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But 7.2alpha5 is supposedly "better" for Guile, or so I hear.) 02:28:55 elly: Rematch is even more fun. :-) 02:30:03 http://www.ifwiki.org/index.php/Rematch 02:33:45 cky: interesting! 02:34:50 :-D 02:35:50 cky: you could file a wishlist bug for libgc... 02:37:28 *nods* 02:39:34 blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has joined #scheme 02:42:29 -!- mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:54:51 -!- myu2 [~myu2@x108121.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:57:14 dnolen_ [~davidnole@pool-96-224-28-127.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 02:58:10 rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has joined #scheme 03:00:05 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@pool-68-161-103-147.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:00:05 -!- dnolen_ is now known as dnolen 03:14:29 -!- tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-43511b93.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:17:56 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@nat/cisco/x-urgfganfwgmdmhzj] has joined #scheme 03:17:57 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@nat/cisco/x-urgfganfwgmdmhzj] has quit [Changing host] 03:17:57 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@fsf/member/vu3rdd] has joined #scheme 03:24:12 -!- Nisstyre is now known as Nisstyre65 03:24:17 -!- Nisstyre65 is now known as Nisstyre 03:52:19 mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:52:34 timj__ [~timj@e176197171.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:55:25 steshaw [~steshaw@60-240-111-207.tpgi.com.au] has joined #scheme 03:56:38 -!- timj_ [~timj@e176195031.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:16:01 -!- zanes [~zane@wall.tripitinc.com] has quit [Quit: zanes] 04:17:29 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:28:49 bremner: w00t 04:48:53 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-148-140.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:48:58 adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 04:57:22 myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 05:08:29 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:10:47 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 05:15:06 copumpkin [~pumpkin@rrcs-184-75-32-88.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #scheme 05:15:07 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@rrcs-184-75-32-88.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 05:15:07 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 05:16:37 Is it me, or does it take 5 minutes of 100% CPU time to build just one ".go" file in guile? 05:17:17 -!- mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:19:16 offby1: Only for psyntax. 05:19:24 offby1: But psyntax is...well, what it is. :-D 05:19:35 offby1: You know it's a monster of a file, especially in expanded form. 05:20:24 mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:25:31 boot-9 is also slow :-| 05:30:31 boot-9 is large too. 05:30:37 It's the equivalent of the Haskell Prelude. 05:31:34 I've found, though, that boot-9 doesn't take as atrociously long to compile as psyntax does. 05:32:38 Huh, though, a cursory glance of ls -lSr in the ice-9 directory contradicts what I say: 05:32:45 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 305092 Feb 16 09:34 psyntax-pp.go 05:32:45 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 362524 Feb 16 09:34 boot-9.go 05:32:58 So it certainly thinks boot-9 is bigger than psyntax. 05:42:05 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-115-162.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:50:13 -!- teurastaja [~user@modemcable182.177-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 05:52:18 phao [phao@189.107.135.15] has joined #scheme 05:55:01 gc.test has been running for 17 minutes ... 05:56:15 -!- myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:18 Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.169.177] has joined #scheme 06:01:01 offby1: Yipes! 06:02:33 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:07:20 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 06:10:26 myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 06:13:47 NihilistDandy [~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:16:08 -!- xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-qeltbgyijecszojv] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:18:05 -!- mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:19:03 xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-cjhxaqzkehxvmaas] has joined #scheme 06:20:42 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-137-147.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 06:24:29 user18 [~user@p5B2A9E8B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 06:28:05 -!- user17 [~user@p5B2A9D65.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:31:59 still "running", but not using any CPU 06:32:06 -!- blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:32:48 offby1: O_o 06:32:58 offby1: I wonder what strace says it's waiting on. 06:33:00 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@pool-96-224-28-127.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 06:33:15 *cky* runs make check to see if it is reproducible here. 06:33:38 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-137-147.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 06:34:02 -!- saccade [~saccade@c-67-180-11-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:34:58 Guile's release notes say that it now supports SRFI-45! :-o 06:35:04 fds: Win!! 06:35:07 I'm so happy. 06:35:17 Implementing SRFI 41 is easier when SRFI 45 is in place. 06:35:51 *fds* does the git dance 06:36:41 offby1: My make check run has finished. 06:37:30 offby1: I will say, though, that I'm using a git checkout (of the stable-2.0 branch) rather than the tarball, so that may be one difference. 06:37:42 offby1: I'm also using libgc 7.1. 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be a hell 13:07:11 and if you want to pepper some (print) functions, it's not as simple as writing one anywhere, because sometimes you'll have to use (begin) to add it, making the code more complex 13:12:43 masm [~masm@bl19-133-159.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 13:30:54 Harrold [~quassel@134.117.254.250] has joined #scheme 13:31:53 Caleb--: I don't know, I have never found that to be a source of pain 13:32:08 adding new levels of tree is trivial with paredit-mode 13:32:45 how do you usually debug scheme code? only by adding debug output? 13:33:08 or do you use a stepper as well? 13:33:50 *mario-goulart* uses print for debugging 13:34:53 print also here 13:35:38 is paredit some kind of an emacs addon ? 13:35:50 Yes 13:36:02 i se 13:36:04 see* 13:37:10 i'm using DrRacket, so that might explain some of the annoyances ;-) 13:38:20 :-) 13:38:43 I don't use paredit, TBH. 13:38:57 Caleb--: on the other hand, DrRacket _has_ a debugger. 13:39:30 RaceCondition [~erik@cs78144055.pp.htv.fi] 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I was using whatever libgc comes stock with ubuntu 10.10 14:52:05 -!- Harrold [~quassel@134.117.254.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:53:21 tupi_ [~david@189.60.162.71] has joined #scheme 14:53:22 -!- tupi [~david@189.60.162.71] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:58:37 karme` [~user@stgt-5f73b7a4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 15:00:12 schmir [~schmir@p54A903AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 15:00:16 -!- karme` [~user@stgt-5f73b7a4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:04 -!- karme [~user@stgt-5f70c736.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:02:26 -!- RaceCondition [~erik@cs78144055.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03:47 RaceCondition [~erik@cs78144055.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 15:06:42 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme 15:09:53 hmm 15:10:00 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 15:10:05 given the symbol '+ or '-, can i get the procedure itself? 15:10:24 i'm traversing this list '(+ 1 2 (- 2 3 (1 5 0))) 15:10:32 and i want to do (apply (car lst) ... ) 15:11:33 i'll just throw an if statement there 15:14:44 Adamant [~Adamant@c-68-51-145-83.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:14:44 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@c-68-51-145-83.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:14:44 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #scheme 15:15:12 -!- hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15:47 -!- RaceCondition [~erik@cs78144055.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:16:38 Caleb--: if you're writing a real evaluator, then the "if statement" is the traditional choice. 15:16:48 You can use "eval" but there are problems with that 15:17:01 it's a questyion on the exam 15:17:07 i can't use eval, and it's not an evaluator 15:17:15 yeah, I'd do it the dumb way, then :) 15:17:21 don't want to tax the grader's brain. 15:17:33 the thing is 15:17:40 this function is supposed to do arithmetic 15:17:50 the example list was the one i posted above, it had only + and - 15:18:05 what if i want to support * and / ? 15:18:36 RaceCondition [~erik@cs78144055.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 15:18:38 there's only 1 short line to write the code for the first parameter of apply... so if they wanted more operations then this is not the way to go 15:20:41 maybe the point is to call the evaluator on the remaining list? 15:21:22 this question had nothing to do with the evaluator 15:21:24 they're usually separate 15:21:30 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A903AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:22:00 aisa [~aisa@173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 15:22:54 oh well, maybe it was +/- after alll ;) 15:23:53 Caleb--: so add * and /. There's no law that says you have to support every conceivable arithmetic operation. 15:24:41 yeah 15:25:52 today i was doing this question, and i had to add (repeat-unless .... ) to the MCE... and they wrongly described the algorithm... they said, execute the s only if is true 15:26:28 i bet that during the test itself someone figured it out and they corrected it, but it wasn't fixed on the docs that they uploaded to the site ;) 15:26:55 tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has joined #scheme 15:27:31 *offby1* idly wonders what MCE is 15:27:57 metacircular evaluator 15:28:10 myu2 [~myu2@x108121.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #scheme 15:31:04 if you have only a few static values in the environment, like +,-.., you could use something like (define (solve exp) (cond ((assq exp `((+ . ,+) (- . ,-) (* . ,*) (/ . ,/))) => cdr) ((number? exp) exp) (else (apply (solve (car exp)) (map solve (cdr exp)))))) 15:31:34 Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.169.177] has joined #scheme 15:34:53 -!- Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.169.177] has quit [Client Quit] 15:36:11 tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 15:36:25 evhan [~evhan@76.250.39.229] has joined #scheme 15:39:13 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.167.227.51] has joined #scheme 15:39:13 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.167.227.51] has quit [Changing host] 15:39:13 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@fsf/member/vu3rdd] has joined #scheme 15:39:16 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:46:43 langmartin [~user@exeuntcha2.tva.gov] has joined #scheme 15:47:39 femtoo [~femto@95-89-196-67-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 15:59:03 yorick [yorick@unaffiliated/yorick] has joined #scheme 16:06:53 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 16:07:33 jesusito [~user@58.pool85-49-45.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #scheme 16:07:39 bweaver [~user@host-68-169-175-225.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 16:10:33 Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.169.177] has joined #scheme 16:11:08 sure 16:11:27 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-196-67-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:31 Euthydemus` [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 16:20:51 -!- jesusito [~user@58.pool85-49-45.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:21:32 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:30:40 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31:45 pdlogan [~patrick@75-164-189-139.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 16:34:03 interglacial [~interglac@95.148.218.217] has joined #scheme 16:37:05 -!- interglacial [~interglac@95.148.218.217] has quit [Client Quit] 16:37:21 interglacial [~interglac@95.148.218.217] has joined #scheme 16:40:14 corruptmemory [~jim@96.246.167.18] has joined #scheme 16:40:28 neilcj [~neilcj@c-174-49-216-137.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:41:20 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:50:44 mmc [~michal@85.90.76.130] has joined #scheme 16:52:08 copumpkin [~pumpkin@gw1.mcgraw-hill.com] has joined #scheme 16:52:08 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@gw1.mcgraw-hill.com] has quit [Changing host] 16:52:08 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 16:58:21 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@210-11-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #scheme 17:00:09 -!- masm [~masm@bl19-133-159.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:08:53 -!- pygospa [~pygospa@kiel-4d067cf6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:09:02 pygospa [~pygospa@kiel-d9bfdba5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 17:10:59 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:11:24 rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has joined #scheme 17:14:09 -!- interglacial [~interglac@95.148.218.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:18:12 jfalcon [~jfalcon@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 17:19:02 carleastlund [~cce@gotham.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 17:23:19 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 17:24:33 -!- Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.169.177] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:25:39 femtoo [~femto@95-89-196-67-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 17:25:50 masm [~masm@2.80.133.159] has joined #scheme 17:28:53 interglacial [~interglac@95.149.4.18] has joined #scheme 17:29:57 jesusito [~user@58.pool85-49-45.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #scheme 17:50:47 -!- Hal9k [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [] 17:51:03 offby1: Wait, how did you successfully run configure using the stock Ubuntu libgc? I'm curious, because it's too old of a version to use, and configure should have stopped after checking. 17:51:32 Did you install a custom bdwgc.pc that gives a fake version number or something? I'm perplexed. 17:52:11 -!- mathk [~mathk@lns-bzn-40-82-251-181-29.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:24 mathk [~mathk@lns-bzn-61-82-250-103-12.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 17:53:02 jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-87.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 17:53:10 -!- jfalcon [~jfalcon@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has left #scheme 17:57:48 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 17:59:01 Hal9k [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 17:59:34 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 18:09:08 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:10:17 -!- ASau [~user@93-80-218-22.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11:16 ASau [~user@93-80-218-22.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 18:18:16 -!- tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:22:31 -!- RaceCondition [~erik@cs78144055.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: RaceCondition] 18:25:09 kenjin2201 [~kenjin@58.230.108.42] has joined #scheme 18:27:59 teurastaja [~user@modemcable182.177-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 18:29:17 rubybot: 'test 18:29:32 is it rudybot? 18:29:41 rudybot: 'test 18:29:43 teurastaja: your sandbox is ready 18:29:43 teurastaja: ; Value: test 18:29:50 hehe 18:30:15 rudybot: what implementation are you proogrammed with 18:30:16 teurastaja: error: reference to undefined identifier: what 18:30:16 ? 18:32:57 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@210-11-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:33:30 rudybot: (banner) 18:33:31 jonrafkind: your sandbox is ready 18:33:31 jonrafkind: ; Value: "Welcome to Racket v5.0.1.\n" 18:33:49 rudy needs an upgrade ;) 18:34:05 oh its racket 18:34:21 git clone git://github.com/offby1/rudybot.git 18:35:35 git clone git://github.com/offby1/rudybot.git && cat rudybot/TODO 18:35:51 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 18:36:49 racket seems like a bloated language of its own 18:37:13 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-177-5.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:30 teurastaja: well, that is a pretty combative way of putting it. Did you not have enough fights yet today? ;) 18:37:47 im not seeking a fight 18:37:49 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-177-5.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 18:37:59 and i just woke up 18:39:19 nah i just saw that rudybot uses racket 18:39:30 *amoe* will start answering questions with 'reference to undefined identifier' in daily life :) 18:40:59 why dont you find an algorithm for ai classification like the one i read about on wikiversity i think let me check 18:42:21 teurastaja: I have an all-natural algorithm already! Organic and served on rye bread 18:42:27 -!- Caleb-- [~caleb@109.64.202.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:43:40 the name looked like an indian name 18:43:57 i think it was ryk* 18:44:06 or something like that 18:46:25 *amoe* would name his algorithm 'Triskelion Algorithm' 18:46:35 take that dijkstra 18:47:17 Harrold [~seppl@bas1-ottawa11-1176121557.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #scheme 18:48:35 http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:Optimal_classification 18:48:45 how can I append 2 lists by copying first the elements of list1 into a new list and then the elements of list2 into the new list? I want to avoid the append function, since I can still modify the values of the new list by changing an old value 18:48:53 the name is rypka 18:50:26 Harrold, probably (set-cdr! foo bar) 18:50:32 if rypka could be applied to random questions it could help 18:50:34 now you can modify bar and the entier list will be modified as well 18:50:43 pattern_ [~pattern@unaffiliated/pattern] has joined #scheme 18:52:53 -!- pattern [~pattern@unaffiliated/pattern] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:52:53 -!- pattern_ is now known as pattern 18:54:45 hmm 18:54:52 I don't want to modify the list. 18:55:09 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-196-67-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:55:26 you'll have to invent your own list datastructure probably 18:55:39 for an append function? 18:55:39 rypka broke my brain very quick 18:55:42 pattern_ [~pattern@unaffiliated/pattern] has joined #scheme 18:55:51 Agari [~Agari@180.Red-81-33-92.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 18:55:53 eh.. procedure 18:56:02 for an append function that creates a new list but somehow retains points to the old lists 18:56:06 pointers* 18:56:38 I don't want anything pointing to the old list. I want to copy the values from the old list into the new returned list. 18:56:46 So I can modify the pointers, but the old list stays untouched 18:57:24 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:57:25 so why dont you want to use append? 18:57:49 append uses const, which keeps pointers to the old list 18:58:01 in what implementation? 18:58:06 R5RS 18:58:58 thats not an implementation, but anyway you can copy all the elements to the new list 18:59:28 -!- pattern [~pattern@unaffiliated/pattern] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:59:28 -!- pattern_ is now known as pattern 18:59:29 I tried with append, when I modified an old list, the value in the new list was modified too 19:01:06 (let loop ([new '()] [list1 list1] [list2 list2]) (cond ([(and (null? list1 list2)) (reverse all)] [(null? list1) (loop (cons (car list2) all) list1 (cdr list2)] [else (loop (cons (car list1) all) (cdr list1) list2)])) 19:01:11 something like that I guess 19:01:49 hmm 19:09:08 I will give it a try 19:09:09 thanks 19:13:08 Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 19:13:14 RaceCondition [~erik@dsl-hkibrasgw4-fe5ddc00-120.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #scheme 19:14:19 -!- augiedoggie [~cpr@unaffiliated/cpr420] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:14:23 Caleb-- [~caleb@109.64.202.178] has joined #scheme 19:16:21 Pritchard [c7da6b03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.199.218.107.3] has joined #scheme 19:16:31 srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has joined #scheme 19:16:35 Hi. I'd like to start coding in scheme. Where can I get an interpreter/compiler? 19:19:52 MIT-Scheme, Scheme48, Chicken, Bigloo, Racket, Gambit, etc. are all freely availably 19:19:56 available 19:20:01 Pritchard: http://racket-lang.org/ or http://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/ there are many others, but these two seem to have alot of training material based on them 19:20:16 Pritchard, download.racket-lang.org has Racket, which supports the Racket dialect of Scheme as well as the R5RS and R6RS standards. 19:20:22 interglacial: Yeah. I was hoping for a "most recommended" :) 19:20:50 Pritchard: "most recommended" might start a distribution war :) 19:21:05 *Pritchard* is secretly plotting :P 19:21:11 mmc1 [~michal@82-148-210-75.fiber.unet.nl] has joined #scheme 19:21:44 Pritchard is secretly plotting, but publicly Scheming! (While I am simply Racketeering.) 19:21:55 jonrafkind, what did you mean with implementation? 19:22:06 like guile or chez or something like that 19:22:11 oh 19:22:13 r5rs is a standard 19:22:14 drracket 19:22:29 well that's the program I'm using 19:22:30 ok, do you really want to use r5rs? drracket supports a "better" mode 19:22:36 namely, #lang racket 19:22:44 I don't want to use it, I HAVE to use it 19:22:49 rofl 19:24:19 from thinking in c++ to scheme... what a great change 19:24:20 lol 19:25:29 R5RS or R6RS? 19:25:35 -!- myu2 [~myu2@x108121.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:25:39 R5RS 19:26:29 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-87.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:26:29 To clarify, I was asking which standard I should look for an implementation of if I'm programming in scheme. 19:27:01 For all I know R6RS comes with double-booster rocket engines, and I'm missing out by learning anything else. 19:27:10 on a meta level, its intereting that you thought "r5rs or r6rs?" was a meaningful question 19:27:25 Pritchard, if you want to program for practical purposes and aren't going to port things to another implementation, pick an implementation and use all of its features whether they're standardized or not. 19:27:45 carleastlund: Understood. 19:27:59 I'll assume most implementations are "reasonable" and won't steer me off a cliff. 19:28:18 Not sure what cliff you're worried about being steered off of. 19:28:35 Neither am I. I don't know scheme. 19:28:38 Racket will steer you off the cliff of AWESOME, but that's not a bad thing. ;) ;) ;) 19:28:53 lol haha. 19:29:14 And you crash into an explosion of wickedness. 19:31:50 Racket has probably deviated the most from "traditional" Scheme :) [this may or may not be a bad thing for you] 19:32:40 zanes [~zane@wall.tripitinc.com] has joined #scheme 19:35:39 Idk, I just want to be an efficient programmer. Racket looks good enough for me. 19:36:18 efficient programming in scheme? 19:37:21 I wouldn't know. I'm learning scheme just to do it. 19:37:41 I'd like to write a scheme interpreter in scheme. 19:38:56 And I'd like to learn closures. 19:39:37 -!- ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41:24 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-177-5.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:41:37 ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has joined #scheme 19:41:45 Pritchard: http://www.htdp.org/ is a good place to start learning the basics of Racket-like programming; http://www.plai.org/ is a good place to learn about writing interpreters once you've got some Scheme/Racket under your belt. Both are online text books. 19:42:26 Wow thank you. 19:43:32 tauntaun [~Antoninus@ool-43511b93.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 19:46:40 -!- evhan [~evhan@76.250.39.229] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:47:58 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-177-5.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 19:50:26 evhan [~evhan@76-250-39-229.lightspeed.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 19:52:39 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@fsf/member/vu3rdd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:50 augiedoggie [~cpr@unaffiliated/cpr420] has joined #scheme 20:03:36 femtoo [~femto@95-89-196-67-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 20:05:27 -!- pygospa [~pygospa@kiel-d9bfdba5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:06:02 pygospa [~pygospa@kiel-d9bfdba5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 20:10:16 -!- pygospa [~pygospa@kiel-d9bfdba5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:10:20 -!- RaceCondition [~erik@dsl-hkibrasgw4-fe5ddc00-120.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: RaceCondition] 20:10:42 pygospa 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has joined #scheme 23:34:27 -!- stamourv [~user@ahuntsic.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:44 stamourv [~user@ahuntsic.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 23:46:31 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.144.171.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46:49 tronador_ [~guille@190.144.171.111] has joined #scheme 23:49:17 aisa [~aisa@209.234.140.58] has joined #scheme 23:53:09 -!- mmc1 [~michal@82-148-210-75.fiber.unet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:53:13 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 23:53:48 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.144.171.111] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 23:56:50 -!- steshaw [~steshaw@60-240-111-207.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: steshaw] 23:59:26 does the procedural style of scheme give it a comparative advantage over some other languages when it comes to refactoring? 23:59:59 Yes, sexps alone offer an advantage (as long as you use emacs+paredit).