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timeout: 240 seconds] 06:54:33 oh God emacs is slaying me. I swear sometimes people recommend it just because they don't want to feel like they wasted all that time learning it for almost no reason:P 06:54:55 accel_ [~accel@unaffiliated/accel] has joined #scheme 06:55:49 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #scheme 06:57:20 -!- accel [~accel@unaffiliated/accel] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:57:38 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-126-77.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 07:02:39 -!- accel_ [~accel@unaffiliated/accel] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:03:02 accel [~accel@unaffiliated/accel] has joined #scheme 07:23:57 -!- steshaw_ [~steshaw@60-240-111-207.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: steshaw_] 07:31:58 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:37:29 -!- Gmind [~Gmind@113.190.172.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:46:33 qhe [~qhe2@134.134.139.76] has joined #scheme 07:47:19 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 07:47:22 hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 07:49:16 lewis1711: Some would say the same about Lisp. :-P 07:50:38 blergh 07:51:30 I like lisp. well scheme at least. 07:53:27 Sure, and some people say the same about Emacs. 07:54:23 i swear I don't get it. i got vim as it actually seemed faster and was a alot easier to configure, even if it was weird. emacs is a massive hassle for just for some quick copy pasta to a repl 07:55:17 As the saying goes, de gustibus non disputandum est. 07:55:50 does that translate to "latin is for fags"? 07:56:19 Heh. 07:56:47 s/latin/Lisp/, amirite? 07:56:59 Seriously, lots of non-Lispers see it that way. :-P 07:57:12 All in all, it's just a matter of personal taste. 07:58:39 well, downloading something called lambda beans. I like netbeans enough so here's hoping 07:58:49 Heh. 07:59:15 lewis1711: Runs the REPL from emacs then. 07:59:40 what? 08:00:27 You were complaning about coping and pasting from emacs to repl, weren't you? 08:01:07 no 08:01:20 just that configuring emacs was a lot of hassle just for the ability to do that quickly 08:01:46 -!- accel [~accel@unaffiliated/accel] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:02:07 Oh, OK. 08:02:33 I should just plug in my old harddrive, I had a pretty nice .emacs in there 08:09:37 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 08:10:51 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-253-179.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 08:13:30 cky: you said you used vim, right? any .vimrc lines you'd be able to share for scheme indenting? ^_^ 08:15:33 lewis1711: No, but some people swear by "set ai lisp". 08:15:53 Its autoindentation rules aren't as neat as Emacs's though. 08:17:49 i wouldn't know, emacs hasn't worked well enough for me to bother doing much for it:P I liked drrackets indenting though 08:20:30 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 08:32:04 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:32:44 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 08:38:02 lewis1711: I'm a vimist. I have used vim for ages. I use vim for everything. Except for lisp, where I fire emacs/slime/paredit. Even though my editing skills in emacs suck, paredit/slime still make me a lot more efficient than other tools. 08:39:06 (I should try again alternatives, but I don't have time for that. 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I just doubt my ability to spend a lot of time getting it to behave how I want it or alternately, behaving how emacs wants me too. 08:47:39 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 08:47:39 _danb_ [~user@124-149-166-62.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 08:47:39 timj__ [~timj@e176197151.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 08:47:39 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-139-154.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 08:47:39 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-139-154.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 08:47:39 pumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 08:47:39 stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #scheme 08:47:39 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-48-164.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 08:47:39 felipe [~felipe@unaffiliated/felipe] has joined #scheme 08:47:39 lusory [~bart@bb219-74-218-205.singnet.com.sg] has joined #scheme 08:47:39 rudybot [~luser@ec2-67-202-7-151.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #scheme 08:47:39 jimrees [~jimrees@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 08:47:39 Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-17-38.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #scheme 08:47:39 Fill [~Fill@unaffiliated/fill] has joined #scheme 08:47:39 rins [~user@173-162-214-174-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 08:47:39 dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #scheme 08:47:39 wgd [~will@76-205-0-91.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 08:47:39 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 08:47:39 jensn [~ceres@c-83-233-145-103.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #scheme 08:47:39 Leonidas [~Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas] has joined #scheme 08:47:50 peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 08:47:50 Hal9k [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 08:47:50 aSean__ [~aSean@134-208-39-197.ndhu.edu.tw] has joined #scheme 08:47:50 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-158-125.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 08:47:50 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #scheme 08:47:54 well, syntax colouring, indentation, repl and (magnificient) completion suffice for me here. 08:48:03 C-Keen [ckeen@pestilenz.org] has joined #scheme 08:48:03 unkanon2 [~unkanon@rrcs-69-193-217-130.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #scheme 08:48:03 ecraven [~user@140.78.42.213] has joined #scheme 08:48:03 incubot [~incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has joined #scheme 08:48:03 saccade [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 08:48:03 askhader [~askhader@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 08:48:03 lotia [~lotia@l.monkey.org] has joined #scheme 08:48:03 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 08:48:03 Zahl [~kenneth@lnx101.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #scheme 08:48:03 Tasser [~freak@subtle/contributor/Tass] has joined #scheme 08:48:03 Pepe_ [~ppjet@bouah.net] has joined #scheme 08:48:03 tonyg [~tonyg@navarone.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 08:48:03 ada2358 [~ada2358@login.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 08:48:03 XTL [~t6haha00@2001:708:510:33::deca] has joined #scheme 08:48:03 elly [~elly@atheme/member/elly] has joined #scheme 08:48:03 mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #scheme 08:48:52 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 08:48:52 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 08:48:52 acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-43-164.gmavt.net] has joined #scheme 08:48:52 preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 08:48:52 devn [~defn@rot13.pbqr.org] has joined #scheme 08:48:52 Caleb-- [thedude@bzq-79-179-47-115.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #scheme 08:48:52 alexsuraci [~alexsurac@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 08:48:52 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 08:48:52 chandler [~bem@opendarwin/developer/chandler] has joined #scheme 08:48:52 `micro [~micro@www.bway.net] has joined #scheme 08:48:52 samth [~samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 08:48:52 sloyd [sloyd@station457.vo3.net] has joined #scheme 08:48:52 timchen1` [tim@163.16.211.21] has joined #scheme 08:48:52 certainty [~david@matrix.d-coded.de] has joined #scheme 08:48:52 spacebat [~spacebat@ubermonkey.net] has joined #scheme 08:50:13 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:50:26 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:52:04 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 08:52:22 ah hooray i figured out how to load a file in the gambit repl. I'll be productive in no time!:D 08:53:07 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 09:00:38 -!- dakeyras [~dakeyras@pool-173-64-149-152.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: dakeyras] 09:08:05 -!- sjamaan [~sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:09:20 peter_ [~sjamaan@frohike.xs4all.nl] has joined #scheme 09:09:48 -!- peter_ is now known as sjamaan 09:10:01 -!- sjamaan [~sjamaan@frohike.xs4all.nl] has quit [Changing host] 09:10:01 sjamaan [~sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan] has joined #scheme 09:10:44 -!- myu2_ [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:12:36 -!- hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:16:33 hmm anybody here use gambit? #gambit is pretty slow:) 09:18:04 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:34:17 -!- kanru [~kanru@61-30-10-70.static.tfn.net.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:42:22 hkBst [~quassel@79.170.210.174] has joined #scheme 09:42:23 -!- hkBst [~quassel@79.170.210.174] has quit [Changing host] 09:42:23 hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 09:49:24 kanru [~kanru@61-30-10-70.static.tfn.net.tw] has joined #scheme 09:51:14 -!- Caleb-- [thedude@bzq-79-179-47-115.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:51:36 mmc [~michal@cs27120227.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 09:53:32 lewis1711: I do. 09:53:37 But I'm very busy now. 09:53:49 You can also use the mailing list. 09:53:50 hum, (place-image (circle 5 "solid" "green") 50 80 (empty-scene 100 100)) doesn't give me http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/matthias/HtDP2e/grid-scene.png but the same without grid 09:54:03 aha. I've figured out the solution to all my problems anyway; (shell-command "compile.sh") 09:54:17 lewis1711: and it's probably late at night in the US/Canada, where most gambit developers live 09:57:51 Gmind [~Gmind@113.190.172.251] has joined #scheme 10:00:04 femtoo [~femto@95-89-249-94-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 10:01:44 in (define (y x) (+ x x)) is (y x) syntax? (and not a function) 10:03:42 femtooo [~femto@95-89-249-94-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 10:04:44 (define (x y ...) z ...) is syntactic sugar for (define x (lambda (y ...) z...)) 10:05:34 So your example is exactly equivalent to (define y (lambda (x) (+ x x))) 10:05:39 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-249-94-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:08:48 but the (x) in (lambda (x) (+ x x)) is syntax? 10:09:03 n9mtb, thanks for the hint btw :-) 10:09:03 Yes 10:09:17 It's part of the syntax of the lambda form 10:09:22 oke 10:10:03 EVen if the lambda takes no arguments you have to have () there 10:11:25 (lambda ...) is a syntax form. 10:11:37 So is (define ...) 10:12:40 I don't think you can define lambda in terms of anything more primitive in scheme, but i could be wrong :) You can look at it as a function that returns another function though, with its first argument being an automatically quoted list of symbols...) 10:13:30 No -- a function application is not syntax. 10:14:17 well it's also 4am and i'm not thinking too clearly :) 10:15:49 For one thing, the arguments have to be substituted in the body. 10:16:11 [3~ 10:16:16 ~~ 10:17:19 CAFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 10:18:46 What an ejaculation. 10:19:27 Jafet, how to curry? 10:20:45 What do you want to curry? Normally you can just dip it in, but for loose things it's better to ladle over 10:21:34 (define (add x y) (+ x y)) now I want a new function that's (+ 5 y) 10:26:11 (define (add x) (lambda (y) (+ x y))) ? 10:26:45 rapacity, nope, take the above add function and set y 5 and return the new function. 10:27:09 If you had such a currying function, how would you use it? 10:28:43 (define add-5 (curry add (5 y))) probably 10:29:24 ugh, i despise curry sauce. I mean curry with chicken, sure. but curry sauce with chips? ugh 10:29:39 in racket you could do (define add-y (curry add 5)) 10:31:21 rapacity, and if I'd want to curry another argument? 10:32:41 Tasser: y isn't a property of add that is visible outside its definition. 10:32:46 (define (add x y z) (+ x y z)) 10:32:48 (((curry add 5) 10) 20) 10:32:52 would give 35 10:32:59 So you can't really refer to it. 10:33:45 Normally, currying fixes the first argument of any function. 10:34:14 DrDuck [~duck@adsl-81-55-129.hsv.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 10:39:42 -!- X-Scale [email@2001:470:1f14:135b::2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:41:55 you can use cut 10:42:03 from srfi/26 http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-26/srfi-26.html 10:42:32 if you want to target something other than the first argument 10:43:17 bubo [~bubo@178-191-149-29.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #scheme 10:45:49 -!- bubo [~bubo@178-191-149-29.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has left #scheme 10:49:17 -!- Gmind [~Gmind@113.190.172.251] has left #scheme 10:59:19 -!- DrDuck [~duck@adsl-81-55-129.hsv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:07:26 how to do that? (define (foo x) (+ x y) (define y 2)) (define y in the scope of the foo function definition) 11:13:32 masm [~masm@bl16-170-191.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 11:20:12 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:21:08 schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has joined #scheme 11:21:41 -!- qhe [~qhe2@134.134.139.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:23:00 Tasser: (define (foo x) (define y 2) (+ x y)) ;; like this 11:23:03 -!- nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:23:53 or manually (define (foo-y-is-2 x) (foo x 2)) 11:24:03 tupi [~david@186.205.37.15] has joined #scheme 11:30:33 nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-30-144.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 11:30:56 kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-30-144.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 11:31:48 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-30-144.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:54 nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-30-144.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 11:32:48 -!- kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-30-144.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 11:33:32 kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-30-144.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 11:35:07 -!- kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-30-144.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:36:27 Oejet [~oejet@212.45.122.120] has joined #scheme 11:36:31 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-30-144.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:36:38 steshaw [~steshaw@60-240-111-207.tpgi.com.au] has joined #scheme 11:36:52 kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-30-144.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 11:37:13 nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-30-144.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 11:37:37 myu2 [~myu2@v077103.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #scheme 11:38:47 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 11:38:51 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-124.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 11:41:18 -!- kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-30-144.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:41:44 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-30-144.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:42:32 accel [~accel@unaffiliated/accel] has joined #scheme 11:45:10 -!- Oejet [~oejet@212.45.122.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:45:22 Oejet [~oejet@212.45.122.120] has joined #scheme 11:49:57 nilg [~user@77.70.2.229] has joined #scheme 11:54:37 -!- schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:55:12 schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has joined #scheme 11:59:07 -!- Oejet [~oejet@212.45.122.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:59:53 Oejet [~oejet@212.45.122.120] has joined #scheme 12:03:17 is there any scheme implementation that has it's own assembler -- asemberl, not JIT 12:03:23 i.e. so I can write assembly code in scheme 12:03:38 then the scheme interpreter will asemble the code, load it in, and execute it? 12:03:50 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:05:01 huh? 12:05:16 you want a scheme that compiles to native code, rather than uses a vm? 12:05:22 no 12:05:29 I want to be able to write compute intenseive code in scheme too 12:05:42 so I want a function that'll take a scheme list (of assembly instructions) 12:05:45 assembles the function 12:05:49 and then allows me to call into it 12:06:00 I want to dynamically generate code 12:06:18 sounds dangerous:D 12:06:23 but no, I don't 12:07:27 you could maybe jig something with gambit-c scheme, using C with inline assembler 12:11:41 -!- ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:11:53 accel: what is "assembly code"? Could you describe it a little? 12:12:31 some language at the same level of abstraction as gas, nasm, masm, ... 12:12:50 Which language, exactly? 12:13:00 ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has joined #scheme 12:13:35 I don't get what this would accomplish. unless this is for educational purposes. modern C compilers generate pretty good assembler 12:13:48 Every different kind of machine ever made has its own assembly language. So which language do you mean? 12:13:58 accel: Look into 'sassy' (sassy.sf.net) 12:14:41 I don't know if that can dynamically call into it, but you should be able to make that work 12:14:56 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-146-124.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 12:15:40 Well, the most portable assembly so far is C 12:16:43 And there are certainly libraries for assembling and calling into C dynamically 12:22:54 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 12:24:29 -!- Pepe_ [~ppjet@bouah.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:25:14 x86_64 12:25:24 Jafet: what libraries are those? 12:26:13 Pepe_ [~ppjet@bouah.net] has joined #scheme 12:26:24 drwho [~drwho@70-13-234-165.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #scheme 12:29:19 LLVM might be the most prominent one. 12:29:40 Why can't you assemble the code beforehand, using whatever tool that is available? 12:30:17 I want to do it dynamically 12:30:23 I wonder if anyones working on an LLVM scheme. you can compile gambit with it, but it still lacks some flag gcc has so it goes slower, according to the configure message 12:31:26 Of course you want to. I just don't see why you want that 12:37:25 foof: are there plans for supporting delimited continuations natively on chibi? and out of curiosity, is that kind of extension doable with external modules, without modifying the vm? 12:41:06 yes, and not easily 12:41:59 -!- accel [~accel@unaffiliated/accel] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:43:11 -!- masm [~masm@bl16-170-191.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:44:13 -!- Pepe_ [~ppjet@bouah.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:45:14 masm [~masm@bl16-170-191.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 12:45:47 call/cc could actually be written as a loadable primitive easily enough, and you could write a variant which just takes a subsection of the stack, but the resume/cc opcode will reset the whole stack (including points before the subsection you captured) 12:47:08 and resume/cc needs to be an actual opcode since it resets all the vm registers 12:52:27 Pepe_ [~ppjet@bouah.net] has joined #scheme 12:58:34 probably a dumb question because I'm not familiar enough with the internals (or VMs in general), but I'm looking at the CALLCC opcode, and it uses and modifies top and ip, how would you archieve this without it being an opcode? 12:59:40 -!- spacebat [~spacebat@ubermonkey.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:03:19 foreign functions have access to the top (in sexp_context_top), and it doesn't actually need access to the ip 13:06:03 ok, thank you. going back to doing boring stuff in ruby now :) 13:14:17 -!- lewis1711 [~lewis@125-239-255-244.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has left #scheme 13:21:46 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 13:22:29 zevarito [~zevarito@r186-48-195-154.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 13:26:15 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 13:28:17 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-139-154.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:28:17 -!- wbooze 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tizoc: lol, same thing here (about the boring ruby stuff) 13:51:28 oh, what's so boring in Ruby ? 13:53:22 Gmind: that it is used mostly to build uninteresting web stuff, but it pays 13:57:53 what tizoc said exactly 13:58:18 ruby is a fun language but at least in my job we use it to build boring stuff 13:58:32 :P 13:58:37 that's right 13:59:52 all jobs have boring stuff after a while 14:00:09 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-45-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 14:00:17 that mostly don't use your creative part of interest 14:00:34 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-45-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:00:35 pretty much all companies get a technology and exploit it too much time that you become to hate it 14:04:12 -!- Oejet [~oejet@212.45.122.120] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:04:34 -!- Gmind [~Gmind@113.190.172.251] has left #scheme 14:07:19 -!- kanru [~kanru@61-30-10-70.static.tfn.net.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:08:15 Oejet 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have equal elements, numbers are equal if they are =, etc. 14:19:58 ? 14:21:00 equal? does that 14:21:20 And the new equal=? ignore differences in number types too, so that 0.0 is equal to 0 14:21:24 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-139-154.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 14:21:42 "new" means "new in chicken", but IIRC it's also up for discussion for WG1 Scheme 14:21:54 ok 14:21:54 thx 14:22:29 yw 14:28:46 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:34:12 DrDuck [~duck@adsl-81-55-129.hsv.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 14:40:18 alvatar [~alvatar@4.23.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 14:44:06 bitweiler [~bitweiler@adsl-99-58-93-196.dsl.stl2mo.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 14:44:10 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-117-93.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 14:46:31 -!- mmc [~michal@cs27120227.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:57:39 -!- masm [~masm@bl16-170-191.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 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function hang in a loop? (define (z) (z)) 17:35:02 -!- femtooo [~femto@95-89-249-94-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:53:23 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@4.23.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:18 -!- schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59:52 alvatar [~alvatar@4.23.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 18:02:32 rudybot: (define (z) (z)) 18:02:33 carleastlund: Done. 18:02:37 rudybot: (z) 18:02:40 Oejet [~oejet@212.45.122.120] has joined #scheme 18:02:47 carleastlund: error: with-limit: out of time 18:02:58 bitweiler: What do you expect that function to do? 18:06:59 evaluate to itself, which is a recursive loop right 18:12:37 duncanm [~duncan@64.22.124.146] has joined #scheme 18:12:37 la la la 18:13:51 haha 18:15:20 lol. 18:16:22 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:19:09 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@fsf/member/vu3rdd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 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pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:18:22 dualbus [~dualbus@201.170.71.87.dsl.dyn.telnor.net] has joined #scheme 21:19:36 Unthahorsten [~Unthahors@del63-3-88-177-167-25.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 21:23:51 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 21:24:12 bitweiler: Not really, this one is evaluating to itself: (define (self) self) 21:24:29 bitweiler: Yours is more similar to (let loop () (loop)) Welcome to Scheme "Iteration is a particular Recursion" :) 21:25:13 lewis1711 [~lewis@125-239-255-244.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 21:25:18 oh, that i see 21:26:14 how do you r5rs folk deal with the lack of modules? is there some srfi you use, or do you just textually include stuff like some sort of primitive C programmer?;) 21:26:31 (need to sort something out for gambit) 21:26:53 lewis1711: most scheme implementation come with their module system 21:27:01 *implementations 21:30:51 hmm, I see gambit has some 3rd party thing called black hole 21:30:58 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:31:09 I don't know about gambit sorry 21:34:14 lewis1711: For Gambit there is Snowfort: http://www.acooke.org/cute/GettingSta0.html Never use it though... Any experience with it appreciated. 21:38:09 dakeyras [~dakeyras@pool-173-64-149-152.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 21:41:13 s/use/used/ 21:41:46 -!- Unthahorsten [~Unthahors@del63-3-88-177-167-25.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: goodbye] 21:44:26 if only there was some sort of standard somewhere that defined a module system that schemes could implement ;) /troll 21:45:40 -!- zevarito_ [~zevarito@r186-48-195-154.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:05 zevarito [~zevarito@r186-48-195-154.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 21:59:20 -!- zevarito [~zevarito@r186-48-195-154.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:59:23 zevarito_ [~zevarito@r186-48-225-146.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 22:05:21 -!- bweaver [~user@host-68-169-175-225.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:06:25 Azuvix [~Azuvix@71-215-25-216.bois.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 22:08:02 -!- Oejet [~oejet@212.45.122.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:08:32 anyone see this? 22:09:18 here's a bizarre quote: "In Scheme[,] a piece of pgram cannot easily be accessed as a list structure, and eval is not part of the language." 22:09:28 s/pgram/program/ 22:09:56 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 22:10:21 this is in distinction to Lisp, where: "In a traditional Lisp dialect, the list representation of a piece of program can be manipulated . . . via the primitives of the language." 22:10:50 is the author dealing with an RnRS that predates eval, maybe? 22:13:13 -!- langmartin [~user@exeuntcha2.tva.gov] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:13:17 -!- Caleb-- [thedude@bzq-79-182-23-130.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:14:21 klutometis, that cites R*3*RS as the def of scheme 22:14:45 samth: ah, good find! 22:18:35 Oejet [~oejet@212.45.122.120] has joined #scheme 22:23:54 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 22:39:02 -!- Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:41:12 -!- Oejet [~oejet@212.45.122.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:41:19 Oejet [~oejet@212.45.122.120] has joined #scheme 22:41:52 -!- Oejet [~oejet@212.45.122.120] has left #scheme 22:42:57 ryoko-sha [~steve@ryoko-sha.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:43:08 accel [~accel@unaffiliated/accel] has joined #scheme 22:43:13 -!- mmc1 [~michal@cs27120227.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:47:30 -!- zevarito_ [~zevarito@r186-48-225-146.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:45 -!- femtooo [~femto@95-89-249-94-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:49:05 -!- accel [~accel@unaffiliated/accel] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:50:39 -!- aisa [~aisa@173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: aisa] 22:55:15 -!- ryoko-sha [~steve@ryoko-sha.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 23:01:16 -!- DrDuck [~duck@adsl-81-55-129.hsv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:03:51 DrDuck [~duck@adsl-81-55-129.hsv.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 23:07:48 -!- saccade [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:08:54 -!- corruptmemory [~jim@96.246.167.18] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:12:38 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@5e0b815c.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:52 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-117-93.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]