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as 0 1 and 2. 05:05:52 but in something like, (case some-var ((a b) ...) ((c) ...)) 05:06:01 it only works if some-var is 'a / 'b / 'c 05:06:06 rather than whatever value a/b/c denotes. 05:08:21 perhaps you want... eval? 05:08:21 (danger) 05:09:34 nah 05:09:42 elderK: use "cond" instead of "case" 05:11:02 mmm, cond 05:11:27 eh 05:11:30 I'll just use a jumptable. 05:11:30 :P 05:25:53 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 05:27:29 teurastaja [~user@modemcable182.177-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 05:29:46 steshaw [~steshaw@60-240-111-207.tpgi.com.au] has joined #scheme 05:35:06 -!- steshaw [~steshaw@60-240-111-207.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: steshaw] 05:40:54 -!- offby1 [~user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:41:27 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:44:38 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 05:49:15 steshaw [~steshaw@60-240-111-207.tpgi.com.au] has joined #scheme 05:51:40 Guys, do most scheme compilers actually optimize the conds/cases? 05:52:27 because a chain of ((eq? bla '.....) ...) seems iffy. 05:52:39 lawG [~wit@unaffiliated/hughjass] has joined #scheme 05:56:27 -!- mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:58:02 adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 05:59:34 NihilistDandy [~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:01:04 adu_ [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 06:03:14 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:05:14 -!- adu_ [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:06:37 -!- blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:13:24 adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 06:17:38 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:22:19 adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 06:27:48 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:28:26 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:34:59 adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 06:36:50 saccade [~saccade@c-67-180-11-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:38:59 HG` [~HG@xdslek153.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 06:41:30 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.255.83.103] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 06:42:05 -!- saccade [~saccade@c-67-180-11-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:44:05 em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #scheme 06:45:49 myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 06:47:21 -!- NihilistDandy [~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:48:11 phao [phao@189.107.140.5] has joined #scheme 07:01:37 -!- steshaw [~steshaw@60-240-111-207.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: steshaw] 07:14:56 elderK: I remember a discussion saying it's tricky, because one could dynamically remap the equality used by CASE to something else. But I don't remember what the correct behaviour should be. 07:15:30 elderK: I guess some optimisations do happen, but I wouldn't expect too much there. 07:16:17 It shouldn't be too hard to write a macro that does (case x ((0) ...) ((0 1) ...) (0 1 2) ...) ...) to check wether it is linear or not. 07:25:59 -!- myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:28:12 -!- masm [~masm@bl16-170-191.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:28:18 Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.169.177] has joined #scheme 07:28:58 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:33:07 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:33:44 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 07:33:53 aye 07:34:52 bbs peeps. 07:34:55 going to do some tinkerin' 07:34:55 :) 07:34:57 and thanks Axioplase 07:35:26 -!- elderK [~k@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:38:12 hi 07:48:09 DrDuck [~duck@216.186.151.63] has joined #scheme 07:48:51 hkBst [~quassel@79.170.210.174] has joined #scheme 07:48:53 -!- hkBst [~quassel@79.170.210.174] has quit [Changing host] 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abstract api with: 'union-set', 'intersection-set', 'element-of-set?' and 'adjoin-set'. How would one create a set without one element? 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interglacial [~interglac@95.148.218.45] has joined #scheme 19:26:31 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-167-243.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:34:07 tno [~tomas@a85-138-84-166.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #scheme 19:34:38 -!- tno [~tomas@a85-138-84-166.cpe.netcabo.pt] has left #scheme 19:40:51 -!- tupi__ [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:44:35 hi, can anyone recommend a good gui toolkit for scheme? 19:45:13 interglacial: guile-gnome 19:46:04 cool, thanks. just started learning the language (am using mit-scheme at the moment) will check that out 19:48:16 interglacial: guile-gnome uses guile as its scheme implementation, so you'll find that certain procedures don't match with mit-scheme. 19:49:07 Nothing too confusing though. 19:50:43 i'm looking at the site at the moment, have already got guile so i'll give it a go thanks 19:54:16 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.255.83.103] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 20:03:45 -!- femtooo [~femto@95-89-196-45-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping 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Is it possible to implement some kind of finite-state machine in scheme without using the 'set!' command? 21:01:51 pothos [~pothos@111-240-164-148.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 21:02:03 interglacial, yes 21:02:08 y3llow [~y3llow@111-240-164-148.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 21:02:29 (letrec ([state1 (lambda () (state2)] [state2 (lambda () (state1)])) (state1) 21:03:00 see http://www.cs.brown.edu/~sk/Publications/Papers/Published/sk-automata-macros/ 21:03:01 http://tinyurl.com/26s2zj 21:03:16 githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 21:03:32 hmm, thanks, i need to go back to the books - i think i must have adhd or something 21:10:12 davazp [~user@15.Red-83-57-38.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 21:15:02 interglacial: There's actually a talk given by Shriram Krishnamurthi in which he demonstrates how to do it: http://www.cs.brown.edu/~sk/Publications/Talks/SwineBeforePerl/ 21:15:33 interglacial: The key is tail call elimination + macros 21:15:49 Euthydemus` [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 21:15:53 Adrinael [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has joined #scheme 21:16:54 jesusito` [~user@58.pool85-49-45.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #scheme 21:17:00 I guess the paper linked by samth is actually the same thing, I didn't recognize that 'sk' was Krishnamurthi. 21:17:04 foof` [~user@li126-140.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 21:17:24 levi, yes, that talk goes with the paper i linked to 21:17:41 It's a fun talk anyway, you should watch it. 21:19:26 hey thanks levi and samth! 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