11 -!- Blkt` [~user@93-33-132-65.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:43:53 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-101.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:45:25 orgs: generate a TAGS file using etags then m-x visit-tags-table ---- then m-. 18:45:40 rhialt0 [~gschuette@144.142.12.78] has joined #scheme 18:45:47 hey guys, i'm trying to make a program called count-forwards that returns a list from 0 up to and including n.. and i'm also supposed to use a tail-recursive helper procedure (that's the step i'm on) but i'm having trouble doing it. can anyone point me in the right direction? this is my code so far: 18:46:00 jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 18:46:23 scheme standard might help 18:46:32 or dyvbig scheme the language 18:46:39 or sicp or htdp 18:46:44 http://pastebin.com/ss8fbB2V 18:48:31 n = n=1 whiel n < y 18:48:37 or soemthing 18:57:04 see topic 18:57:16 also teach self scheme in fixnum days 18:57:59 pytho, what does, say, (helper 0 (list 1 2 3)) do? 18:58:29 it should return 0 1 2 3 18:58:35 tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 18:58:47 nono. it should return 1 2 3 18:59:17 Hmm...it looks to me as though if it returns anything, it returns only one thing. 18:59:51 sorry rias. I explained it the wrong way before 19:00:17 I'll show you what I mean 19:01:57 http://pastebin.com/8H9ntLjh 19:02:13 I had it backwards 19:03:17 femtooo [~femto@95-89-248-186-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 19:05:19 pytho: you might try tracing the call to see what is actually happening. start with the terminating case, then a case you expect to have one iteration, two iterations, etc. 19:05:53 pytho, can you be specific about the problem you're asking about? You have two procedures both called HELPER, and perhaps more than one problem. 19:06:27 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-248-186-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:07:06 Riastradh: count-forwards is supposed to take n and return the a list containing the numbers 0-n (including n). my helper is supposed to keep track of the current number and the list so far. 19:09:16 Which helper is which/ Can you give them distinct names, and make a new paste with all the relevant code? 19:09:19 ? 19:10:52 yeah. this is the only helper that's relevant: http://pastebin.com/8H9ntLjh. 19:11:23 for ex, when 1 '(2) is the input, it returns (0 1 2) which is what I want it to do 19:11:51 What about (helper 2 '(3))? 19:12:02 zanes [~zane@wall.tripitinc.com] has joined #scheme 19:12:14 that returns 1 2 3. 19:12:32 hmm it should return 0 1 2 3 19:14:29 but when I cons a zero onto that, it doesn't work in the other test case (helper 1 '(2 3))..that returns ( 0 0 1 2 3) 19:15:03 What about (helper 12 '(13))? 19:15:47 ohh i'm sorry 19:15:58 i see my problem 19:16:18 there is no recursion :X 19:21:12 okay, this one returns the list from 0-n: http://pastebin.com/P2t3bFAM 19:21:30 Does anyone know who JRM is, the person who wrote the guide to Scheme macros "for the merely eccentric"? 19:23:01 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:23:28 tauntaun: I believe it is Joe Marshall, http://sites.google.com/site/evalapply/home 19:23:59 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:24:43 I am not familiar with this guide, is it a good one? 19:28:14 -!- gozoner [~ebg@ip68-6-68-92.sb.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:28:40 -!- metasyntax [~taylor@72.86.89.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:29:11 -!- phao [phao@189.107.154.63] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:36 -!- wisey [~Steven@host109-152-179-132.range109-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:29:48 metasyntax [~taylor@72.86.89.174] has joined #scheme 19:32:30 gozoner [~ebg@ip68-6-68-92.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #scheme 19:32:53 -!- emporas [~emporas@athedsl-170655.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:36:26 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-102-155.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 19:38:37 rageous [~Adium@nat-portal-160-94-47-16.uofm.wireless.umn.edu] has joined #scheme 19:39:31 f8l [~f8l@87-205-64-172.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #scheme 19:39:49 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:41:11 copumpkin [~pumpkin@17.101.89.204] has joined #scheme 19:41:11 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@17.101.89.204] has quit [Changing host] 19:41:12 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 19:42:12 -!- silas [~silas@201-1-147-104.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #scheme 19:44:03 pdlogan: doesn't GNU Global only "support C, C++, Yacc, Java and PHP4"? 19:44:47 jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-46.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 19:45:32 emporas [~emporas@athedsl-169182.home.otenet.gr] has joined #scheme 19:47:35 -!- arcfide [1000@c-69-136-0-72.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #scheme 19:47:42 orgs - dunno. I use "exuberant ctags"... http://ctags.sourceforge.net/ 19:48:22 pdlogan: I see, thank you. 19:50:21 -!- Agari [~Agari@185.Red-79-152-234.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Quit] 19:52:31 -!- emporas [~emporas@athedsl-169182.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:57:34 tmi [~tmi@138.n0.bofiber.no] has joined #scheme 20:03:43 femtoo [~femto@95-89-248-186-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 20:04:58 emporas [~emporas@athedsl-170990.home.otenet.gr] has joined #scheme 20:06:06 -!- ljames [~ln@unaffiliated/ljames] has quit [] 20:07:10 -!- femtooo [~femto@95-89-248-186-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:13:40 -!- rageous [~Adium@nat-portal-160-94-47-16.uofm.wireless.umn.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:16:42 -!- tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:17:15 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:21:00 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-46.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:22:55 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-164-64.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:26:26 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 20:30:43 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-248-186-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:32:18 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-153-127-82.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:32:36 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-164-103.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 20:44:59 langmartin [~user@exeuntcha2.tva.gov] has joined #scheme 21:02:56 -!- zanes [~zane@wall.tripitinc.com] has quit [Quit: zanes] 21:04:48 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-164-103.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:12:28 -!- ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 21:12:32 jesusito [~user@220.pool85-49-234.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #scheme 21:12:48 ray [~ray@2001:41c8:1:54da::4444:1337] has joined #scheme 21:17:35 teurastaja [~user@modemcable182.177-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 21:23:21 -!- pytho [814ff4ab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.79.244.171] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:23:40 bzzbzz_ [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 21:25:17 -!- teurastaja [~user@modemcable182.177-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:25:32 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:25:33 teurastaja [~user@modemcable182.177-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 21:31:28 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 21:32:53 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-21.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:34:16 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-21.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:36:43 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-21.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 21:36:51 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-21.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:42:10 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-21.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:43:04 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-21.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:30 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 21:44:41 -!- bohanlon [~bohanlon@66.170.231.44] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:46:29 I've learnt a lot about time in #scheme. :-) 21:46:46 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-21.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:46:54 About time? How so? 21:46:58 space-time? 21:47:48 fds: haha, nice 21:47:52 Are you guys in the same channel as me? 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45PABT3K9 [~pattern@unaffiliated/pattern] has joined #scheme 23:23:43 Time is a fickle thing. 23:24:52 schmir [~schmir@p54A90965.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:29:13 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A90965.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35:42 steshaw [~steshaw@60-240-111-207.tpgi.com.au] has joined #scheme 23:35:44 -!- steshaw [~steshaw@60-240-111-207.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Client Quit] 23:36:10 (define (time) ..) 23:36:14 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 23:36:50 or (define (make-time) 23:37:44 im sure someone could do that 23:38:01 not now though 23:38:12 and not here 23:38:19 but perhaps 23:39:22 (and (thing? time) (fickle? time)) => #t 23:39:56 lol 23:40:20 not quite a define but still 23:41:18 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-0-72.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:41:32 anyone here had enough physics to define time? 23:42:21 -!- jesusito [~user@220.pool85-49-234.dynamic.orange.es] has left #scheme 23:42:44 (DEFINE TIME +NAN.0) 23:43:10 Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.183.197] has joined #scheme 23:43:43 thats an infinity but its not tied to space yet 23:43:51 bgs100 [~ian@h186.170.17.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #scheme 23:43:52 -!- bgs100 [~ian@h186.170.17.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:43:53 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 23:45:02 -!- MapMan [mapman@host-62-141-192-113.swidnica.mm.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:46:00 its a dimension 23:46:45 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 23:47:17 MapMan [mapman@78.9.29.198] has joined #scheme 23:51:41 -!- rageous [~Adium@76.164.12.8] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:57:30 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:57:32 Physically, time might be something like that. But psychologically, time is quite different, being entirely reconstructed. We live in a virtual time, with a non-linear mapping to the physical time. 23:58:50 deep