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00:15:58 <jonrafkind> i dont think typed racket handles the class system because the class system is a huge macro, and typed racket doesnt deal with complex macros that well yet
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00:34:48 <bitweiler> hey what is => use for within functions?
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00:37:20 <fds> It's used in an alternative cond syntax, I believe
00:38:04 <fds> rudybot: (cond ('a => (lambda (x) x)))
00:38:04 <rudybot> fds: your sandbox is ready
00:38:04 <rudybot> fds: ; Value: a
00:38:10 <fds> Like that?
00:38:25 <fds> (There may be other uses, I don't know)
00:54:22 <offby1> rudybot: (cond (1 => add1))
00:54:22 <rudybot> *offby1: your scheme sandbox is ready
00:54:22 <rudybot> *offby1: ; Value: 2
00:54:40 <fds> Hm, possibly a clearer example. :-P
00:55:48 <offby1> I like it, anyway
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01:04:02 <Blkt> good night everyone
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01:26:43 <bitweiler> thanks
01:29:35 <bitweiler> that can be handy
01:32:05 <bitweiler> playing with repl is fun...
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02:49:31 <askhader> bitweiler: Ja!
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02:59:01 <foof> Happy Holidays #scheme!
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14:32:45 <Gmind> :O
14:32:46 <Gmind> :D
14:32:54 <Gmind> Chipmunk ?
14:33:01 <Gmind> what a lovely name
14:33:02 <Gmind> =)
14:33:13 <Gmind> yo xmas
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20:43:24 <fds> Merry Christmas Schemers!
20:43:43 *offby1* toasts with a glass of eggnog
20:43:51 <fds> Heh
20:43:56 <fds> <3 offby1
20:44:51 <offby1> rudybot: (string-append "egg" (symbol->string 'nog))
20:44:51 <rudybot> *offby1: ; Value: "eggnog"
20:44:57 *offby1* nods gravely
20:45:10 <rudybot> Ho ho ho, by the way
20:45:18 <fds> :-)
20:45:51 <MindFrog> oO
20:46:04 <MindFrog> (rudybot): (display "Hello world!")
20:46:12 <MindFrog> damn nick comp
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20:47:28 <MindFrog> rudybot: (display "Hello world!")
20:47:28 <rudybot> MindFrog: your sandbox is ready
20:47:28 <rudybot> MindFrog: ; stdout: "Hello world!"
20:47:36 <MindFrog> hmm cool
20:48:04 <MindFrog> rudybot: ((lambda (x) (* x x) 2)
20:48:05 <rudybot> MindFrog: error: eval:1:0: read: expected a `)' to close `('
20:48:13 <MindFrog> ops
20:48:21 <MindFrog> rudybot: ((lambda (x) (* x x)) 2)
20:48:21 <rudybot> MindFrog: ; Value: 4
20:48:57 <fds> We need sexp-aware IRC clients
20:49:12 <fds> Maybe a paredit.pl for irssi is in order ;-)
20:49:52 <MindFrog> lol
20:50:13 <rudybot> Mind The Gap
20:53:16 -!- MindFrog is now known as Fill
20:53:45 <klutometis> hey, so my wife says to me: "i feel like it may be kind of causey-effecty."
20:54:13 <klutometis> how do you begin to parse and understand that semantic unit? is there a parallel universe i'm not aware of?
20:56:40 <Fill> ?
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21:15:53 <offby1> !
21:16:12 <offby1> "I feel that this thing A may actually be causing this other thing B, despite appearances".
21:16:18 <offby1> Next question
21:16:46 <offby1> perhaps you should have incubot intermediate your marital discussions.
21:16:54 <offby1> rudybot: have you any marital advice for klutometis ?
21:16:54 <rudybot> *offby1: perhaps you should have incubot intermediate your marital discussions.
21:16:58 <offby1> I see.
21:18:02 <klutometis> offby1: that's interesting; i thought it implied that there may be a fuzzy cause-effect relationship (distinct from indirect causation) that i wasn't aware of.
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21:19:23 <offby1> klutometis: does incubot have the same problem, whereby "he" echoes something that was just said?
21:19:31 <offby1> incubot: why don't you handle that question yourself
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21:19:34 <incubot> I'm reading an article and there was this Flash vid ad that said "Free yourself from RISC" and it had legacy migration claptrap from the Biumvirate of Belligerence
21:19:43 <klutometis> and i suffered a temporary existential crisis at the indeterminacy of the universe.
21:19:59 <rudybot> incubot: are you afraid to converse with other bots?
21:20:02 <incubot> you would be better off asking what the rationale for the converse is.
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21:20:17 <klutometis> offby1: if the logs are updated in real time; not sure if the daemon is running.
21:20:45 <offby1> my logging is embarrassingly bad
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21:21:27 <klutometis> by the way, this sort of language marketing seems to excite the language-hipsters to quasi-orgasm: <http://reia-lang.org/>.
21:21:46 <klutometis> would scheme be served by something similar; or is the target audience wrong?
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21:22:07 <offby1> .oO("The amazing power of blocks"?)
21:23:43 <klutometis> heh; exactly.
21:24:25 <offby1> those who cannot remember Lisp are condemned to reinvent it
21:25:10 <klutometis> reinvent it poorly, i might add; and with weak analogies.
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21:51:02 <sloyd> klutometis: Kafka the Cat?! Will he tell us how one day Lisp woke up to find himself changed into a horrible vermin?
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23:15:44 <elliott> Can a valid program consist of only DEFINE forms?
23:15:55 <elliott> A BEGIN or LAMBDA form with only DEFINEs is not valid, but I am not sure if this applies to entire programs or not.
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23:23:26 <z0d> (define x 4)
23:23:29 <z0d> is perfectly valid
23:23:38 <z0d> rudybot: eval (define x 4)
23:23:39 <rudybot> z0d: your sandbox is ready
23:23:39 <rudybot> z0d: Done.
23:24:09 <z0d> but what's the point if you don't call your function or use your variables
23:24:11 <elliott> z0d: It is? As a complete program? Okay. Since (begin (define x 4)) is incorrect, then, the program (begin ...) is not always the same as the program ....
23:24:20 <elliott> I'm speaking from a purely theoretical POV here.
23:24:54 <z0d> rudybot: (begin (define x 4))
23:24:55 <rudybot> z0d: Done.
23:25:28 <elliott> Oh. So it is. :)
23:25:36 <elliott> Well, ((lambda () ...)) isn't the same as the program ..., then.
23:25:47 <elliott> > ((lambda () (define x 4)))
23:25:48 <elliott> Warning: ill-formed definition
23:25:48 <elliott>          (define x 4)
23:25:48 <elliott>          (&syntax-error)
23:25:48 <elliott> 'syntax-error
23:25:53 <elliott> And that's R5RS, I believe.
23:27:13 <Fill> why don't you use let?
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23:28:18 <elliott> Fill: Purely theoretical, as I said.
23:28:51 <Fill> hm
23:29:12 <Fill> rudybot: (lambda () "blah")
23:29:12 <rudybot> Fill: your sandbox is ready
23:29:13 <rudybot> Fill: ; Value: #<procedure>
23:29:26 <Fill> rudybot: ((lambda () "blah"))
23:29:26 <rudybot> Fill: ; Value: "blah"
23:29:33 <Fill> rudybot: "blah"
23:29:33 <rudybot> Fill: ; Value: "blah"
23:29:44 <Fill> it does seem to be the same program
23:30:15 <elliott> Fill: But observe:
23:30:18 <elliott> rubybot: (define x 4)
23:30:27 <elliott> rubybot: ((lambda () (define x 4)))
23:30:30 <elliott> erm.
23:30:31 <elliott> typo.
23:30:34 <elliott> rudybot: (define x 4)
23:30:34 <rudybot> elliott: your sandbox is ready
23:30:34 <rudybot> elliott: Done.
23:30:36 <elliott> rudybot: ((lambda () (define x 4)))
23:30:37 <rudybot> elliott: error: eval:1:1: begin (possibly implicit): no expression after a sequence of internal definitions in: ((define x 4))
23:30:39 <elliott> Fill: See?
23:31:15 <Fill> yes
23:31:17 <Fill> weird
23:31:39 <elliott> Fill: Not really; it's R5RS.
23:31:39 <Fill> rudybot: ((lambda () (let ((x 4)))))
23:31:39 <rudybot> Fill: error: eval:1:12: let: bad syntax in: (let ((x 4)))
23:31:54 <elliott> Initial DEFINEs in a LAMBDA body are basically just syntactic sugar for nested LETs.
23:32:01 <elliott> Well, LETRECs.
23:32:10 <elliott> Or, rather, one LETREC with a bunch of bindings, but anyway.
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